Need to do some serious weeding and want to use something that will be
neutralised once it hits the soil - need to plant in around three months.
Have tried the organic way of hand weeding, digging etc on my new allotment
but the first cropping year has seen produce almost overtaken by weeds of
varying nature.
Very disheartening especially with my potato haulms getting blight.
Noted that roundup appears useful and contains the active ingredient of
glyphosate.
Is it sold in bulk for diluting down in a sprayer or watering can or do
roundup have the commercial rights and can only be bought as a roundup
product.
Thanks in advance for your help

Alan
north of Portsmouth

In article , Alan McKenzie
writes
Need to do some serious weeding and want to use something that will be
neutralised once it hits the soil - need to plant in around three months.
Have tried the organic way of hand weeding, digging etc on my new allotment
but the first cropping year has seen produce almost overtaken by weeds of
varying nature.

The proper answer is for you to visit more often and not use chemicals.
Persist in doing it the hard way and it will be easier next year and
even easier the year after and doubly rewarding for the effort.


Very disheartening especially with my potato haulms getting blight.
Noted that roundup appears useful and contains the active ingredient of
glyphosate.

Wonderful stuff, kills plants dead and forever although persistent weeds
which grow from lumps of root may need a couple of treatments and
nettles three or more.

Be careful to spray on days when there is absolutely no wind or you may
incur the wrath of your neighbours and check also your association has
no "NO SPRAYING OF WEED KILLERS" policy, many do and for good reason.
Better still apply sparingly from a watering can fitted with a VERY fine
rose at two weekly intervals for two months. Bear in mind it only works
if the plant can absorb it and any reaching the ground is quite simply
wasted.

Don't forget also to treat your paths, in the part of the world where I
live cooch grass is considered to be native and as it can travel 5 yards
underground in a single good summer the path next to your veggies is no
place to allow it to prosper.


Is it sold in bulk for diluting down in a sprayer or watering can or do
roundup have the commercial rights and can only be bought as a roundup
product.

Roundup is the slightly more concentrated commercial version of I can't
remember the name of it now packaged for domestic use in small
quantities. Don't mess about with small expensive quantities from your
local garden centre. If you feel you must use chemicals go to your
local farmers suppliers and buy a 5 litre container of the stuff and
have done with it.


--
steve auvache
Not quite as sunny as usual but drought free for a change Essex.

"Alan McKenzie" wrote in message
...
Need to do some serious weeding and want to use something that will be
neutralised once it hits the soil - need to plant in around three months.
Have tried the organic way of hand weeding, digging etc on my new
allotment but the first cropping year has seen produce almost overtaken by
weeds of varying nature.
Very disheartening especially with my potato haulms getting blight.
Noted that roundup appears useful and contains the active ingredient of
glyphosate.
Is it sold in bulk for diluting down in a sprayer or watering can or do
roundup have the commercial rights and can only be bought as a roundup
product.
Thanks in advance for your help

Alan
north of Portsmouth



Glyphosate is the active ingredient in Roundup. However, it is now legal to
buy the generic glyphosate which can be much cheaper for exactly the same
thing. I sympathise with your weed problem having similar myself. Glyphosate
is wonderful stuff - though there will be others here who will strongly
disagree, but that's gardeners for you :-)

David.

"Alan McKenzie" wrote in message
...
Need to do some serious weeding and want to use something that will be
neutralised once it hits the soil - need to plant in around three months.

The label on Roundup says it's inactivated on contact with soil and can be
used before planting veg. It says you can replant next day (or after 7 days
if the max strength was used for dense weed cover).

"CWatters" wrote in message
...

"Alan McKenzie" wrote in message
...
Need to do some serious weeding and want to use something that will be
neutralised once it hits the soil - need to plant in around three
months.

The label on Roundup says it's inactivated on contact with soil and can be
used before planting veg. It says you can replant next day (or after 7
days
if the max strength was used for dense weed cover).


PS This info is on the back of the label on the bottle - you have to peel is
up to read it.

On Jul 25, 7:28 pm, steve auvache wrote:
The proper answer is for you to visit more often and not use chemicals.
Persist in doing it the hard way and it will be easier next year and
even easier the year after and doubly rewarding for the effort.

yes, Yes, YES! ;o)

In article .com, La
Puce writes
On Jul 25, 7:28 pm, steve auvache wrote:
The proper answer is for you to visit more often and not use chemicals.
Persist in doing it the hard way and it will be easier next year and
even easier the year after and doubly rewarding for the effort.

yes, Yes, YES! ;o)

Just the kind of reaction I like.

--
steve auvache
Sunny Essex

"CWatters" wrote after...

