Here I am standing in the vegetable garden. I have lost tons of labels and
I have enormous brassica plants on one hand but my present problem is the
peas.
I know I planted both the mangetout type and the ordinary I think called
"early onward". Now there are peas everywhere including sweet peas I
grew on the cage. Is there any way of telling which are mange tout and
which are real peas. I can't imagine it would be poisonous were we to eat
the pods of ordinary peas(?) but I don;t want to deprive the family of the
other sort either. What a mess...I haven't done the vegetable garden
before as my responsibility, and the vegetables I choose to grow my
husband has never grown to give his advice!! He always grew conventional
veg, I've got lots of stir fry etc
I'd be very grateful of anyone can tell me which is which. Thanks W
*************************

"Welsh Witch" wrote in message
news
Here I am standing in the vegetable garden. I have lost tons of labels and
I have enormous brassica plants on one hand but my present problem is the
peas.
I know I planted both the mangetout type and the ordinary I think called
"early onward". Now there are peas everywhere including sweet peas I
grew on the cage. Is there any way of telling which are mange tout and
which are real peas. I can't imagine it would be poisonous were we to eat
the pods of ordinary peas(?) but I don;t want to deprive the family of the
other sort either. What a mess...I haven't done the vegetable garden
before as my responsibility, and the vegetables I choose to grow my
husband has never grown to give his advice!! He always grew conventional
veg, I've got lots of stir fry etc
I'd be very grateful of anyone can tell me which is which. Thanks W
*************************

Sweet peas, the flowery smelly ones, have very small seed pods and are
poisonous.
Mangetout pods are quite flat and have smaller peas than the ordinary peas
which are quite fat and almost cylindrical.
You can eat the pods of both varieties.
Perhaps someone else can tell you how to distinguish the three just by the
leaf pattern/growth habit.

"Welsh Witch" wrote in message
news
Here I am standing in the vegetable garden. I have lost tons of labels and
I have enormous brassica plants on one hand but my present problem is the
peas.
I know I planted both the mangetout type and the ordinary I think called
"early onward". Now there are peas everywhere including sweet peas I
grew on the cage. Is there any way of telling which are mange tout and
which are real peas. I can't imagine it would be poisonous were we to eat
the pods of ordinary peas(?) but I don;t want to deprive the family of the
other sort either. What a mess...I haven't done the vegetable garden
before as my responsibility, and the vegetables I choose to grow my
husband has never grown to give his advice!! He always grew conventional
veg, I've got lots of stir fry etc
I'd be very grateful of anyone can tell me which is which. Thanks W
*************************

I know it's a bit late now for this year, but for future reference, you have
the ideal tool to avoid this happening again. It's called a computer. I have
made an excel document, and as a page of it has approximately the same
proportions as my allotment, I use the rows and cells to record what I plant
and sow where, print it out, take it to the allotment, write in what I
add/remove, and update it when I get home. Easy.

HTH

Steve

On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 10:15:36 +0100, shazzbat wrote:


"Welsh Witch" wrote in message
news
Here I am standing in the vegetable garden. I have lost tons of labels and
I have enormous brassica plants on one hand but my present problem is the
peas.
I know I planted both the mangetout type and the ordinary I think called
"early onward". Now there are peas everywhere including sweet peas I
grew on the cage. Is there any way of telling which are mange tout and
which are real peas. I can't imagine it would be poisonous were we to eat
the pods of ordinary peas(?) but I don;t want to deprive the family of the
other sort either. What a mess...I haven't done the vegetable garden
before as my responsibility, and the vegetables I choose to grow my
husband has never grown to give his advice!! He always grew conventional
veg, I've got lots of stir fry etc
I'd be very grateful of anyone can tell me which is which. Thanks W
*************************

I know it's a bit late now for this year, but for future reference, you have
the ideal tool to avoid this happening again. It's called a computer. I have
made an excel document, and as a page of it has approximately the same
proportions as my allotment, I use the rows and cells to record what I plant
and sow where, print it out, take it to the allotment, write in what I
add/remove, and update it when I get home. Easy.

