I have just bought two little cast iron tables which will live outside
in a sun trap beside a teak bench. The two tables (coffee mug/wine
glass size) are the wrong colour, painted in a sort of chalky white
which rubs off slightly, and I am planning on painting them glossy
black with an anti-rust specialised paint. I am just wondering if
people here might have any wisdom as to what preparation I need to do
(beyond usual pre-painting sanding and wiping down), whether it's best
to use distinct anti rust, then special enamel type paint, and
generally what is the best I can do to keep them in good nick outdoors
in all weather? They're small, so repainting every so often is not an
issue, but I don't want rust stains on clothes after only a few weeks!
Any wisdom much appreciated.

Cat(h)

"Cat(h)" wrote in message
...
I have just bought two little cast iron tables which will live outside
in a sun trap beside a teak bench. The two tables (coffee mug/wine
glass size) are the wrong colour, painted in a sort of chalky white
which rubs off slightly, and I am planning on painting them glossy
black with an anti-rust specialised paint. I am just wondering if
people here might have any wisdom as to what preparation I need to do
(beyond usual pre-painting sanding and wiping down), whether it's best
to use distinct anti rust, then special enamel type paint, and
generally what is the best I can do to keep them in good nick outdoors
in all weather? They're small, so repainting every so often is not an
issue, but I don't want rust stains on clothes after only a few weeks!
Any wisdom much appreciated.

Cat(h)

Are they cast Iron? or cast Aluminium? We have just bought a patio/veranda
table which 'looks, feels and acts' like cast Iron, but is in fact cast
Aluminium

:-)

The point is, that if yours is the same, it won't rust :-))

Mike

On 14/5/08 16:56, in article
, "Cat(h)"
wrote:

I have just bought two little cast iron tables which will live outside
in a sun trap beside a teak bench. The two tables (coffee mug/wine
glass size) are the wrong colour, painted in a sort of chalky white
which rubs off slightly, and I am planning on painting them glossy
black with an anti-rust specialised paint. I am just wondering if
people here might have any wisdom as to what preparation I need to do
(beyond usual pre-painting sanding and wiping down), whether it's best
to use distinct anti rust, then special enamel type paint, and
generally what is the best I can do to keep them in good nick outdoors
in all weather? They're small, so repainting every so often is not an
issue, but I don't want rust stains on clothes after only a few weeks!
Any wisdom much appreciated.

Cat(h)

We had ours repainted using that car touch up paint you can buy in spray
cans. The chap who did it, did all the prep, painted them, then left them
to dry off for a few days before we used them. Buy a small tarp from e.g.
Homebase and cover them with that in winter or wet weather, or bring them
indoors and use them as occasional tables or little bedside tables/corner of
a bathroom/ in winter. Or of course, put them in a dry shed. ;-)

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

On May 14, 5:12*pm, Sacha wrote:
On 14/5/08 16:56, in article
, "Cat(h)"

wrote:
I have just bought two little cast iron tables which will live outside
in a sun trap beside a teak bench. *The two tables (coffee mug/wine
glass size) are the wrong colour, painted in a sort of chalky white
which rubs off slightly, and I am planning on painting them glossy
black with an anti-rust specialised paint. *I am just wondering if
people here might have any wisdom as to what preparation I need to do
(beyond usual pre-painting sanding and wiping down), whether it's best
to use distinct anti rust, then special enamel type paint, and
generally what is the best I can do to keep them in good nick outdoors
in all weather? *They're small, so repainting every so often is not an
issue, but I don't want rust stains on clothes after only a few weeks!
Any wisdom much appreciated.

Cat(h)

We had ours repainted using that car touch up paint you can buy in spray
cans. *The chap who did it, did all the prep, painted them, then left them
to dry off for a few days before we used them. *Buy a small tarp from e.g.
Homebase and cover them with that in winter or wet weather, or bring them
indoors and use them as occasional tables or little bedside tables/corner of
a bathroom/ in winter. *Or of course, put them in a dry shed. *;-)

--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

Hmm. Spraypaint sounds like a good (and slightly more painless) idea
- and of course, storing them away in a dry place is easy because they
are only small.
Also, Mike might have a point as to the actual metal they are made of.
I will enquire from the store I bought them in. They were selling
genuine cast iron stuff, most of it outside, some of it
extraordinarily rusty, and weighing tonnes! I was thinking to myself
that my wee tables, while a quite acceptable and nicely stable weight
(they don't wobble at all), were not proportionally as heavy as some
of the other stuff, nor quite so rusty.

Cat(h)

"Cat(h)" wrote in message
...
On May 14, 5:12 pm, Sacha wrote:
On 14/5/08 16:56, in article
, "Cat(h)"

wrote:
I have just bought two little cast iron tables which will live outside
in a sun trap beside a teak bench. The two tables (coffee mug/wine
glass size) are the wrong colour, painted in a sort of chalky white
which rubs off slightly, and I am planning on painting them glossy
black with an anti-rust specialised paint. I am just wondering if
people here might have any wisdom as to what preparation I need to do
(beyond usual pre-painting sanding and wiping down), whether it's best
to use distinct anti rust, then special enamel type paint, and
generally what is the best I can do to keep them in good nick outdoors
in all weather? They're small, so repainting every so often is not an
issue, but I don't want rust stains on clothes after only a few weeks!
Any wisdom much appreciated.

