"Jim Webster" wrote in message ...

"pearl" wrote in message
...
"Jim Webster" wrote in message
...

tut tut pearl

what I actually said, as can be seen, was
exactly so they are going to have to cut domestic water consumption,
because
there is enough water falling for agriculture, whatever sort of
agriculture
you want.

You said that some vegetables require irrigation. What would
happen if drought continues and reservoirs empty altogether?

I also said you would have to cut domestic water consumption

Say it again. And maybe some vegetable production too.

so they are going to have to cut domestic water consumption, because
there is enough water falling for agriculture, whatever sort of
agriculture
you want.

Yes, you just said that. The question is, *why* is this happening?

too many people, using too much energy, too much water going on washing
cars, irrigating gardens, flushing toilets, etc etc

Extensive deforestation for grazing and feedcrops affecting climate.

of course it couldn't possibly be anything to do with the vast urban
population, oh no, no way, they have to be innocent

Can't you get the simple fact that shortages are due to a lack of rain?

yep, and large areas in the UK, because that is where we produce
our
livestock here, is permanent pasture because it is unsuitable
for
arable
cultivation

Arable land is, but a significant percentage is being used for
feedcrops.

in the UK a lot of arable land is incapable of growing bread making
wheat
and can only grow feed wheat, but as global warming increases we'll
probably
be able to grow bread making wheat

'WHETHER you're an avid baker or know next to nothing about
making bread, visiting the Watermill in Little Salkeld, Cumbria,
will make you want to get stuck in.
..

yep, as I said, we grow very little breadmaking wheat in the UK.

You say a lot of things. You are a veritable fount of BS, jim.

at least I don't selectively snip to change the sense of what people
write

*I* haven't snipped anything here (and when I do I indicate it), liar.

fond of that word aren't you, a guilty conscience perhaps

I'm calling a spade a spade. You lack all credibility.

That is why we import bread making wheat, because we don't have the
sunshine
that we need to guarantee production

- BS. 'Only' 39% of British wheat is used as livestock feed.

exactly. And it is grown in the areas where it can be grown, the rest of
the
land is unlikely to produce bread making wheat which is why more wheat
isn't
grown

61% does.. Wheat is grown, partly as it *is* suited to the climate.

no,

Yes.

Wheat and barley are the most important cereal crops grown in the
United Kingdom. Production of oats and rye has declined drastically
whilst a new cross of rye and wheat, called triticale, has been
introduced. All these cereals are well suited to the UK's temperate
climate. [..]

Wheat

Wheat is the most widely grown arable crop in the UK covering
around 2 million hectares and producing about 15.5 million tonnes
each year. Wheat is a versatile crop and is found in thousands of
food products e.g. bread, cakes, biscuits and breakfast cereals.
...
http://www.defra.gov.uk/farm/crops/index.htm

on the land fit for growing wheat, only 61% is suitable for bread
making.

Ipse dixit. That only 61% of wheat is used does not prove that.

This does not prove that on land on which wheat is not grown, 61%
will be suitable for bread making

?

I'm glad you've noticed OSR,

What's that?

you mean you posted great screds of stuff about something you didn't
understand

No. Clearly I don't understand what "OSR" stands for.

then read what you post before posting it next time

I pity your acquaintances. You're like a bent nail.

you'll see a lot more of it when the EU turns
over 50% of our arable acreage for biodiesel

'Biofuels: Biodevastation, Hunger & False Carbon Credits
http://www.i-sis.org.uk/BiofuelsBiod...tionHunger.php

& appearing to be highly controversial in relevant circles.

But you still haven't said where your food comes from I note

Note everything you've snipped and failed to comment upon.

wriggle wriggle wriggle

You should excel in wriggling by now with so much practice.

where does your food come from

where does your food come from pearl

why are you so embarassed about its source, is it because pearl would have
to admit that it came from water deficit countries

lot of things embarass pearl, her name, her job, her diet

You are still either clueless or pretending to be. Fool.

