I am growing Shirley tomatoes , ring culture method in a greenhouse.
I have an abundance of tomatoes, just recently I have found odd ones
which are full size and are starting to ripen have fallen off.
There is evidence of slight rot where the tom is attached to the plant
which has caused it to fall off.
I cannot find any reference to this problem anywhere.
Any views please
Peter.

"Peter C" wrote in message
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I am growing Shirley tomatoes , ring culture method in a greenhouse.
I have an abundance of tomatoes, just recently I have found odd ones
which are full size and are starting to ripen have fallen off.
There is evidence of slight rot where the tom is attached to the plant
which has caused it to fall off.
I cannot find any reference to this problem anywhere.
Any views please
Peter.

No.

My greenhouse tomatoes have good fruits but they're still green. My outdoor
tomatoes have few very green fruits.

Neighbour has four tomato plants crowded into a grow bag and housed in a
plastic 'greenhouse' which is in effect a sealed plastic bag. He's gone on
holiday and the tomatoes' environment is more than damp yet some leaves are
browning. There's no ventilation, he hasn't done any removal of side shoots
or leaves, it's just a tangle. Yet some of his Sungold ftuit (I gave him the
seedlings) are ready to pick.

Hrumph.

Mary

On Jul 26, 6:34 pm, Peter C wrote:
I am growing Shirley tomatoes , ring culture method in a greenhouse.
I have an abundance of tomatoes, just recently I have found odd ones
which are full size and are starting to ripen have fallen off.
There is evidence of slight rot where the tom is attached to the plant
which has caused it to fall off.
I cannot find any reference to this problem anywhere.
Any views please

Peter this happened to us once last year. Ours are grown in the
greenhouse in huge pots, We think it is caused by underwatering and
then overwatering. We deduced this by going away overnight during a
hot spell, when we returned the leaves were a bit limp so I gave them
copious amounts of water. They started to ripen and then fell off,
not all just some, exactly with the same black bit of rot at the
stalk. The ones that did not fall off were outside ones.

This year I haven't had a red tomato yet although the crop is big and
healthy, usually I have made pickle by now.

Judith

On 26 Jul, 20:44, "
wrote:
On Jul 26, 6:34 pm, Peter C wrote:

I am growing Shirley tomatoes , ring culture method in a greenhouse.
I have an abundance of tomatoes, just recently I have found odd ones
which are full size and are starting to ripen have fallen off.
There is evidence of slight rot where the tom is attached to the plant
which has caused it to fall off.
I cannot find any reference to this problem anywhere.
Any views please

Peter this happened to us once last year. Ours are grown in the
greenhouse in huge pots, We think it is caused by underwatering and
then overwatering. We deduced this by going away overnight during a
hot spell, when we returned the leaves were a bit limp so I gave them
copious amounts of water. They started to ripen and then fell off,
not all just some, exactly with the same black bit of rot at the
stalk. The ones that did not fall off were outside ones.

This year I haven't had a red tomato yet although the crop is big and
healthy, usually I have made pickle by now.

Judith

Thank you Judith, I am not aware I have neglected watering but on the
other hand I may have done due to the change in weather from am to pm.
This year one of my plants must have at least 50 mature tomatoes on ,
I have to tie them up. I have already had about 3 lbs off, delicious.
Peter.

On 26/7/07 23:47, in article
, "Peter C"
wrote:

On 26 Jul, 20:44, "
wrote:
On Jul 26, 6:34 pm, Peter C wrote:

I am growing Shirley tomatoes , ring culture method in a greenhouse.
I have an abundance of tomatoes, just recently I have found odd ones
which are full size and are starting to ripen have fallen off.
There is evidence of slight rot where the tom is attached to the plant
which has caused it to fall off.
I cannot find any reference to this problem anywhere.
Any views please

Peter this happened to us once last year. Ours are grown in the
greenhouse in huge pots, We think it is caused by underwatering and
then overwatering. We deduced this by going away overnight during a
hot spell, when we returned the leaves were a bit limp so I gave them
copious amounts of water. They started to ripen and then fell off,
not all just some, exactly with the same black bit of rot at the
stalk. The ones that did not fall off were outside ones.

This year I haven't had a red tomato yet although the crop is big and
healthy, usually I have made pickle by now.

Judith

Thank you Judith, I am not aware I have neglected watering but on the
other hand I may have done due to the change in weather from am to pm.
This year one of my plants must have at least 50 mature tomatoes on ,
I have to tie them up. I have already had about 3 lbs off, delicious.
Peter.