"Alan McKenzie" wrote in message
Need to do some serious weeding and want to use something that will be
neutralised once it hits the soil - need to plant in around three months.

The label on Roundup says it's inactivated on contact with soil and can be
used before planting veg. It says you can replant next day (or after 7
days
if the max strength was used for dense weed cover).

Inactive on contact with soil, are you sure?
I thought it had a 40 day half life in the soil although it only works on
green material. i.e. the chemical stays in the soil for some time before
being degraded.

--
Regards
Bob Hobden
17mls W. of London.UK

On Jul 25, 11:02 pm, "Bob Hobden" wrote:

Inactive on contact with soil, are you sure?

I am "pretty" sure Bob as we use it.

Judith

"CWatters" wrote:


"Alan McKenzie" wrote in message
...
Need to do some serious weeding and want to use something that will be
neutralised once it hits the soil - need to plant in around three months.

The label on Roundup says it's inactivated on contact with soil and can be
used before planting veg. It says you can replant next day (or after 7 days
if the max strength was used for dense weed cover).

Having a serious problem with dandelions in pasture grass, I sprayed
them with Roundup individually at close range to minimise collateral
damage. This was in Spring last year. It is only now, after the best
possible conditions for growth, that the bare patches are starting to
close up.

I understand that dandelions secrete a chemical which inhibits the
growth of other plants and that may partly account for the length of
time it's taken for the grass/other flowers to fill in the patches, but
I'm now inclined to take the assertion about glyphosate becoming
inactive on contact with the soil with a large pinch of sceptical salt.

"brian mitchell" wrote in message
...
"CWatters" wrote:


"Alan McKenzie" wrote in message
...
Need to do some serious weeding and want to use something that will be
neutralised once it hits the soil - need to plant in around three
months.

The label on Roundup says it's inactivated on contact with soil and can
be
used before planting veg. It says you can replant next day (or after 7
days
if the max strength was used for dense weed cover).

Having a serious problem with dandelions in pasture grass, I sprayed
them with Roundup individually at close range to minimise collateral
damage. This was in Spring last year. It is only now, after the best
possible conditions for growth, that the bare patches are starting to
close up.

I understand that dandelions secrete a chemical which inhibits the
growth of other plants and that may partly account for the length of
time it's taken for the grass/other flowers to fill in the patches, but
I'm now inclined to take the assertion about glyphosate becoming
inactive on contact with the soil with a large pinch of sceptical salt.

But it is never the less true! you can replant an area within a day and the
plants are fine, I suspect that there were no seeds present under the old
dandelion leaves to germinate and fill the gap. There is an argument that it
leaves nasty chemicals behind that do other bad things if you eat anything
grown there etc, my science is not good enough to know the truth of that but
I can confirm it is safe to plant as soon as the weedkiller has dried as I
have done it many times, planting into still green turf before its started
to go brown, and the plants were fine.

--
Charlie, Gardening in Cornwall
http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of National collections of Clematis viticella
and Lapageria rosea cultivars

On 26 Jul, 09:55, Martin wrote:
It becomes inactive/breaksdown after some time.
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=508121

For whom and for what does it breaks down? (I'm not only talking to
you Martin, you understand). Is it to plant a petunia after
eliminating an unsightly taraxacum or to provide 200 tons of potatoes
to feed the starved? What does it take for people to understand the
cycle of life? What does it take to make people who love their garden
understand that even the smaller amount of chemical will have
inevitable desastrous consequences either by the reduction of insect
populations which will in turn impact on birds and mammals that feed
on insects?!! How can anyone call themselves a lover of nature, a
gardener and justify the use of chemicals in their gardens?! Ever?!?

Science Society Sustainability said about the threat of glyphosate
when speaking about genetic modification in forest trees: Glyphosate
is the most frequent cause of complaints and poisoning in the UK.
Disturbances of many body functions have been reported after exposure
at normal use levels. It nearly doubled the risk of late spontaneous
abortion, and children born to users had elevated neurobehavioral
defects. Roundup (Monsanto's formulation of glyphosate) caused cell
division dysfunction that may be linked to human cancer. Glyphosate
caused retarded development of the foetal skeleton in laboratory rats.
It inhibits the synthesis of steroids and is genotoxic in mammals,
fish and frogs. It is lethal and highly toxic to earthworms.

Glufosinate ammonium is linked to neurological, respiratory,
gastrointestinal and haematological toxicities and birth defects in
humans. It is toxic to butterflies and a number of beneficial insects,
also to the larvae of clams and oysters, Daphnia, some fresh water
fish such as the rainbow trout. It inhibits beneficial soil bacteria
and fungi, especially those that fix nitrogen".