"pearl" wrote in message
...
"Jim Webster" wrote in message
...

"pearl" wrote in message
...
"Jim Webster" wrote in message
...

tut tut pearl

what I actually said, as can be seen, was
exactly so they are going to have to cut domestic water consumption,
because
there is enough water falling for agriculture, whatever sort of
agriculture
you want.

You said that some vegetables require irrigation. What would
happen if drought continues and reservoirs empty altogether?

I also said you would have to cut domestic water consumption

Say it again. And maybe some vegetable production too.

thats up to the people that live there, they can chose between bathing and
vegetables


so they are going to have to cut domestic water consumption,
because
there is enough water falling for agriculture, whatever sort of
agriculture
you want.

Yes, you just said that. The question is, *why* is this happening?

too many people, using too much energy, too much water going on
washing
cars, irrigating gardens, flushing toilets, etc etc

Extensive deforestation for grazing and feedcrops affecting climate.

of course it couldn't possibly be anything to do with the vast urban
population, oh no, no way, they have to be innocent

Can't you get the simple fact that shortages are due to a lack of rain?

no lack of rain up here,
the fact that the SE has been drawing down the aquifers and using more than
has fallen for a couple of decades should be born in mind
They were running short of water before climate change became an issue.

Perhaps they ought to fly less and not have cars




yep, and large areas in the UK, because that is where we
produce
our
livestock here, is permanent pasture because it is unsuitable
for
arable
cultivation

Arable land is, but a significant percentage is being used for
feedcrops.

in the UK a lot of arable land is incapable of growing bread
making
wheat
and can only grow feed wheat, but as global warming increases
we'll
probably
be able to grow bread making wheat

'WHETHER you're an avid baker or know next to nothing about
making bread, visiting the Watermill in Little Salkeld, Cumbria,
will make you want to get stuck in.
..

yep, as I said, we grow very little breadmaking wheat in the UK.

You say a lot of things. You are a veritable fount of BS, jim.

at least I don't selectively snip to change the sense of what people
write

*I* haven't snipped anything here (and when I do I indicate it), liar.

fond of that word aren't you, a guilty conscience perhaps

I'm calling a spade a spade. You lack all credibility.

That is why we import bread making wheat, because we don't have the
sunshine
that we need to guarantee production

- BS. 'Only' 39% of British wheat is used as livestock feed.

exactly. And it is grown in the areas where it can be grown, the rest
of
the
land is unlikely to produce bread making wheat which is why more wheat
isn't
grown

61% does.. Wheat is grown, partly as it *is* suited to the climate.

no,

Yes.

Wheat and barley are the most important cereal crops grown in the
United Kingdom. Production of oats and rye has declined drastically
whilst a new cross of rye and wheat, called triticale, has been
introduced. All these cereals are well suited to the UK's temperate
climate. [..]

Wheat

Wheat is the most widely grown arable crop in the UK covering
around 2 million hectares and producing about 15.5 million tonnes
each year. Wheat is a versatile crop and is found in thousands of
food products e.g. bread, cakes, biscuits and breakfast cereals.
..
http://www.defra.gov.uk/farm/crops/index.htm

on the land fit for growing wheat, only 61% is suitable for bread
making.

Ipse dixit. That only 61% of wheat is used does not prove that.

This does not prove that on land on which wheat is not grown, 61%
will be suitable for bread making

?

read it slowly, it is all short words


I'm glad you've noticed OSR,

What's that?

you mean you posted great screds of stuff about something you didn't
understand

No. Clearly I don't understand what "OSR" stands for.

then read what you post before posting it next time

I pity your acquaintances. You're like a bent nail.

you are the one who posts stuff without reading it. If you don't know what
OSR is, you should read what you post first
Why is it when caught out you merely revert to insult


you'll see a lot more of it when the EU turns
over 50% of our arable acreage for biodiesel

'Biofuels: Biodevastation, Hunger & False Carbon Credits
http://www.i-sis.org.uk/BiofuelsBiod...tionHunger.php

& appearing to be highly controversial in relevant circles.