Peter, I asked Ray about this. He used to grow toms commercially. He says
it's just lack of sun and the ability to ripen and that there really isn't
anything you can do about it. There simply have not been enough sun and
light hours in some areas to satisfy the needs of the fruit. His comment is
that everyone is talking about the amount of rain we've had but that they
don't mention the poor light levels. In terms of wet, lack of sun, low
light it's possibly the worst year for tomatoes in 40 years, he thinks.
Judith is absolutely right that an erratic watering regime is bad for toms
but this year, it's probably not the cause, especially if you're satisfied
that you've been watering normally and correctly.
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

On 27 Jul, 10:52, Sacha wrote:
On 26/7/07 23:47, in article
. com, "Peter C"





wrote:
On 26 Jul, 20:44, "
wrote:
On Jul 26, 6:34 pm, Peter C wrote:

I am growing Shirley tomatoes , ring culture method in a greenhouse.
I have an abundance of tomatoes, just recently I have found odd ones
which are full size and are starting to ripen have fallen off.
There is evidence of slight rot where the tom is attached to the plant
which has caused it to fall off.
I cannot find any reference to this problem anywhere.
Any views please

Peter this happened to us once last year. Ours are grown in the
greenhouse in huge pots, We think it is caused by underwatering and
then overwatering. We deduced this by going away overnight during a
hot spell, when we returned the leaves were a bit limp so I gave them
copious amounts of water. They started to ripen and then fell off,
not all just some, exactly with the same black bit of rot at the
stalk. The ones that did not fall off were outside ones.

This year I haven't had a red tomato yet although the crop is big and
healthy, usually I have made pickle by now.

Judith

Thank you Judith, I am not aware I have neglected watering but on the
other hand I may have done due to the change in weather from am to pm.
This year one of my plants must have at least 50 mature tomatoes on ,
I have to tie them up. I have already had about 3 lbs off, delicious.
Peter.

Peter, I asked Ray about this. He used to grow toms commercially. He says
it's just lack of sun and the ability to ripen and that there really isn't
anything you can do about it. There simply have not been enough sun and
light hours in some areas to satisfy the needs of the fruit. His comment is
that everyone is talking about the amount of rain we've had but that they
don't mention the poor light levels. In terms of wet, lack of sun, low
light it's possibly the worst year for tomatoes in 40 years, he thinks.
Judith is absolutely right that an erratic watering regime is bad for toms
but this year, it's probably not the cause, especially if you're satisfied
that you've been watering normally and correctly.
--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Interesting point, (sods law) It was earlier in the year April time
when I put the young plants in and we had too much sun. I used
'Coolglass shading' to keep some of the sun out .
Regards
Peter.

On 27/7/07 16:15, in article
, "Peter C"
wrote:

On 27 Jul, 10:52, Sacha wrote:
On 26/7/07 23:47, in article
. com, "Peter C"





wrote:
On 26 Jul, 20:44, "
wrote:
On Jul 26, 6:34 pm, Peter C wrote:

I am growing Shirley tomatoes , ring culture method in a greenhouse.
I have an abundance of tomatoes, just recently I have found odd ones
which are full size and are starting to ripen have fallen off.
There is evidence of slight rot where the tom is attached to the plant
which has caused it to fall off.
I cannot find any reference to this problem anywhere.
Any views please

Peter this happened to us once last year. Ours are grown in the
greenhouse in huge pots, We think it is caused by underwatering and
then overwatering. We deduced this by going away overnight during a
hot spell, when we returned the leaves were a bit limp so I gave them
copious amounts of water. They started to ripen and then fell off,
not all just some, exactly with the same black bit of rot at the
stalk. The ones that did not fall off were outside ones.

This year I haven't had a red tomato yet although the crop is big and
healthy, usually I have made pickle by now.

Judith

Thank you Judith, I am not aware I have neglected watering but on the
other hand I may have done due to the change in weather from am to pm.
This year one of my plants must have at least 50 mature tomatoes on ,
I have to tie them up. I have already had about 3 lbs off, delicious.
Peter.