HTH

Steve
************************************
Thank you both so much... That's a good idea re the planning document. I
have taken various photos but by then...I had forgotten.
I had a super labeller that punched out the letters made by Brother, but
when I ran out of tape there was no replacement tape so that's in the bin!
Vegetables seems so much more complicated a job than flowers which I'm
very used to. You seem to have to indulge in marathon eating time.
I am going to freeze lots of things..Next to the problem of the melons on
which there are loads of flowers I think I'll shut my eyes for a while:-(
Thanks again
************************************

"shazzbat" wrote in message
...

"Welsh Witch" wrote in message
news
Here I am standing in the vegetable garden. I have lost tons of labels
and
I have enormous brassica plants on one hand but my present problem is the
peas.
I know I planted both the mangetout type and the ordinary I think called
"early onward". Now there are peas everywhere including sweet peas I
grew on the cage. Is there any way of telling which are mange tout and
which are real peas. I can't imagine it would be poisonous were we to eat
the pods of ordinary peas(?) but I don;t want to deprive the family of
the
other sort either. What a mess...I haven't done the vegetable garden
before as my responsibility, and the vegetables I choose to grow my
husband has never grown to give his advice!! He always grew conventional
veg, I've got lots of stir fry etc
I'd be very grateful of anyone can tell me which is which. Thanks W
*************************

I know it's a bit late now for this year, but for future reference, you
have the ideal tool to avoid this happening again. It's called a computer.
I have made an excel document, and as a page of it has approximately the
same proportions as my allotment, I use the rows and cells to record what
I plant and sow where, print it out, take it to the allotment, write in
what I add/remove, and update it when I get home. Easy.

HTH

Steve
Sweet Peas are poisonous indeed- the plants are easily recognised with flat
ribs(?) along the sides of the growing stems. The sed pods are thin with
pointed ends. In any event you should be able to recognise the flowers
before they seed.
Ordinary peas develope an inedible parchment in the pods before the peas
have grown to any extent.
Pick a pod from uncertain peas and chew it. If it masticates down it is
mangetout, if it feels like cardboard or fibre glass, it is a standard pea.
mangetout fill out reasonably well if you leave them on the plant.
regards
David T

"Welsh Witch" wrote in message
news
*************************


I had a super labeller that punched out the letters made by Brother, but
when I ran out of tape there was no replacement tape so that's in the bin!
Vegetables seems so much more complicated a job than flowers which I'm
very used to.

Too late for you now but I've just come in from marking some plants, lilies
as it happens but I'll use the same system on veg from now on.

I cut some strips of white plastic from yogurt pots and wrote the
information in CD writers (Spouse got them very cheaply from Lidl yeterday).
Then with a paper punch I made a hole towards one end of the strip, threaded
a plant tie through the hole and attached it to the stem. So easy!

This could be done at planting out time or, if outdoor sown, when the plants
are big enough and before the markers which of course you put at least at
the end of each row have worked their way out of the soil.

You seem to have to indulge in marathon eating time.

Yes, it's wonderful!

I am going to freeze lots of things..

I prefer to eat as many veggies as possible when they're cut, dug or picked
from the garden. Freezing is a last resort and I do like to have seasonal
veg so grow things for year round harvesting. Our little garden won't supply
all our needs, we're greedy about veg, but it's the best we can do. We
really don't like frozen runner beans but love them fresh so we have them
day after day when they're ready and never bore of them, after all, they
have such a short season and we don't buy them.

A lot of the ground this year is given over to tomatoes, I wish I'd marked
those plants because there are at least seven different types. It would be
useful to know which are the best for what we want. And they will freeze
perfectly well for use in cooking.

The computer solution, for me, would be a no-no. I couldn't remember the
details between garden and pc and it does sound complicated. I try to record
things in a book but that's not perfect either.

I'm only human :-(

Mary

Mary Fisher wrote:
"Welsh Witch" wrote in message
news
*************************


I had a super labeller that punched out the letters made by Brother, but
when I ran out of tape there was no replacement tape so that's in the bin!
Vegetables seems so much more complicated a job than flowers which I'm
very used to.

Too late for you now but I've just come in from marking some plants, lilies
as it happens but I'll use the same system on veg from now on.

I cut some strips of white plastic from yogurt pots and wrote the
information in CD writers (Spouse got them very cheaply from Lidl yeterday).
Then with a paper punch I made a hole towards one end of the strip, threaded
a plant tie through the hole and attached it to the stem. So easy!
[...]