But you still haven't said where your food comes from I note

Note everything you've snipped and failed to comment upon.

wriggle wriggle wriggle

You should excel in wriggling by now with so much practice.

where does your food come from

where does your food come from pearl

why are you so embarassed about its source, is it because pearl would
have
to admit that it came from water deficit countries

lot of things embarass pearl, her name, her job, her diet


so why will you not say where your food comes from pearl
why are you embarassed by it

Jim Webster

"Jim Webster" wrote in message ...

"pearl" wrote in message
...
"Jim Webster" wrote in message
...

"pearl" wrote in message
...
"Jim Webster" wrote in message
...

tut tut pearl

what I actually said, as can be seen, was
exactly so they are going to have to cut domestic water consumption,
because
there is enough water falling for agriculture, whatever sort of
agriculture
you want.

You said that some vegetables require irrigation. What would
happen if drought continues and reservoirs empty altogether?

I also said you would have to cut domestic water consumption

Say it again. And maybe some vegetable production too.

thats up to the people that live there, they can chose between bathing and
vegetables

Or you can choose between meat and water (bathing, vegetables, etc.).

so they are going to have to cut domestic water consumption,
because
there is enough water falling for agriculture, whatever sort of
agriculture
you want.

Yes, you just said that. The question is, *why* is this happening?

too many people, using too much energy, too much water going on
washing
cars, irrigating gardens, flushing toilets, etc etc

Extensive deforestation for grazing and feedcrops affecting climate.

of course it couldn't possibly be anything to do with the vast urban
population, oh no, no way, they have to be innocent

Can't you get the simple fact that shortages are due to a lack of rain?

no lack of rain up here,

And that's all that matters to jim... numero uno.

the fact that the SE has been drawing down the aquifers and using more than
has fallen for a couple of decades should be born in mind

Link?

They were running short of water before climate change became an issue.

The climate was changing before it became 'an issue'.

Perhaps they ought to fly less and not have cars

'Livestock a major threat to environment

Remedies urgently needed

29 November 2006, Rome - Which causes more greenhouse gas
emissions, rearing cattle or driving cars?

Surprise!

According to a new report published by the United Nations Food
and Agriculture Organization, the livestock sector generates more
greenhouse gas emissions as measured in CO2 equivalent - 18
percent - than transport. It is also a major source of land and water
degradation.

Says Henning Steinfeld, Chief of FAO's Livestock Information and
Policy Branch and senior author of the report: "Livestock are one of
the most significant contributors to today's most serious environmental
problems. Urgent action is required to remedy the situation."
....
But such rapid growth exacts a steep environmental price, according to
the FAO report, Livestock's Long Shadow -Environmental Issues and
Options. "The environmental costs per unit of livestock production must
be cut by one half, just to avoid the level of damage worsening beyond
its present level," it warns.

When emissions from land use and land use change are included, the
livestock sector accounts for 9 percent of CO2 deriving from human-
related activities, but produces a much larger share of even more harmful
greenhouse gases. It generates 65 percent of human-related nitrous oxide,
which has 296 times the Global Warming Potential (GWP) of CO2.
Most of this comes from manure.

And it accounts for respectively 37 percent of all human-induced methane
(23 times as warming as CO2), which is largely produced by the digestive
system of ruminants, and 64 percent of ammonia, which contributes
significantly to acid rain.

Livestock now use 30 percent of the earth's entire land surface, mostly
permanent pasture but also including 33 percent of the global arable land
used to producing feed for livestock, the report notes. As forests are
cleared to create new pastures, it is a major driver of deforestation,
especially in Latin America where, for example, some 70 percent of
former forests in the Amazon have been turned over to grazing.

Land and water

At the same time herds cause wide-scale land degradation, with about
20 percent of pastures considered as degraded through overgrazing,
compaction and erosion. This figure is even higher in the drylands
where inappropriate policies and inadequate livestock management
contribute to advancing desertification.

