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"Martin Brown" wrote in message oups.com... http://www.easthants.gov.uk/ehdc/foo...s/AdviceonRice They really are not kidding. And anyway freshly cooked rice has better texture. But you can't *slice* freshly cooked rice, can you? :-) |
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In article .com, Martin Brown writes: | | Why shouldn't you reheat rice? I have been doing it for years. | | Most of the time you will get away with it, but on the occassion that | you don't it is a potentially nasty form of poisoning as B. cereus | spores can survive cooking and grow in slowly cooled rice (and it is | rather slow to cool in bulk) are the toxins are thermally stable and | not destroyed by reheating or cooking. Compared to its distant cousin | B. anthracis (Anthrax) it is quite benign. Thanks for the reminder of that particular piece of hysteria. An almost infinitesimal chance of minor gutrot does not strike me as grounds for such a draconian solution, most especially as rice isn't all that much more likely to harbour it than any other food. Provided that you don't leave it lurking for ages at room temperature, it isn't likely to produce enough toxin to affect you. And, both in frequency and severity, it is a LONG way down the causes of gastroenteritis. See: http://www.emedicine.com/EMERG/topic213.htm | Rice cooking safety | instructions online at: | | http://www.easthants.gov.uk/ehdc/foo...s/AdviceonRice | | They really are not kidding. They are, however, making a mountain out of a molehill, to the point of being hysterical and even paranoid, as you would expect in this country. For rather calmer descriptions from rather more authoritative sources, see: http://www.nzfsa.govt.nz/science/dat...lus-cereus.pdf textbookofbacteriology.net/B.cereus.html | And anyway freshly cooked rice has better texture. Not for all dishes, and not everyone likes wasting food. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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"Uncle Marvo" wrote in message ... In reply to Mary Fisher ) who wrote this in , I, Marvo, say : "John Vanini" wrote in message ... Thanks to all for your replies. My wife was adamant that she has always cut off the green bit and I've never noticed! I can't remember who it was on TV who said not to eat any of the potato but he was so emphatic that I began to doubt my memory! Oh dear, my wife's right again! One of these days it must be my turn! Regards, John Spouse insists that on GQT he's heard that you must never, ever, eat ANY raw beans. I say it's dried red beans (who would anyway?) but he was reluctant to eat some very raw tender, slender runner beans last week. He did and we're still here. Amazing, innit! Amazing. There is nothing better than raw young broad beans out of the garden with the pods still on. I also reheat chili con carne which is a week or so old, and has been only refrigerated. 10 minutes on 40% power in the micro, then a minute on ful. I also reheat the rice, which you should NEVER do. However, I had serious Staph poisoning once a couple of years ago after eating a pack of T E S C O (spits) young beans with sweetcorn, which I washed, from Tanzania or somewhere like that. Shame on you, admiting you have shoped at Tesco, go and stand in the corner! |
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"Uncle Marvo" wrote in message ... In reply to Mary Fisher ) who wrote this in , I, Marvo, say : "Uncle Marvo" wrote in message ... However, I had serious Staph poisoning once a couple of years ago after eating a pack of T E S C O (spits) young beans with sweetcorn, Serves you right. Moral - don't shop at T*sc*. I don't. I had watched Supersize Me the night before and decided to change my nasty kebab/pie/chip-eating habits and have a healthy salad and the only place local is a mini-T E S C O. I think I probably lost at least half a stone in one jolly evening. Never again. Nearest I've come to thinking my number was called. Back on the elephant's leg kebab again now. Never hurt anyone. Never tried that. What, never had a genuine greasy Turk doner kebab from the van, large, with extra chili sauce and all the veg? You haven't lived :-) Just the thought of that would make me die!(:-) |
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"Uncle Marvo" wrote in message ... Back on the elephant's leg kebab again now. Never hurt anyone. Never tried that. What, never had a genuine greasy Turk doner kebab from the van, large, with extra chili sauce and all the veg? Nope. You haven't lived :-) I'll stay unborn then :-) Mary |
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"Martin Brown" wrote in message They really are not kidding. And anyway freshly cooked rice has better texture. Well, it depends what you want to do with it. And if you've inadvertently cooked too much should it be wasted? I'm not allowed to give it to the hens according to the Rural Affairs (used to be food and farming but they've obviously discovered something new) folk. Mary |
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"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message ... Thanks for the reminder of that particular piece of hysteria. An almost infinitesimal chance of minor gutrot does not strike me as grounds for such a draconian solution, most especially as rice isn't all that much more likely to harbour it than any other food. Provided that you don't leave it lurking for ages at room temperature, it isn't likely to produce enough toxin to affect you. I suspect (having worked in a Chinese restaurant many years ago) that it was aimed at commercial rice cookers. There were a lot of questionable practices in those days :-( Mary |
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In article , "Mary Fisher" writes: | | Thanks for the reminder of that particular piece of hysteria. | | An almost infinitesimal chance of minor gutrot does not strike me as | grounds for such a draconian solution, most especially as rice isn't | all that much more likely to harbour it than any other food. Provided | that you don't leave it lurking for ages at room temperature, it isn't | likely to produce enough toxin to affect you. | | I suspect (having worked in a Chinese restaurant many years ago) that it was | aimed at commercial rice cookers. There were a lot of questionable practices | in those days :-( Oh, yes. Sweet and sour rat, anyone? There apparently still are a continual supply of catering establishments whose owners need beating over the head but, given how many of those rules we ignore and the negligible number of problems we get, I suspect that you have to go overboard to trigger most of them. Leaving ANY food out in an overheated, humid kitchen for hours or days at a stretch is likely to cause some sort of trouble. Rice is no exception, and does not need singling out. What particular piece of hysteria causes Ruritanian Affaires to tell you not to give rice to chickens, and does it apply only if you sell the eggs? Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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Hi..
