Judith was asking in another thread if a spray called Vitex still exists for
us on vines with mildew. It's not one I know of and neither does Ray. But
apparently there's something rather new called Benthiavalicarb which is used
for this. What it's marketing name is, I don't know but it might be worth
asked a nursery that deals a lot in grapevines, such as Read's. The herb
Vitex is Agnus Castus and seems to be a sort of herbal Viagra! ;-)
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/

"Sacha" wrote
Judith was asking in another thread if a spray called Vitex still exists
for
us on vines with mildew. It's not one I know of and neither does Ray.
But
apparently there's something rather new called Benthiavalicarb which is
used
for this. What it's marketing name is, I don't know but it might be worth
asked a nursery that deals a lot in grapevines, such as Read's. The herb
Vitex is Agnus Castus and seems to be a sort of herbal Viagra! ;-)

I saw some Vitex "Bordeaux Mixture" the other day, is that what Judith
wants?

--
Regards
Bob H
17mls W. of London.UK

"Martin" wrote in message
news On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 18:40:48 -0000, "Bob Hobden" wrote:


"Sacha" wrote
Judith was asking in another thread if a spray called Vitex still exists
for
us on vines with mildew. It's not one I know of and neither does Ray.
But
apparently there's something rather new called Benthiavalicarb which is
used
for this. What it's marketing name is, I don't know but it might be
worth
asked a nursery that deals a lot in grapevines, such as Read's. The herb
Vitex is Agnus Castus and seems to be a sort of herbal Viagra! ;-)

I saw some Vitex "Bordeaux Mixture" the other day, is that what Judith
wants?

"Organic farming also still allows the use of Bordeaux mixture, the
most toxic and persistent pesticide in common use, just
because it is 'traditional'."
--

Martin

It's a fungicide not a pesticide. Persistant in that the copper sticks
around for a long time and is cumulative. There is not a lot of difference
between Bordeaux mixture and the other still availale compound Cheshunt.

Bob Hobden wrote:

I saw some Vitex "Bordeaux Mixture" the other day, is that what Judith
wants?


It is, where did you see it Bob?

"Martin" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 19:40:59 -0000, "Rupert \(W.Yorkshire\)"
wrote:


"Organic farming also still allows the use of Bordeaux mixture, the
most toxic and persistent pesticide in common use, just
because it is 'traditional'."
--

Martin

It's a fungicide not a pesticide. Persistant in that the copper sticks
around for a long time and is cumulative. There is not a lot of difference
between Bordeaux mixture and the other still availale compound Cheshunt.


A fungicide is a pesticide.

http://www.alanwood.net/pesticides/c...esticides.html
--

Martin

Thanks for the link. I never realised everything was a subdivision of
pesticides

"judith lea" wrote

Bob Hobden wrote:

I saw some Vitex "Bordeaux Mixture" the other day, is that what Judith
wants?


It is, where did you see it Bob?


In one of our local Garden Centres, probably put away now Christmas
decorations are everywhere. If you have a decent GC near you, ask them, they
may well have some somewhere, if not Vitax then someone elses make.

--
Regards
Bob H
17mls W. of London.UK

"Martin" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 22:51:01 -0000, "Rupert \(W.Yorkshire\)"
wrote:


A fungicide is a pesticide.

http://www.alanwood.net/pesticides/c...esticides.html
--

Martin

Thanks for the link. I never realised everything was a subdivision of
pesticides

Don't mention it I wasn't sure until you queried it.
I quoted a scientist so I assumed he knew more than us. :-)
I'd like to know if copper is safe or not, the Dutch at one time banned
copper
antifouling on boats on inland waterways, because they said it was unsafe to
let it get into the ground water.
--

Martin

Yebut I am a (or was) a scientist and these sorts of things I thought I knew
about:-(
Bordeaux and cheshunt are both copper based fungicides.I use the latter on
seedlings to prevent damping off and other nasties. I believe that it's OK
to use cheshunt for this purpose but not as an antifungal spray on plants.
The rules appear to vary and AFAIK the French still use vast amounts of
Bordeaux on vines.
As I mentioned before, Copper is cumulative and if I was veg gardening then
I would prefer not to use it. I think last time the group discussed this
matter we worked out that you would need to eat a lot of copper contaimnated
veg before you excedded the recommended levels.

In article , Martin
writes
ecause they said it was unsafe to
let it get into the ground water.

How do you grind water?

--
regards andyw

In article , Martin
writes
On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 16:04:30 +0000, newsb wrote:

In article , Martin
writes
ecause they said it was unsafe to
let it get into the ground water.

How do you grind water?

By learning to increase your knowledge by using google?

Did my comment require a smiley?

On another tack, if its got bubbles in it, is it still water?

--
regards andyw

Bob Hobden wrote:

It is, where did you see it Bob?


In one of our local Garden Centres, probably put away now Christmas
decorations are everywhere. If you have a decent GC near you, ask them, they
may well have some somewhere, if not Vitax then someone elses make.


The only garden centres in Norwich that carries stock of sundries are
Notcutts and Taverham Garden Centre. Notcutts are expensive but
Teverham Garden Centre are, I think, good value for money. I shall
take a look there next Wednesday as they have a brilliant Christmas
display of potted plants which will survive on my patent's grave.