On 16 Jan, 17:18, echinosum
wrote:
A few comments on things that have been said.
(6) I've eaten ripe and very tasty berries off Amelanchier (canadensis
or lamarcki, they are quite hard to tell apart) bushes growing in a
reasonably shady spot in Oxfordshire. These need a fairly moist soil in
which to thrive. The birds love them, so they may need netting. Mine is
in a sunny dry spot, and doesn't do very well at all, it is inclined to
get its leaves scorched off.

This amelanchier is also called Juneberry and the berries are lovely,
juicy and fat and taste like apples. Mine grows under a very large and
old holly and shaded by it along with a photinia fraseri. They are
woodland plants and do well in the shade.

What about the rosa rugosa I mentioned?! Fat juicy hips, rich in
vitamin C and they can be eaten raw!

On 16/1/08 17:18, in article ,
"echinosum" wrote:


Pat Gardiner;770329 Wrote:
Is there any other fruit that might thrive?
A few comments on things that have been said.
(1) Japanese quince, ie chaenomeles japonica, (not a true quince,
Cydonia, which is what I presume you mean by Serbian quince) comes in
many different forms and varieties. Some are climbers, some are
shrubs, and many of them get quite large.
snip

I'm wondering about Myrtus. The books claim they need sun but we have some
Myrtus communis that have seeded themselves in different parts of the
garden, ranging from full sun to semi shade to morning sun only. These are
swift growing to start with then seem to slow down. One, in particular, has
seeded itself in a narrow bed, shaded by other trees and facing east. The
seeding around might be a problem but Myrtus communis tarentina is said to
be frost hardy. The berries are edible and taste a bit of strawberries. I
wonder if that would be of interest?

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

"Pat Gardiner" wrote in message
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After nearly ten years, I'm planting the last wall in the walled garden.

You can see the garden on
http://www.go-self-sufficient.com/photowalledg.htm

You can see the north wall at the far right, the inner side has the
peaches apricots, and sweet cherries.

The outer north facing surface has been cleared of vegetation and I have
planted three damsons (that I know do well on a north wall) and I have two
more spaces.

My problem is that makes five different damsons and two pairs Morellos and
Nabelas already.

It there another sharp cherry that would do OK on this wall? Is there any
other fruit that might thrive? I'm stumpted.

Thanks
Pat Gardiner
I thought you would like to know that after much discussion a Japanese
Quince has won.

Now we have to decide which one and get the correct scientific name of the
one we had twenty years ago.

Remembering that I'm a bit unreliable over colours, Mrs Pat has reliably
informed me it was pink.

She has less helpfully told me it was a Japonica.

You would expect better from the daughter, granddaughter and niece of
gardeners and horticulturalists. Her uncle was the whacky one that appeared
on TV dressed as a Mandarin in his Gloucestershire Japanese garden dedicated
to his late wife on the arm of her replacement. Not strong on tact!

I can add that I think the bush, really a hedge, had quite sharp thorns (is
that a false memory) and made especially excellent jelly with a true quince
flavour.

Can anyone pin it down to an actual variety? and if you know one a supplier?

I'm not really good on flowers, if you can't eat it I tend to lose interest,
but I have no objection to having my food look pretty.


--
Regards
Pat Gardiner
www.go-self-sufficient.com

On 21 Jan, 15:56, "Pat Gardiner" wrote:
Can anyone pin it down to an actual variety? and if you know one a supplier?

The Vranja Quince, (Cydonia oblonga as opposed to the pyrus cydonia)
is the most popular in the UK. Huge scented fruits (the Ludovic one is
similar to Vranja too in taste, scent and size). Have a look at this
link for lots of cultivars at the bottom of the article along with
suppliers (ignore the ones in the States, naturally ...).

http://www.agroforestry.co.uk/ansample.html

On 21/1/08 15:56, in article , "Pat
Gardiner" wrote:


"Pat Gardiner" wrote in message
...
After nearly ten years, I'm planting the last wall in the walled garden.

You can see the garden on
http://www.go-self-sufficient.com/photowalledg.htm

You can see the north wall at the far right, the inner side has the
peaches apricots, and sweet cherries.

The outer north facing surface has been cleared of vegetation and I have
planted three damsons (that I know do well on a north wall) and I have two
more spaces.

My problem is that makes five different damsons and two pairs Morellos and
Nabelas already.

It there another sharp cherry that would do OK on this wall? Is there any
other fruit that might thrive? I'm stumpted.

Thanks
Pat Gardiner
I thought you would like to know that after much discussion a Japanese
Quince has won.

Japanese quince is Chaenomeles japonica or C. speciosa of which there are
many named varieties. The best thing might be to Google and see once
closest in colour to what you want or better yet, go some nurseries now as
they're flowering.
Japanese quince is NOT Cydonia which is the 'true' quince with very large
fruits, making eventually a large tree. It's a beautiful tree but it is
quite rarely seen nowadays whereas Japanese quince or Chaenomeles are seen
all over the place. If you Google image search on both you'll see the
differences.

