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UK drought - end in sight
"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message ... "Stan The Man" wrote in message Fortunately, the advance of water metering presents the water compnaies with a dichotomy. If we are brainwashed into using less water, the water industry gets less revenue from metered properties. Fokestone & Dover water company, which lifted its hosepipe ban this month, has a vested interest in doing so because it announced earlier this year that all its customers would be compulsorily metered. I'm seeking clarification here. Aren't water metres (and thus payment for water) a standard thing in all city locations No. Mad, isn't it! or are they just being introduced across the UK? They've been available for households for quite a few years but there's a lobby which opposes them - no idea why. More people are having them installed though as they see savings in their bills. It's a pity it had to have a financial side but that's the most important part of life for many people :-( Many businesses (perhaps all, I don't know) have to have them. Mary |
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UK drought - end in sight
"JennyC" wrote in message ... "Stan The Man" wrote snip We may also expect to see an adaptation of the Australian hosepipe laws whereby hose use is restricted only at certain times of the day or on certain days of the week. Europe has been hit too. France imposed hosepipe bans last year as well, but I think it was allowed to water ones veggies. Food still comes first in France :~)) Jenny We didn't have a hosepipe ban but I didn't use any tap water for the garden and everything was very well watered. We have butts. Food is important to the Fishers too - and according to a grandson who lives in France most French people aren't so interested in good food anyway, they have as many fast food shops as there are here. Mary |
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UK drought - end in sight
"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
. net... They've been available for households for quite a few years but there's a lobby which opposes them - no idea why. More people are having them installed though as they see savings in their bills. It's a pity it had to have a financial side but that's the most important part of life for many people :-( Many businesses (perhaps all, I don't know) have to have them. Mary Young couple who are out all day are finding them far cheaper than on the old Rates system One of my daughters, because of the value of her house, was paying a fortune for having an empty house all day and thus not using the water. Water meter installed and hey presto much reduced bills :-)) mike |
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UK drought - end in sight
"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message ... "Stan The Man" wrote in message Fortunately, the advance of water metering presents the water compnaies with a dichotomy. If we are brainwashed into using less water, the water industry gets less revenue from metered properties. Fokestone & Dover water company, which lifted its hosepipe ban this month, has a vested interest in doing so because it announced earlier this year that all its customers would be compulsorily metered. I'm seeking clarification here. Aren't water metres (and thus payment for water) a standard thing in all city locations or are they just being introduced across the UK? Domestic water used always to be paid for as a fixed annual fee related to the value of your property. This is being replaced by water meters where you pay for the amount of water you actually use. Obviously the latter is a firer system and ought to be widely used, but some of the water companies comprehensively buggered the process by using the installation of meters to hike the prices. Thus my Father who has an expensive house because of the sea view but with a small garden which he does not water and a preference for showers over baths found he was paying significantly more for water with a meter than he was for a water rate even though his rates were high and his water usage is low. I presume Essex water has no feet left to shoot itself in :-( Gill M |
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UK drought - end in sight
"JennyC" wrote in message ... "Stan The Man" wrote The Isle of Wight provides an interesting test area. When they first introduced compulsory meeting, water consumption per household dropped by around 10% on average - but this figure has gone down every year since so that today, average consumption is only approx 1% less than it was before metering was imposed. That could mean that we have more money and are prepared to spend it on water; or it could mean that the metered water bills were not as scary as folk had feared; or it could mean that everyone is now accustomed to using less water. Maybe it's too cheap? .........households pay 1.2 pence per cubic meter (Telegraph June 2006) http://www.ofwat.gov.uk/aptrix/ofwat...ndyoumarch2000 says: Watering a garden: Assuming a hosepipe for one hour uses approximately 540 litres of water: 70p Those figures do not work. A cu metre of water = 1000 litres. At 1.2p/cu m, 540 litres would cost 6.48p Steve |