The livestock business is among the most damaging sectors to the
earth's increasingly scarce water resources, contributing among other
things to water pollution, euthropication and the degeneration of coral
reefs. The major polluting agents are animal wastes, antibiotics and
hormones, chemicals from tanneries, fertilizers and the pesticides used
to spray feed crops. Widespread overgrazing disturbs water cycles,
reducing replenishment of above and below ground water resources.
Significant amounts of water are withdrawn for the production of feed.

Livestock are estimated to be the main inland source of phosphorous
and nitrogen contamination of the South China Sea, contributing to
biodiversity loss in marine ecosystems.

Meat and dairy animals now account for about 20 percent of all
terrestrial animal biomass. Livestock's presence in vast tracts of land
and its demand for feed crops also contribute to biodiversity loss; 15
out of 24 important ecosystem services are assessed as in decline,
with livestock identified as a culprit.
....'
http://www.fao.org/newsroom/en/news/...448/index.html

'Geophysicists Gidon Eshel and Pamela Martin from the University of
Chicago concluded that changing one's eating habits from the Standard
American Diet (SAD) to a vegetarian diet does more to fight global
warming than switching from a gas-guzzling SUV to a fuel-efficient
hybrid car. Of course, you can do both - and more! It has been said
that "where the environment is concerned, eating meat is like driving a
huge SUV.... Eating a vegetarian diet is like driving a mid-sized car
[or a reasonable sedan, according to Eshel]. And eating a vegan diet
(no dairy, no eggs) is like riding a bicycle or walking. Shifting away
from SUVs and SUV-style diets, to much more energy-efficient
alternatives, is key to fighting the warming trend.

Global warming is already having grave effects on our planet and we
need to take action. Vegetarians help keep the planet cool in more
ways than one! Paul McCartney says, "If anyone wants to save the
planet, all they have to do is just stop eating meat. That's the single
most important thing you could do." Andrea Gordon, in her article
"If You Recycle, Why Are You Eating Meat?" agrees: "There is a
direct relationship between eating meat and the environment.
E Magazine asked the same question in its cover story, "So You're
an Environmentalist. Why Are You Still Eating Meat?" Quite simply,
you can't be a meat-eating environmentalist. Sorry folks."

Vegetarianism is literally about life and death - for each of us
individually and for all of us together. Eating animals simultaneously
contributes to a multitude of tragedies: the animals' suffering and
death; the ill-health and early death of people; the unsustainable
overuse of oil, water, land, topsoil, grain, labor and other vital
resources; environmental destruction, including deforestation,
species extinction, mono-cropping and global warming; the
legitimacy of force and violence; the mis-allocation of capital,
skills, land and other assets; vast inefficiencies in the economy;
tremendous waste; massive inequalities in the world; the
continuation of world hunger and mass starvation; the transmission
and spread of dangerous diseases; and moral failure in so-called
civilized societies. Vegetarianism is an antidote to all of these
unnecessary tragedies.
....
Global warming, as Al Gore so powerfully shows, is "an
inconvenient truth." The fact that the production of meat
significantly contributes to global warming is another
inconvenient truth. Now we know.

full story: http://www.emagazine.com/view/?3312

..

pearl wrote:
"Jim Webster" wrote in message ...

They were running short of water before climate change became an issue.

The climate was changing before it became 'an issue'.

Oh yes indeed. I can remember when informed scientific opinion claimed
we were heading for a new ice age. That would presumably have meant
lots more water, before it all froze. Not that long ago either.

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people believe has happened. [Janet Daley 27/8/2003]

"Old Codger" wrote in message
...

Oh yes indeed. I can remember when informed scientific opinion claimed we
were heading for a new ice age. That would presumably have meant lots
more water, before it all froze. Not that long ago either.


proves that it is time for everybody to accept that others have opinions and
to let the whole thing drop :-))

Mike


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On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:54:34 -0000, "Jim Webster"
wrote:


"pearl" wrote in message
...
"Jim Webster" wrote in message
...

tut tut pearl

what I actually said, as can be seen, was
exactly so they are going to have to cut domestic water consumption,
because
there is enough water falling for agriculture, whatever sort of
agriculture
you want.