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

On 21/1/08 16:11, in article
,
" wrote:

On 21 Jan, 15:56, "Pat Gardiner" wrote:
Can anyone pin it down to an actual variety? and if you know one a supplier?

The Vranja Quince, (Cydonia oblonga as opposed to the pyrus cydonia)
is the most popular in the UK.
snip

Cydonia oblonga is not Japanese quince which is what Pat is looking for.
That is Chaenomeles.

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

On 21 Jan, 16:46, Sacha wrote:
On 21/1/08 16:11, in article
The Vranja Quince, (Cydonia oblonga as opposed to the pyrus cydonia)
is the most popular in the UK.

Cydonia oblonga is not Japanese quince which is what Pat is looking for.
That is Chaenomeles.

Oh, sorry - but why go for a chaenomeles when you want fruits, food
instead of flowers as Pat said!!? That's perhaps why I go confused.
And I beg to differ about the quince - I know many people growing
them. Maybe people today, commercially that is, don't want it or more
like they've never heard of it. Such an amazing food. If only I had
the room ...

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On 21 Jan, 15:56, "Pat Gardiner" wrote:
Can anyone pin it down to an actual variety? and if you know one a
supplier?

The Vranja Quince, (Cydonia oblonga as opposed to the pyrus cydonia)
is the most popular in the UK. Huge scented fruits (the Ludovic one is
similar to Vranja too in taste, scent and size). Have a look at this
link for lots of cultivars at the bottom of the article along with
suppliers (ignore the ones in the States, naturally ...).

http://www.agroforestry.co.uk/ansample.html

No, I know this kind of quince well. They are big like an apple tree, but
the flavour is very similar. There are several varieties, I have a couple
of Meeches Prolific - and they are prolific.

Recommended for East Anglia, clay soil with drainage. Split fruit during
droughts

I have now identified, the ones we had years ago, pretty certainly as
Chaenomeles japonica. It was as bushes under a south facing window. It was
pruned very sharply and only one year produced fruit. We shall have to see
how it does under a high north facing wall.

That fruit made a very good jelly of a very similar flavour to Meeches or
Serbian Quinces.

That is what baffled me. It is unusual for the fruits of totally different
species taste so similar.

Does anyone know why?


--
Regards
Pat Gardiner
www.go-self-sufficient.com

"Sacha" wrote in message
. uk...
On 21/1/08 15:56, in article , "Pat
Gardiner" wrote:


"Pat Gardiner" wrote in message
...
After nearly ten years, I'm planting the last wall in the walled garden.

You can see the garden on
http://www.go-self-sufficient.com/photowalledg.htm

You can see the north wall at the far right, the inner side has the
peaches apricots, and sweet cherries.

The outer north facing surface has been cleared of vegetation and I have
planted three damsons (that I know do well on a north wall) and I have
two
more spaces.

My problem is that makes five different damsons and two pairs Morellos
and
Nabelas already.

It there another sharp cherry that would do OK on this wall? Is there
any
other fruit that might thrive? I'm stumpted.

Thanks
Pat Gardiner
I thought you would like to know that after much discussion a Japanese
Quince has won.

Japanese quince is Chaenomeles japonica or C. speciosa of which there are
many named varieties. The best thing might be to Google and see once
closest in colour to what you want or better yet, go some nurseries now as
they're flowering.
Japanese quince is NOT Cydonia which is the 'true' quince with very large
fruits, making eventually a large tree. It's a beautiful tree but it is
quite rarely seen nowadays whereas Japanese quince or Chaenomeles are seen
all over the place. If you Google image search on both you'll see the
differences.

Yes, well done, that is the one, see reply above as well - thank you.


--
Regards
Pat Gardiner
www.go-self-sufficient.com

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

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On 21 Jan, 16:46, Sacha wrote:
On 21/1/08 16:11, in article
The Vranja Quince, (Cydonia oblonga as opposed to the pyrus cydonia)
is the most popular in the UK.

Cydonia oblonga is not Japanese quince which is what Pat is looking for.
That is Chaenomeles.

Oh, sorry - but why go for a chaenomeles when you want fruits, food
instead of flowers as Pat said!!? That's perhaps why I go confused.
And I beg to differ about the quince - I know many people growing
them. Maybe people today, commercially that is, don't want it or more
like they've never heard of it. Such an amazing food. If only I had
the room ...

Our postings are crossing, but if I have got it all right, the Chaenomeles
will produce very good edible fruit on a much smaller plant.

It was actually the first "quince" I tasted. Now I'm looking forward to
comparing the flavour to see the difference.

Regards Pat

In article ,
"Pat Gardiner" writes:
|
| I have now identified, the ones we had years ago, pretty certainly as
| Chaenomeles japonica. It was as bushes under a south facing window. It was
| pruned very sharply and only one year produced fruit. We shall have to see
| how it does under a high north facing wall.
|
| That fruit made a very good jelly of a very similar flavour to Meeches or
| Serbian Quinces.
|
| That is what baffled me. It is unusual for the fruits of totally different
| species taste so similar.
|
| Does anyone know why?