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UK drought - end in sight
Farm1 writes
"Stan The Man" wrote in message Fortunately, the advance of water metering presents the water compnaies with a dichotomy. If we are brainwashed into using less water, the water industry gets less revenue from metered properties. Fokestone & Dover water company, which lifted its hosepipe ban this month, has a vested interest in doing so because it announced earlier this year that all its customers would be compulsorily metered. I'm seeking clarification here. Aren't water metres (and thus payment for water) a standard thing in all city locations or are they just being introduced across the UK? Payment for water is standard but not water meters -- Kay |
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UK drought - end in sight
"Mary Fisher" wrote in message . net... "JennyC" wrote in message ... "Stan The Man" wrote snip We may also expect to see an adaptation of the Australian hosepipe laws whereby hose use is restricted only at certain times of the day or on certain days of the week. Europe has been hit too. France imposed hosepipe bans last year as well, but I think it was allowed to water ones veggies. Food still comes first in France :~)) Jenny We didn't have a hosepipe ban but I didn't use any tap water for the garden and everything was very well watered. We have butts. Food is important to the Fishers too - and according to a grandson who lives in France most French people aren't so interested in good food anyway, they have as many fast food shops as there are here. Mary I suppose it depends whereabouts you are in France. Rural areas seem not to have too many Mac.D's :~)) Jenny |
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UK drought - end in sight
In article , "shazzbat" writes: | "JennyC" wrote in message | ... | | Maybe it's too cheap? | .........households pay 1.2 pence per cubic meter (Telegraph June 2006) | | http://www.ofwat.gov.uk/aptrix/ofwat...ndyoumarch2000 | says: | | Watering a garden: Assuming a hosepipe for one hour uses approximately 540 | litres of water: 70p | | Those figures do not work. A cu metre of water = 1000 litres. | At 1.2p/cu m, 540 litres would cost 6.48p Really? Try again. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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UK drought - end in sight
"Martin" wrote in message ... On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 14:54:56 +0100, "Mary Fisher" wrote: snip French people aren't so interested in good food anyway, they have as many fast food shops as there are here. The French have a lot more good restaurants with reasonable prices. Martin Yeah :~)) I am dieting in anticipation :~) Jenny |
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UK drought - end in sight
Nick Maclaren wrote:
In article , "shazzbat" writes: "JennyC" wrote in message ... Maybe it's too cheap? .........households pay 1.2 pence per cubic meter (Telegraph June 2006) http://www.ofwat.gov.uk/aptrix/ofwat...ndyoumarch2000 says: Watering a garden: Assuming a hosepipe for one hour uses approximately 540 litres of water: 70p Those figures do not work. A cu metre of water = 1000 litres. At 1.2p/cu m, 540 litres would cost 6.48p Really? Try again. This is great. It's getting cheaper all the time! |
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UK drought - end in sight
"shazzbat" wrote in message ... "JennyC" wrote in message ... "Stan The Man" wrote The Isle of Wight provides an interesting test area. When they first introduced compulsory meeting, water consumption per household dropped by around 10% on average - but this figure has gone down every year since so that today, average consumption is only approx 1% less than it was before metering was imposed. That could mean that we have more money and are prepared to spend it on water; or it could mean that the metered water bills were not as scary as folk had feared; or it could mean that everyone is now accustomed to using less water. Maybe it's too cheap? .........households pay 1.2 pence per cubic meter (Telegraph June 2006) http://www.ofwat.gov.uk/aptrix/ofwat...ndyoumarch2000 says: Watering a garden: Assuming a hosepipe for one hour uses approximately 540 litres of water: 70p Those figures do not work. A cu metre of water = 1000 litres. At 1.2p/cu m, 540 litres would cost 6.48p Steve I know. info from two different sites........just making sure you were not napping after Sunday lunch :~) Jenny |
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UK drought - end in sight
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, Farm1 please@askifyouwannaknow wrote: "Stan The Man" wrote in message Fortunately, the advance of water metering presents the water compnaies with a dichotomy. If we are brainwashed into using less water, the water industry gets less revenue from metered properties. Fokestone & Dover water company, which lifted its hosepipe ban this month, has a vested interest in doing so because it announced earlier this year that all its customers would be compulsorily metered. I'm seeking clarification here. Aren't water metres (and thus payment for water) a standard thing in all city locations or are they just being introduced across the UK? Only a couple of small areas in the UK currently are compulsorily metered - the Isle of Wight and (in process) Folkestone & Dover water supply area. Domestic properties, that is - all industrial/commercial properties are metered. In other areas, anyone can opt to have a meter installed - or the local water authority can unilaterally install one when a property changes ownership. All new build homes are metered. OFWAT says that 28% of UK homes were metered in 2005/6 and forecast that this would rise to 30% in 2007. The Govt wants everyone to be metered but is shying away from legislation to enforce it. |