Peter, I asked Ray about this. He used to grow toms commercially. He says
it's just lack of sun and the ability to ripen and that there really isn't
anything you can do about it. There simply have not been enough sun and
light hours in some areas to satisfy the needs of the fruit. His comment is
that everyone is talking about the amount of rain we've had but that they
don't mention the poor light levels. In terms of wet, lack of sun, low
light it's possibly the worst year for tomatoes in 40 years, he thinks.
Judith is absolutely right that an erratic watering regime is bad for toms
but this year, it's probably not the cause, especially if you're satisfied
that you've been watering normally and correctly.
--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Interesting point, (sods law) It was earlier in the year April time
when I put the young plants in and we had too much sun. I used
'Coolglass shading' to keep some of the sun out .
Regards
Peter.


There are times when much of gardening is Sod's Law and this year seems to
be one of them. In a free monthly magazine about gardens and gardening,
which we get here to distribute to customers, there are two articles this
month about drought loving plants and water conservation. Even the RHS mag.
has something along those lines. ;-)
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

"Sacha" wrote in message
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On 27/7/07 16:15, in article
, "Peter C"
wrote:

On 27 Jul, 10:52, Sacha wrote:
On 26/7/07 23:47, in article
. com, "Peter C"





wrote:
On 26 Jul, 20:44, "
wrote:
On Jul 26, 6:34 pm, Peter C wrote:

I am growing Shirley tomatoes , ring culture method in a greenhouse.
I have an abundance of tomatoes, just recently I have found odd ones
which are full size and are starting to ripen have fallen off.
There is evidence of slight rot where the tom is attached to the
plant
which has caused it to fall off.
I cannot find any reference to this problem anywhere.
Any views please

Peter this happened to us once last year. Ours are grown in the
greenhouse in huge pots, We think it is caused by underwatering and
then overwatering. We deduced this by going away overnight during a
hot spell, when we returned the leaves were a bit limp so I gave them
copious amounts of water. They started to ripen and then fell off,
not all just some, exactly with the same black bit of rot at the
stalk. The ones that did not fall off were outside ones.

This year I haven't had a red tomato yet although the crop is big and
healthy, usually I have made pickle by now.

Judith

Thank you Judith, I am not aware I have neglected watering but on the
other hand I may have done due to the change in weather from am to pm.
This year one of my plants must have at least 50 mature tomatoes on ,
I have to tie them up. I have already had about 3 lbs off, delicious.
Peter.

Peter, I asked Ray about this. He used to grow toms commercially. He
says
it's just lack of sun and the ability to ripen and that there really
isn't
anything you can do about it. There simply have not been enough sun and
light hours in some areas to satisfy the needs of the fruit. His comment
is
that everyone is talking about the amount of rain we've had but that
they
don't mention the poor light levels. In terms of wet, lack of sun, low
light it's possibly the worst year for tomatoes in 40 years, he thinks.
Judith is absolutely right that an erratic watering regime is bad for
toms
but this year, it's probably not the cause, especially if you're
satisfied
that you've been watering normally and correctly.
--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Interesting point, (sods law) It was earlier in the year April time
when I put the young plants in and we had too much sun. I used
'Coolglass shading' to keep some of the sun out .
Regards
Peter.


There are times when much of gardening is Sod's Law and this year seems to
be one of them. In a free monthly magazine about gardens and gardening,
which we get here to distribute to customers, there are two articles this
month about drought loving plants and water conservation. Even the RHS
mag.
has something along those lines. ;-)
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'



Well my poor (greenhouse) toms are green and about the size of a sixpence,
so I guess there's no hope for them maturing at all. Do you think I should
just bin them now?

--
Regards
p.mc

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 19:25:45 +0100, "p.mc" wrote and
included this (or some of this):

Well my poor (greenhouse) toms are green and about the size of a sixpence,
so I guess there's no hope for them maturing at all. Do you think I should
just bin them now?

I should.

Plant some lettuce, radish etc


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"p.mc" wrote in message
...

Well my poor (greenhouse) toms are green and about the size of a sixpence,
so I guess there's no hope for them maturing at all. Do you think I should
just bin them now?

NO!

Giv e them time.

Mary

On 27 Jul, 19:51, "Mary Fisher" wrote:
"p.mc" wrote in message

...



Well my poor (greenhouse) toms are green and about the size of a sixpence,
so I guess there's no hope for them maturing at all. Do you think I should
just bin them now?

NO!

Giv e them time.

Mary



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Despite an odd one falling off. I am lucky, one plant as at least 50
tomatoes on,quite a lot are in stages of ripening and I have sampled a
few ripe ones.
Peter