They're not actually that different?

Seriously. They are closer to each other than quinces are to pears,
and a LOT close than either are to apples.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

On 21 Jan, 16:59, "Pat Gardiner" wrote:
No, I know this kind of quince well. They are big like an apple tree, but
the flavour is very similar. *There are several varieties, I have a couple
of Meeches Prolific - and they are prolific.

Excellent. I would have been surprised you didn't have one!

That is what baffled me. It is unusual for the fruits of totally different
species taste so similar.
Does anyone know why?

No sorry I don't. I have a little chaenomeles japonica - found in a
bucket full of water and plasta or glue ...last year (long story).
Hasn't fruited but it's looking happy enough with delicate crimson
flowers - against the white wall it's beautiful.

Pat Gardiner wrote:
"Sacha" wrote in message
. uk...
On 21/1/08 15:56, in article , "Pat
Gardiner" wrote:

"Pat Gardiner" wrote in message
...
After nearly ten years, I'm planting the last wall in the walled garden.

You can see the garden on
http://www.go-self-sufficient.com/photowalledg.htm

You can see the north wall at the far right, the inner side has the
peaches apricots, and sweet cherries.

The outer north facing surface has been cleared of vegetation and I have
planted three damsons (that I know do well on a north wall) and I have
two
more spaces.

My problem is that makes five different damsons and two pairs Morellos
and
Nabelas already.

It there another sharp cherry that would do OK on this wall? Is there
any
other fruit that might thrive? I'm stumpted.

Thanks
Pat Gardiner
I thought you would like to know that after much discussion a Japanese
Quince has won.

Japanese quince is or C. speciosa of which there are
many named varieties. The best thing might be to Google and see once
closest in colour to what you want or better yet, go some nurseries now as
they're flowering.
Japanese quince is NOT Cydonia which is the 'true' quince with very large
fruits, making eventually a large tree. It's a beautiful tree but it is
quite rarely seen nowadays whereas Japanese quince or Chaenomeles are seen
all over the place. If you Google image search on both you'll see the
differences.

Yes, well done, that is the one, see reply above as well - thank you.



To my mind the chaenomeles japonica fruit is inedible, even after a bout
in the pressure cooker and equal amounts of sugar. Every year I collect
the fruit with good intentions, and every year I end up dumping it.
Mine thrives on a west facing, but quite shady, fence

On 21/1/08 16:56, in article
,
" wrote:

On 21 Jan, 16:46, Sacha wrote:
On 21/1/08 16:11, in article
The Vranja Quince, (Cydonia oblonga as opposed to the pyrus cydonia)
is the most popular in the UK.

Cydonia oblonga is not Japanese quince which is what Pat is looking for.
That is Chaenomeles.

Oh, sorry - but why go for a chaenomeles when you want fruits, food
instead of flowers as Pat said!!? That's perhaps why I go confused.
And I beg to differ about the quince - I know many people growing
them. Maybe people today, commercially that is, don't want it or more
like they've never heard of it. Such an amazing food. If only I had
the room ...

You can use the Japanese quinces to make jelly. Cydonias are lovely but
take up a LOT more room.
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

On 21/1/08 18:26, in article ,
"Stuart Noble" wrote:

Pat Gardiner wrote:
"Sacha" wrote in message
. uk...
On 21/1/08 15:56, in article , "Pat
Gardiner" wrote:

"Pat Gardiner" wrote in message
...
After nearly ten years, I'm planting the last wall in the walled garden.

You can see the garden on
http://www.go-self-sufficient.com/photowalledg.htm

You can see the north wall at the far right, the inner side has the
peaches apricots, and sweet cherries.

The outer north facing surface has been cleared of vegetation and I have
planted three damsons (that I know do well on a north wall) and I have
two
more spaces.

My problem is that makes five different damsons and two pairs Morellos
and
Nabelas already.

It there another sharp cherry that would do OK on this wall? Is there
any
other fruit that might thrive? I'm stumpted.

Thanks
Pat Gardiner
I thought you would like to know that after much discussion a Japanese
Quince has won.

Japanese quince is or C. speciosa of which there are
many named varieties. The best thing might be to Google and see once
closest in colour to what you want or better yet, go some nurseries now as
they're flowering.
Japanese quince is NOT Cydonia which is the 'true' quince with very large
fruits, making eventually a large tree. It's a beautiful tree but it is
quite rarely seen nowadays whereas Japanese quince or Chaenomeles are seen
all over the place. If you Google image search on both you'll see the
differences.

Yes, well done, that is the one, see reply above as well - thank you.



To my mind the chaenomeles japonica fruit is inedible, even after a bout
in the pressure cooker and equal amounts of sugar. Every year I collect
the fruit with good intentions, and every year I end up dumping it.
Mine thrives on a west facing, but quite shady, fence

Make jelly, it's lovely. I think they do best on a wall or fence because I
think they look a bit untidy and straggly otherwise. Just my view, though.
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'