Could you let us know later on if the CD marker fades, please? I found
fading with ordinary permanent felt markers, and changed to
old-fashioned chinagraph, which seems to last longer than the plastic
itself. For some things I made extra-long labels and wrote on both ends
so that the buried end was protected from light.

--
Mike.

On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:33:00 +0100, david taylor wrote:


"shazzbat" wrote in message
...

"Welsh Witch" wrote in message
news
Here I am standing in the vegetable garden. I have lost tons of labels
and
I have enormous brassica plants on one hand but my present problem is
the peas.
I know I planted both the mangetout type and the ordinary I think
called "early onward". Now there are peas everywhere including sweet
peas I grew on the cage. Is there any way of telling which are mange
tout and which are real peas. I can't imagine it would be poisonous
were we to eat the pods of ordinary peas(?) but I don;t want to
deprive the family of the
other sort either. What a mess...I haven't done the vegetable garden
before as my responsibility, and the vegetables I choose to grow my
husband has never grown to give his advice!! He always grew
conventional veg, I've got lots of stir fry etc
I'd be very grateful of anyone can tell me which is which. Thanks W
*************************

I know it's a bit late now for this year, but for future reference, you
have the ideal tool to avoid this happening again. It's called a
computer. I have made an excel document, and as a page of it has
approximately the same proportions as my allotment, I use the rows and
cells to record what I plant and sow where, print it out, take it to
the allotment, write in what I add/remove, and update it when I get
home. Easy.

HTH

Steve
Sweet Peas are poisonous indeed- the plants are easily recognised with
flat ribs(?) along the sides of the growing stems. The sed pods are thin
with pointed ends. In any event you should be able to recognise the
flowers before they seed.
Ordinary peas develope an inedible parchment in the pods before the peas
have grown to any extent.
Pick a pod from uncertain peas and chew it. If it masticates down it is
mangetout, if it feels like cardboard or fibre glass, it is a standard
pea. mangetout fill out reasonably well if you leave them on the plant.
regards
David T
****************************
Ah!! Thanks I did eat one which tasted OK and certainly didn;t have a
cardboard or fibregalss feel....Good..I gues they're mange tout then!!
***********************************

said...
Here I am standing in the vegetable garden. I have lost tons of labels and
I have enormous brassica plants on one hand but my present problem is the
peas.
I know I planted both the mangetout type and the ordinary I think called
"early onward". Now there are peas everywhere including sweet peas I
grew on the cage. Is there any way of telling which are mange tout and
which are real peas. I can't imagine it would be poisonous were we to eat
the pods of ordinary peas(?) but I don;t want to deprive the family of the
other sort either. What a mess...I haven't done the vegetable garden
before as my responsibility, and the vegetables I choose to grow my
husband has never grown to give his advice!! He always grew conventional
veg, I've got lots of stir fry etc
I'd be very grateful of anyone can tell me which is which. Thanks W
*************************

As long as you don't eat the sweet peas you'll be fine. Half the fun of
having fresh garden peas is shelling them and seeing if any survive long
enough to make it to the pan :-)

--
To reply see 'from' in headers; lose the domain, and insert dots and @
where common sense dictates.

On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:46:13 +0100, Mary Fisher wrote:


"Welsh Witch" wrote in message
news
*************************


I had a super labeller that punched out the letters made by Brother,
but when I ran out of tape there was no replacement tape so that's in
the bin! Vegetables seems so much more complicated a job than flowers
which I'm very used to.

Too late for you now but I've just come in from marking some plants,
lilies as it happens but I'll use the same system on veg from now on.

I cut some strips of white plastic from yogurt pots and wrote the
information in CD writers (Spouse got them very cheaply from Lidl
yeterday). Then with a paper punch I made a hole towards one end of the
strip, threaded a plant tie through the hole and attached it to the
stem. So easy!

This could be done at planting out time or, if outdoor sown, when the
plants are big enough and before the markers which of course you put at
least at the end of each row have worked their way out of the soil.

You seem to have to indulge in marathon eating time.

Yes, it's wonderful!

I am going to freeze lots of things..

I prefer to eat as many veggies as possible when they're cut, dug or
picked from the garden. Freezing is a last resort and I do like to have
seasonal veg so grow things for year round harvesting. Our little garden
won't supply all our needs, we're greedy about veg, but it's the best we
can do. We really don't like frozen runner beans but love them fresh so
we have them day after day when they're ready and never bore of them,
after all, they have such a short season and we don't buy them.