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UK drought - end in sight
In article , Mary
Fisher wrote: "Stan The Man" wrote in message ... Try this: the Govt needs to force us to use less water, whether it rains or not. They want us to continue to use less water, whether it rains or not. Hosepipe bans are the only way they know to make this happen. So the Govt wants the bans to remain in place for as long as possible. At the very least, they want the perception of water shortage to continue for as long as possible. Hence they won't publicise the lifting of hosepipe bans - and they force the water companies to do the same (albeit they are required by law to at least put a small display ad in the local paper to say that the ban is lifted). Why do you think all this? I don't think it, I know it. I have had numerous discussions directly with Defra, the Environment Agency and the water compnaies in the south-east. They all admit privately that hosepipe bans are a sham - nothing more than a publicity device. And that all current hosepipe bans have been illegally enforced because the legislation requires that the only justification for such bans is a shortage of rainfall. Water company pipe leaks and over-development of the south-east are not acceptable by law as reasons to impose water restrictions. If you have a few days, I can list any number of documents by way of evidence to prove that the Environment Agency is manipulating the rainfall figures, misrepresenting the cause and benefits of hosepipe bans and leveraging the water companies to their own political ends. |
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UK drought - end in sight
"Stan The Man" wrote in message ... In article , Mary Fisher wrote: "Stan The Man" wrote in message ... Try this: the Govt needs to force us to use less water, whether it rains or not. They want us to continue to use less water, whether it rains or not. Hosepipe bans are the only way they know to make this happen. So the Govt wants the bans to remain in place for as long as possible. At the very least, they want the perception of water shortage to continue for as long as possible. Hence they won't publicise the lifting of hosepipe bans - and they force the water companies to do the same (albeit they are required by law to at least put a small display ad in the local paper to say that the ban is lifted). Why do you think all this? I don't think it, I know it. I have had numerous discussions directly with Defra, the Environment Agency and the water compnaies in the south-east. They all admit privately that hosepipe bans are a sham - nothing more than a publicity device. And that all current hosepipe bans have been illegally enforced because the legislation requires that the only justification for such bans is a shortage of rainfall. Water company pipe leaks and over-development of the south-east are not acceptable by law as reasons to impose water restrictions. If you have a few days, I can list any number of documents by way of evidence to prove that the Environment Agency is manipulating the rainfall figures, misrepresenting the cause and benefits of hosepipe bans and leveraging the water companies to their own political ends. No, I can't be bothered. But I can't understand why if there's such a plot that it doesn't seem that anyone has been fined for using hosepipes. I have friends in the south east and they've all used hosepipes for watering gardens, filling a swimming pool and filling children's paddling pools. The plot isn't working. |
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UK drought - end in sight
"mike" wrote in message ... "Mary Fisher" wrote in message . net... They've been available for households for quite a few years but there's a lobby which opposes them - no idea why. More people are having them installed though as they see savings in their bills. It's a pity it had to have a financial side but that's the most important part of life for many people :-( Many businesses (perhaps all, I don't know) have to have them. Mary Young couple who are out all day are finding them far cheaper than on the old Rates system One of my daughters, because of the value of her house, was paying a fortune for having an empty house all day and thus not using the water. Water meter installed and hey presto much reduced bills :-)) We're in all day and as a beekeeper I used a huge amount of water to wash honey extracting, filtering, storage equipment and jars as well as cleaning the rooms. Our water bills with a meter were lower than when we had water rates. Now that I don't have to do that they're minuscule. Mary mike |
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