You said that some vegetables require irrigation. What would
happen if drought continues and reservoirs empty altogether?

I also said you would have to cut domestic water consumption


so they are going to have to cut domestic water consumption, because
there is enough water falling for agriculture, whatever sort of
agriculture
you want.

Yes, you just said that. The question is, *why* is this happening?

too many people, using too much energy, too much water going on washing
cars, irrigating gardens, flushing toilets, etc etc

Extensive deforestation for grazing and feedcrops affecting climate.

of course it couldn't possibly be anything to do with the vast urban
population, oh no, no way, they have to be innocent


yep, and large areas in the UK, because that is where we produce
our
livestock here, is permanent pasture because it is unsuitable
for
arable
cultivation

Arable land is, but a significant percentage is being used for
feedcrops.

in the UK a lot of arable land is incapable of growing bread making
wheat
and can only grow feed wheat, but as global warming increases we'll
probably
be able to grow bread making wheat

'WHETHER you're an avid baker or know next to nothing about
making bread, visiting the Watermill in Little Salkeld, Cumbria,
will make you want to get stuck in.
..

yep, as I said, we grow very little breadmaking wheat in the UK.

You say a lot of things. You are a veritable fount of BS, jim.

at least I don't selectively snip to change the sense of what people
write

*I* haven't snipped anything here (and when I do I indicate it), liar.

fond of that word aren't you, a guilty conscience perhaps


That is why we import bread making wheat, because we don't have the
sunshine
that we need to guarantee production

- BS. 'Only' 39% of British wheat is used as livestock feed.

exactly. And it is grown in the areas where it can be grown, the rest of
the
land is unlikely to produce bread making wheat which is why more wheat
isn't
grown

61% does.. Wheat is grown, partly as it *is* suited to the climate.

no, on the land fit for growing wheat, only 61% is suitable for bread
making. This does not prove that on land on which wheat is not grown, 61%
will be suitable for bread making



I'm glad you've noticed OSR,

What's that?

you mean you posted great screds of stuff about something you didn't
understand

No. Clearly I don't understand what "OSR" stands for.

then read what you post before posting it next time


you'll see a lot more of it when the EU turns
over 50% of our arable acreage for biodiesel

'Biofuels: Biodevastation, Hunger & False Carbon Credits
http://www.i-sis.org.uk/BiofuelsBiod...tionHunger.php

& appearing to be highly controversial in relevant circles.

But you still haven't said where your food comes from I note

Note everything you've snipped and failed to comment upon.

wriggle wriggle wriggle

You should excel in wriggling by now with so much practice.

where does your food come from

where does your food come from pearl

why are you so embarassed about its source, is it because pearl would have
to admit that it came from water deficit countries

lot of things embarass pearl, her name, her job, her diet


I bet she's not embarrassed about her looks, unlike you!

"(o)(o)" wrote in message
...

proves that it is time for everybody to accept that others have opinions and
to let the whole thing drop :-))

Mike


--
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Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association
www.rnshipmates.co.uk
www.nsrafa.com

In article , pearl
wrote:
"Jim Webster" wrote in message news:52botiF1npp
...

You said that some vegetables require irrigation. What would
happen if drought continues and reservoirs empty altogether?

I also said you would have to cut domestic water consumption

Say it again. And maybe some vegetable production too.

Or different veg and more polytunnels.

so they are going to have to cut domestic water consumption, because
there is enough water falling for agriculture, whatever sort of
agriculture
you want.

Yes, you just said that. The question is, *why* is this happening?

too many people, using too much energy, too much water going on washing
cars, irrigating gardens, flushing toilets, etc etc

Extensive deforestation for grazing and feedcrops affecting climate.

Happened centuries ago with no great climatic effect.

of course it couldn't possibly be anything to do with the vast urban
population, oh no, no way, they have to be innocent

Can't you get the simple fact that shortages are due to a lack of rain?