A lot of the ground this year is given over to tomatoes, I wish I'd
marked those plants because there are at least seven different types. It
would be useful to know which are the best for what we want. And they
will freeze perfectly well for use in cooking.

The computer solution, for me, would be a no-no. I couldn't remember the
details between garden and pc and it does sound complicated. I try to
record things in a book but that's not perfect either.

I'm only human :-(

Mary
*****************************
I w trying to work out where I've heard the name Mary Fisher before, and
now I remember that superb Fay Weldon series "Life and loves of a She
Devil"
Good! That made me smile..we did enjoy that!
You are greedy you say with vegetables. I think we are too but we'd have
to go some to eat all being grown here.We do go over the top a bit1

As we decided to do the vegetable garden we thought we might as well make
a "thing" of it, borrowed a turf cutter rather than use poison and took up
more long narrow pieces of the lawn. Now they're full of everything we
can think of. The moles like them too we're not amused:-)

I think we were enthused by the programme "Its not easy going green"I
understand they now have a website..I shall look for it later. We got
very interested in wind and solar power; for some reason I find it wildly
exciting drawing electricity from such sources!

We went up to see a friend of ours who lives on a mountain
http://www.policedogsrus.co.uk
He's got several wind turbines and said he hasn't needed to switch on the
generator for ages and is wallowing in his free power...but he does turn
off his TV and not leave it on standby.

We've dug out a reservoir because the met. office told us we were to
expect a drought. It is the wettest drought we've ever seen so far, but
maybe it will eventually turn into an ice rink.

I did grow some things over winter. I put onions in on November 20th and
also peas (in the greenhouse). The onions are ready now. They are so
beautiful and jewel like its a crying shame to eat them..

In November or thereabouts I ordered garlic from the people in the Isle of
Wight. I didn;t think they would grow because in the spring I put in
local bought garlic, came from Holland I think, which remained miserable.
But the garlic from the IOW is now ready that too is so glorious. We've
been terribly vile and eaten it raw. The shallots we bought from the iOW,
I think said to be used by Raymond Le Blanc, are too mild for us.

The year before last we bought a trolley full of strawberries £10 the lot!
I didn't think there could be a reason for it. They were called Royal
Gala. We have given them every possible consideration and they are bitter
and horrible...Never mind the German Shepherds dogs like them...they can
pick them all and eat them,!
Oh dear rambling again. Thankyou to everyone for the tips
********************************

"Mike Lyle" wrote in message
oups.com...


I cut some strips of white plastic from yogurt pots and wrote the
information in CD writers (Spouse got them very cheaply from Lidl
yeterday).
Then with a paper punch I made a hole towards one end of the strip,
threaded
a plant tie through the hole and attached it to the stem. So easy!
[...]

Could you let us know later on if the CD marker fades, please?

LOL! If I remember :-)

I found
fading with ordinary permanent felt markers,

Oh, I didn't find that but they were expensive and we use them for other
applications - that's why I used the cheap CD ones.

and changed to
old-fashioned chinagraph, which seems to last longer than the plastic
itself. For some things I made extra-long labels and wrote on both ends
so that the buried end was protected from light.

My problem with buried ones is that they tend to migrate :-(

Mary

--
Mike.

"Welsh Witch" wrote in message
news
*****************************
I w trying to work out where I've heard the name Mary Fisher before, and
now I remember that superb Fay Weldon series "Life and loves of a She
Devil"
Good! That made me smile..we did enjoy that!

I think it might have also been from uba ...

As we decided to do the vegetable garden we thought we might as well make
a "thing" of it, borrowed a turf cutter rather than use poison and took up
more long narrow pieces of the lawn. Now they're full of everything we
can think of. The moles like them too we're not amused:-)

I suspect your garden is bigger than ours.

I think we were enthused by the programme "Its not easy going green"I
understand they now have a website..I shall look for it later. We got
very interested in wind and solar power; for some reason I find it wildly
exciting drawing electricity from such sources!

So do I but for various reasons wind and pv aren't appropriate for us.
However, in January we installed a solar water heater and have hardly used
any gas or electricity for heating water since (except for the kettle). It's
wonderful!

We went up to see a friend of ours who lives on a mountain
http://www.policedogsrus.co.uk
He's got several wind turbines and said he hasn't needed to switch on the
generator for ages and is wallowing in his free power...but he does turn
off his TV and not leave it on standby.