Find below countless photos for all of you parents and especially
grandparents, find articles and reports showing children born without
arms, legs, eyes ... and as I write this hundreds of children are born
from poor families working in fields using weed killers and pesticides
so that we can get some Fine Green Beans in Sainsburys next January.
Please take a second, especially those of you who are still using
chemicals in your 10sqm back gardens because you just can't stand
taraxacum. For every time you use chemicals, you kill not only a weed,
but hundreds of insects, countless birds and a child.

http://www.smfws.com/pesticidearticles.htm
http://poisonedpeople.com/index8.html
http://www.greenaccord.org/portale/article.asp?id=175
http://www.rel-uita.org/agricultura/...icidas-eng.htm
http://www.naturallandscapes.org/con...pesticideh.htm

"La Puce" wrote in message
oups.com...
On 26 Jul, 09:55, Martin wrote:
It becomes inactive/breaksdown after some time.
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=508121

For whom and for what does it breaks down? (I'm not only talking to
you Martin, you understand). Is it to plant a petunia after
eliminating an unsightly taraxacum or to provide 200 tons of potatoes
to feed the starved? What does it take for people to understand the
cycle of life? What does it take to make people who love their garden
understand that even the smaller amount of chemical will have
inevitable desastrous consequences either by the reduction of insect
populations which will in turn impact on birds and mammals that feed
on insects?!! How can anyone call themselves a lover of nature, a
gardener and justify the use of chemicals in their gardens?! Ever?!?

Science Society Sustainability said about the threat of glyphosate
when speaking about genetic modification in forest trees: Glyphosate
is the most frequent cause of complaints and poisoning in the UK.
Disturbances of many body functions have been reported after exposure
at normal use levels. It nearly doubled the risk of late spontaneous
abortion, and children born to users had elevated neurobehavioral
defects. Roundup (Monsanto's formulation of glyphosate) caused cell
division dysfunction that may be linked to human cancer. Glyphosate
caused retarded development of the foetal skeleton in laboratory rats.
It inhibits the synthesis of steroids and is genotoxic in mammals,
fish and frogs. It is lethal and highly toxic to earthworms.

Glufosinate ammonium is linked to neurological, respiratory,
gastrointestinal and haematological toxicities and birth defects in
humans. It is toxic to butterflies and a number of beneficial insects,
also to the larvae of clams and oysters, Daphnia, some fresh water
fish such as the rainbow trout. It inhibits beneficial soil bacteria
and fungi, especially those that fix nitrogen".

Find below countless photos for all of you parents and especially
grandparents, find articles and reports showing children born without
arms, legs, eyes ... and as I write this hundreds of children are born
from poor families working in fields using weed killers and pesticides
so that we can get some Fine Green Beans in Sainsburys next January.
Please take a second, especially those of you who are still using
chemicals in your 10sqm back gardens because you just can't stand
taraxacum. For every time you use chemicals, you kill not only a weed,
but hundreds of insects, countless birds and a child.

http://www.smfws.com/pesticidearticles.htm
http://poisonedpeople.com/index8.html
http://www.greenaccord.org/portale/article.asp?id=175
http://www.rel-uita.org/agricultura/...icidas-eng.htm
http://www.naturallandscapes.org/con...pesticideh.htm

Apart from that, though, is it OK to use it?
















:-)

" writes
On Jul 25, 11:02 pm, "Bob Hobden" wrote:

Inactive on contact with soil, are you sure?

I am "pretty" sure Bob as we use it.

Is there a difference between 'inactive' and 'degraded'? eg is it
possible it can be identifiable present in soil as glyphosate but not
effective in killing plants, perhaps because it needs to be taken up by
leaves rather than roots?
--
Kay

brian mitchell writes
"CWatters" wrote:


"Alan McKenzie" wrote in message
...
Need to do some serious weeding and want to use something that will be
neutralised once it hits the soil - need to plant in around three months.

The label on Roundup says it's inactivated on contact with soil and can be
used before planting veg. It says you can replant next day (or after 7 days
if the max strength was used for dense weed cover).

Having a serious problem with dandelions in pasture grass, I sprayed
them with Roundup individually at close range to minimise collateral
damage. This was in Spring last year. It is only now, after the best
possible conditions for growth, that the bare patches are starting to
close up.

I understand that dandelions secrete a chemical which inhibits the
growth of other plants and that may partly account for the length of
time it's taken for the grass/other flowers to fill in the patches, but
I'm now inclined to take the assertion about glyphosate becoming
inactive on contact with the soil with a large pinch of sceptical salt.

I'm immensely sceptical about assertions that various plants secrete
chemicals that inhibit growth of other plants. It's said about a lot of
different trees, and in a lot of cases, absence of growth can easily be
explained by shade, lack of moisture and impoverishment of the soil.
--
Kay