No.

There is more than enough rain.

Built up areas prevent water getting into the aquifers and profligate
populations flush it away.


That is why we import bread making wheat, because we don't have the
sunshine
that we need to guarantee production

- BS. 'Only' 39% of British wheat is used as livestock feed.

exactly. And it is grown in the areas where it can be grown, the rest of
the
land is unlikely to produce bread making wheat which is why more wheat
isn't
grown

61% does.. Wheat is grown, partly as it *is* suited to the climate.

no,

Yes.

No. Only an idiot would plant bread wheats in that quantity. If the season
was less then perfect the bulk of the crop would be fit only for animal feed,
expensive, low yield, animal feed at that.

Wheat and barley are the most important cereal crops grown in the

Pearl, you are posting to a farming group. We -know- all this stuff and
-we- understand it.


on the land fit for growing wheat, only 61% is suitable for bread
making.

Ipse dixit. That only 61% of wheat is used does not prove that.

That is the area that -could-, in appropriate conditions, produce bread
wheat. Most of the wheat planted even there will be suitable only for
biscuit, cake and other low-protein uses. Large parts will be under other
crops for much of the time.

The by-product of these processes are also useful animal feed. In fact the
bulk of the crop taken might be used as animal feed even though every single
grain harvested goes for human consumption.

I'm glad you've noticed OSR,

What's that?

you mean you posted great screds of stuff about something you didn't
understand

No. Clearly I don't understand what "OSR" stands for.

We noticed. So stop posting about it.

Cheerio,

--


http://www.farm-direct.co.uk/

'Mike' wrote:
"Old Codger" wrote in message
...
Oh yes indeed. I can remember when informed scientific opinion claimed we
were heading for a new ice age. That would presumably have meant lots
more water, before it all froze. Not that long ago either.


proves that it is time for everybody to accept that others have opinions and
to let the whole thing drop :-))

Not really, I have just added a new thought to the thread. Someone
*might* wish to respond.


--
Old Codger
e-mail use reply to field

What matters in politics is not what happens, but what you can make
people believe has happened. [Janet Daley 27/8/2003]

Alan Holmes wrote:
"pearl" wrote in message
...
"Jim Webster" wrote in message
...
"pearl" wrote in message
...
"Jim Webster" wrote in message
...
"pearl" wrote in message
...
"Jim Webster" wrote in
message
then they will have to cut domestic water consumption
Don't forget vegetables.. but it's all worth it.. even the heart
disease, etc.
And what about remaining native flora and fauna.. Who cares, eh,
jim.
exactly
Really? What an insane attitude. Luckily, jim's kind are in the
minority.
Most people are misinformed + addicted to fat (in this case animal
fat).

tut tut pearl

what I actually said, as can be seen, was
exactly so they are going to have to cut domestic water consumption,
because
there is enough water falling for agriculture, whatever sort of
agriculture
you want.
You said that some vegetables require irrigation. What would
happen if drought continues and reservoirs empty altogether?

so they are going to have to cut domestic water consumption, because
there is enough water falling for agriculture, whatever sort of
agriculture
you want.
Yes, you just said that. The question is, *why* is this happening?
too many people, using too much energy, too much water going on washing
cars, irrigating gardens, flushing toilets, etc etc
Extensive deforestation for grazing and feedcrops affecting climate.

yep, and large areas in the UK, because that is where we produce
our
livestock here, is permanent pasture because it is unsuitable
for
arable
cultivation
Arable land is, but a significant percentage is being used for
feedcrops.
in the UK a lot of arable land is incapable of growing bread making
wheat
and can only grow feed wheat, but as global warming increases we'll
probably
be able to grow bread making wheat
'WHETHER you're an avid baker or know next to nothing about
making bread, visiting the Watermill in Little Salkeld, Cumbria,
will make you want to get stuck in.
..
yep, as I said, we grow very little breadmaking wheat in the UK.
You say a lot of things. You are a veritable fount of BS, jim.
at least I don't selectively snip to change the sense of what people
write
*I* haven't snipped anything here (and when I do I indicate it), liar.