We don't even have a TV but we're very careful about power usage. And water.

We've dug out a reservoir because the met. office told us we were to
expect a drought. It is the wettest drought we've ever seen so far, but
maybe it will eventually turn into an ice rink.

:-)

I did grow some things over winter. I put onions in on November 20th and
also peas (in the greenhouse). The onions are ready now. They are so
beautiful and jewel like its a crying shame to eat them..

I dug some potatoes last night, they're like pearls in the ground ... we'll
have them this evening though. I boiled them and anointed them with (home
made) mayonnaise. Drool ...

In November or thereabouts I ordered garlic from the people in the Isle of
Wight. I didn;t think they would grow because in the spring I put in
local bought garlic, came from Holland I think, which remained miserable.
But the garlic from the IOW is now ready that too is so glorious. We've
been terribly vile and eaten it raw.

Best way!

The year before last we bought a trolley full of strawberries £10 the
lot!
I didn't think there could be a reason for it. They were called Royal
Gala. We have given them every possible consideration and they are bitter
and horrible...Never mind the German Shepherds dogs like them...they can
pick them all and eat them,!

LOL!

Oh dear rambling again.

Yes, me too, apologies to anyone who's read as far as this, please don't
flame us ...

Mary

"Sena" wrote in message
t...
said...
Here I am standing in the vegetable garden. I have lost tons of labels
and
I have enormous brassica plants on one hand but my present problem is the
peas.
I know I planted both the mangetout type and the ordinary I think called
"early onward". Now there are peas everywhere including sweet peas I
grew on the cage. Is there any way of telling which are mange tout and
which are real peas. I can't imagine it would be poisonous were we to eat
the pods of ordinary peas(?) but I don;t want to deprive the family of
the
other sort either. What a mess...I haven't done the vegetable garden
before as my responsibility, and the vegetables I choose to grow my
husband has never grown to give his advice!! He always grew conventional
veg, I've got lots of stir fry etc
I'd be very grateful of anyone can tell me which is which. Thanks W
*************************

As long as you don't eat the sweet peas you'll be fine. Half the fun of
having fresh garden peas is shelling them and seeing if any survive long
enough to make it to the pan :-)

None I have ever grown have made it to the kitchen!(:-)

Alan


--
To reply see 'from' in headers; lose the domain, and insert dots and @
where common sense dictates.

On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 16:44:58 +0000, Alan Holmes wrote:


"Sena" wrote in message
t...
said...
Here I am standing in the vegetable garden. I have lost tons of labels
and
I have enormous brassica plants on one hand but my present problem is
the peas.
I know I planted both the mangetout type and the ordinary I think
called "early onward". Now there are peas everywhere including sweet
peas I grew on the cage. Is there any way of telling which are mange
tout and which are real peas. I can't imagine it would be poisonous
were we to eat the pods of ordinary peas(?) but I don;t want to
deprive the family of the
other sort either. What a mess...I haven't done the vegetable garden
before as my responsibility, and the vegetables I choose to grow my
husband has never grown to give his advice!! He always grew
conventional veg, I've got lots of stir fry etc
I'd be very grateful of anyone can tell me which is which. Thanks W
*************************

As long as you don't eat the sweet peas you'll be fine. Half the fun
of having fresh garden peas is shelling them and seeing if any survive
long enough to make it to the pan :-)

None I have ever grown have made it to the kitchen!(:-)

Alan
************************************************
In the year before he Rooneyed his knee :-) my husband said.."I'm not
putting in any more peas you only eat them!! Yeah right :-)
******************************************

"Mike Lyle" wrote in message
oups.com...
Could you let us know later on if the CD marker fades, please? I found
fading with ordinary permanent felt markers, and changed to
old-fashioned chinagraph, which seems to last longer than the plastic
itself. For some things I made extra-long labels and wrote on both ends
so that the buried end was protected from light.


The CD markers I used last year have lasted well with no fading. I don't
tend to use standard CD markers though - I use permanent OHP markers. Often
CD markers don't have a fine enough tip, or the tip splays. OHP ones tend
to give a cleaner edge.

The one problem with them not fading is you can't re-use the labels (ok you
can use the other side, but you know what I mean). I tend to be too much in
a hurry to gather up the old ones en masse and clean them off with some
alcohol.