What, never had a genuine greasy Turk doner kebab from the van, large, with extra chili sauce and all the veg? Greasy? Here Turk doner kebab with an extra bonus of shredded chilli is a weekly routine - but it has never been greasy. Well I guess it was a mistake and the busy van driver took some cart grease instead of chilli sauce. By the way this is why we're used to prefer shredded chillis.. ;-) -- cu Marco, who has survived all hot chilli attacks.. |
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"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message ... What particular piece of hysteria causes Ruritanian Affaires to tell you not to give rice to chickens, and does it apply only if you sell the eggs? No. http://www.food.gov.uk/multimedia/pdfs/ACAF00113.pdf if you can be bothered, or http://www.envirowise.gov.uk/page.as...t&o=MBEN4PBHR8 or, otherwise, we're not allowed to feed kitchen or catering waste (e.g. carrot peelings, cooked rice, cheese parings) to any animal which is normally kept for human consumption, even if it is only a pet. So of course nobody, like me, with three bantams in her back garden would dream of putting out bread crumbs for sparrows and preventing the hens from getting at them - or allowing Zen, Gen and Rab to peck at a piece of cheese or roast beef dropped from my sandwich when lunching in the garden. If I hang up a few leaves of cabbage to amuse them which I've just cut from the garden I THINK that's not a problem but if I strip similar leaves from a cabbage in my kitchen I MUST NOT (on pain of something) allow the hens anywhere near them. And Mrs Italian Next Door is committing a cardinal sin by giving them cake and biscuit crumbs for a treat because she knows that we don't eat such things. No. They must only be allowed to eat grain bought at the mill and worms, spiders, flies, woodlice, snails (they're not fond of slugs), centipedes and things they can see in the soil but my old eyes can't (went to the opticians this morning and don't need new glasses). And as everyone round here knows, I wouldn't break the law under any circumstances. In fact I can understand the law, bearing in mind BSE and F&M but ... Mary |
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"Uncle Marvo" wrote in message ... However, I had serious Staph poisoning once a couple of years ago after eating a pack of T E S C O (spits) young beans with sweetcorn, which I washed, from Tanzania or somewhere like that. I've been eating their fresh peas raw and unwashed. No problems yet. |
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In article , "Mary Fisher" writes: | | What particular piece of hysteria causes Ruritanian Affaires to tell | you not to give rice to chickens, and does it apply only if you sell | the eggs? | | No. Thank you for the information. As I said in another newsgroup, a pox of Whitehall bureaucrats and a murrain of the mandarins. They can't be inflicted with BSE, because they lack the brains to infect. | http://www.food.gov.uk/multimedia/pdfs/ACAF00113.pdf | | if you can be bothered, or | | http://www.envirowise.gov.uk/page.as...t&o=MBEN4PBHR8 Yuck. That is in a loathesome yellow on black, to make it almost unreadable. | or, otherwise, we're not allowed to feed kitchen or catering waste (e.g. | carrot peelings, cooked rice, cheese parings) to any animal which is | normally kept for human consumption, even if it is only a pet. Indeed. The relevant references are http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si1999/19990646.htm http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2001/20011704.htm Actually, it doesn't apply to food waste from vegetarian households :-) | In fact I can understand the law, bearing in mind BSE and F&M but ... It is a case of demanding that every peasant nail their cat flaps shut, after government negligence caused the horse to bolt from a corporate stable. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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John Vanini wrote:
Recently, on a TV gardening program, however, we were told to throw away the whole potato as it was all poisonous. However, in this day and age, I don't trust everything I see and hear on TV. There was an article about this in New Scientist a year or so ago. The suggestion was that the whole potato would have higher levels of a toxin that meant that it was better not to eat it. However IIRC you would need to eat several stone of green potatoes before you would be in danger. As other posters have suggested cutting off the green part and not eating bitter tasting potatoes is probably a sensible approach. Pregnant women, very small children and very old people might well avoid green potatoes altogether. Two official sources of advice on this, the CSIRO one (Australian govt scientific research organisation) is much better than the UK one. http://www.foodscience.csiro.au/spuds.htm http://www.food.gov.uk/multimedia/pdfs/naturaltoxins -- James Kemp |
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Thanks James,
That's where I got the information from - the "New Scientist". I couldn't rememebr where but you've reminded me. Thanks also for the websites - I'll havea look when I can. Regards, John "J M Kemp" wrote in message ... There was an article about this in New Scientist a year or so ago. The suggestion was that the whole potato would have higher levels of a toxin that meant that it was better not to eat it. However IIRC you would need to eat several stone of green potatoes before you would be in danger. As other posters have suggested cutting off the green part and not eating bitter tasting potatoes is probably a sensible approach. Pregnant women, very small children and very old people might well avoid green potatoes altogether. Two official sources of advice on this, the CSIRO one (Australian govt scientific research organisation) is much better than the UK one. http://www.foodscience.csiro.au/spuds.htm http://www.food.gov.uk/multimedia/pdfs/naturaltoxins -- James Kemp |
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In article , Martin writes: | | Green potatoes contain a toxin that effects embryos. See my posting of: 1 Aug 2007 10:01:14 GMT, with message id . Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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