That is why we import bread making wheat, because we don't have the
sunshine
that we need to guarantee production
- BS. 'Only' 39% of British wheat is used as livestock feed.
exactly. And it is grown in the areas where it can be grown, the rest of
the
land is unlikely to produce bread making wheat which is why more wheat
isn't
grown
61% does.. Wheat is grown, partly as it *is* suited to the climate.

I'm glad you've noticed OSR,
What's that?
you mean you posted great screds of stuff about something you didn't
understand
No. Clearly I don't understand what "OSR" stands for.

you'll see a lot more of it when the EU turns
over 50% of our arable acreage for biodiesel
'Biofuels: Biodevastation, Hunger & False Carbon Credits
http://www.i-sis.org.uk/BiofuelsBiod...tionHunger.php

& appearing to be highly controversial in relevant circles.

But you still haven't said where your food comes from I note
Note everything you've snipped and failed to comment upon.
wriggle wriggle wriggle
You should excel in wriggling by now with so much practice.

where does your food come from
I long ago learned not to get lost in long circular arguments that
were a total waste of time. You keep trying to change the subject
and get off the embarassing issue that meat is totally destructive.

Why don't you learn to posts just to the groups yu read, and not keep
clogging newsgroups with rubbish that has no bearing on those groups?

It's a very simple proceedure, but perhaps that is too complicated for you

Pot, kettle?

You appear to post to all the groups *except* the one you read Alan.


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What matters in politics is not what happens, but what you can make
people believe has happened. [Janet Daley 27/8/2003]

"Old Codger" wrote in message
...

Not really, I have just added a new thought to the thread. Someone
*might* wish to respond.



and it will be a very big man/woman not to continue the barrage of school
playground type arguments.

Mike

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My apologies Alan, I missed your group off my response to your post. No
harm done though, here it is.

Alan Holmes wrote:
"pearl" wrote in message
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"Jim Webster" wrote in message
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"pearl" wrote in message
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"Jim Webster" wrote in message
then they will have to cut domestic water consumption
Don't forget vegetables.. but it's all worth it.. even the heart
disease, etc.
And what about remaining native flora and fauna.. Who cares, eh, jim.
exactly
Really? What an insane attitude. Luckily, jim's kind are in the
minority.
Most people are misinformed + addicted to fat (in this case animal fat).

so they are going to have to cut domestic water consumption, because
there is enough water falling for agriculture, whatever sort of
agriculture
you want.
Yes, you just said that. The question is, *why* is this happening?

yep, and large areas in the UK, because that is where we produce
our
livestock here, is permanent pasture because it is unsuitable for
arable
cultivation
Arable land is, but a significant percentage is being used for
feedcrops.
in the UK a lot of arable land is incapable of growing bread
making wheat
and can only grow feed wheat, but as global warming increases we'll
probably
be able to grow bread making wheat
'WHETHER you're an avid baker or know next to nothing about
making bread, visiting the Watermill in Little Salkeld, Cumbria,
will make you want to get stuck in.
..
yep, as I said, we grow very little breadmaking wheat in the UK.
You say a lot of things. You are a veritable fount of BS, jim.

That is why we import bread making wheat, because we don't have the
sunshine
that we need to guarantee production
- BS. 'Only' 39% of British wheat is used as livestock feed.

I'm glad you've noticed OSR,
What's that?

you'll see a lot more of it when the EU turns
over 50% of our arable acreage for biodiesel
'Biofuels: Biodevastation, Hunger & False Carbon Credits
http://www.i-sis.org.uk/BiofuelsBiod...tionHunger.php

& appearing to be highly controversial in relevant circles.

But you still haven't said where your food comes from I note
Note everything you've snipped and failed to comment upon.





Why don't you snip, and just post to the group you have read this
rubbish in?

Pot kettle for snipping and posting. In fact you post to everywhere
except where you have read the post Alan.



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