Cat(h)

We had ours repainted using that car touch up paint you can buy in spray
cans. The chap who did it, did all the prep, painted them, then left them
to dry off for a few days before we used them. Buy a small tarp from e.g.
Homebase and cover them with that in winter or wet weather, or bring them
indoors and use them as occasional tables or little bedside tables/corner
of
a bathroom/ in winter. Or of course, put them in a dry shed. ;-)

--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

Hmm. Spraypaint sounds like a good (and slightly more painless) idea
- and of course, storing them away in a dry place is easy because they
are only small.
Also, Mike might have a point as to the actual metal they are made of.
I will enquire from the store I bought them in. They were selling
genuine cast iron stuff, most of it outside, some of it
extraordinarily rusty, and weighing tonnes! I was thinking to myself
that my wee tables, while a quite acceptable and nicely stable weight
(they don't wobble at all), were not proportionally as heavy as some
of the other stuff, nor quite so rusty.

Cat(h)

You might try Plasti-Kote I'm warming to the stuff. I've been using
it for a little over 12 months and I haven't seen any rust penetration
on tools and outside jobs I've sprayed if you fish around its cheaper
than hammerite I got mine from a Paintmaster Store IIRC £3 for
400ml
Derek

On May 14, 9:55*pm, "Derek"
wrote:
"Cat(h)" wrote in message

...
On May 14, 5:12 pm, Sacha wrote:





On 14/5/08 16:56, in article
, "Cat(h)"

wrote:
I have just bought two little cast iron tables which will live outside
in a sun trap beside a teak bench. The two tables (coffee mug/wine
glass size) are the wrong colour, painted in a sort of chalky white
which rubs off slightly, and I am planning on painting them glossy
black with an anti-rust specialised paint. I am just wondering if
people here might have any wisdom as to what preparation I need to do
(beyond usual pre-painting sanding and wiping down), whether it's best
to use distinct anti rust, then special enamel type paint, and
generally what is the best I can do to keep them in good nick outdoors
in all weather? They're small, so repainting every so often is not an
issue, but I don't want rust stains on clothes after only a few weeks!
Any wisdom much appreciated.

Cat(h)

We had ours repainted using that car touch up paint you can buy in spray
cans. The chap who did it, did all the prep, painted them, then left them
to dry off for a few days before we used them. Buy a small tarp from e.g..
Homebase and cover them with that in winter or wet weather, or bring them
indoors and use them as occasional tables or little bedside tables/corner
of
a bathroom/ in winter. Or of course, put them in a dry shed. ;-)

--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

Hmm. *Spraypaint sounds like a good (and slightly more painless) idea
- and of course, storing them away in a dry place is easy because they
are only small.
Also, Mike might have a point as to the actual metal they are made of.
I will enquire from the store I bought them in. *They were selling
genuine cast iron stuff, most of it outside, some of it
extraordinarily rusty, and weighing tonnes! *I was thinking to myself
that my wee tables, while a quite acceptable and nicely stable weight
(they don't wobble at all), were not proportionally as heavy as some
of *the other stuff, nor quite so rusty.

Cat(h)

You might try Plasti-Kote I'm warming to the stuff. I've been using
it for a little over 12 months and I haven't seen any rust penetration
on tools and outside jobs I've sprayed if you fish around its cheaper
than hammerite I got mine from a Paintmaster Store IIRC £3 for
400ml
Derek- Hide quoted text -

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Thanks Derek (and Sacha and Mike) for some good suggestions and tips.
I'll have lovely spray plastikoted glossy black wee tables (probably
cast alu) by the end of the week end :-)

Cat(h)

Thanks Derek (and Sacha and Mike) for some good suggestions and tips.
I'll have lovely spray plastikoted glossy black wee tables (probably
cast alu) by the end of the week end :-)

Cat(h)
.................................................. ..........

:-))

My pleasure :-)

Mike

On Thu, 15 May 2008 17:04:44 +0200, Martin wrote
and included this (or some of this):

On Thu, 15 May 2008 05:42:39 -0700 (PDT), "Cat(h)" wrote:

Thanks Derek (and Sacha and Mike) for some good suggestions and tips.
I'll have lovely spray plastikoted glossy black wee tables (probably
cast alu) by the end of the week end :-)

Cast alu needs a different primer.

Even with Hammerite????

--
®óñ© © ²°¹°-°²

"Martin" wrote in message
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On Thu, 15 May 2008 05:42:39 -0700 (PDT), "Cat(h)"
wrote:

Thanks Derek (and Sacha and Mike) for some good suggestions and tips.
I'll have lovely spray plastikoted glossy black wee tables (probably
cast alu) by the end of the week end :-)

Cast alu needs a different primer.
--

Martin


Isn't a paint covering already on there? Only need primer if going back to
bare metal. (Yellow Chromate from memory)

'IF' the table has been sand blasted back to bare metal, then the sand
blaster will know to prime it PDQ before it oxidises in the air :-((

Mike

On May 15, 4:52*pm, "'Mike'" wrote:
"Martin" wrote in message

...

On Thu, 15 May 2008 05:42:39 -0700 (PDT), "Cat(h)"
wrote:

Thanks Derek (and Sacha and Mike) for some good suggestions and tips.
I'll have lovely spray plastikoted glossy black wee tables (probably
cast alu) by the end of the week end :-)

Cast alu needs a different primer.
--

Martin

Isn't a paint covering already on there? Only need primer if going back to
bare metal. (Yellow Chromate from memory)

'IF' the table has been sand blasted back to bare metal, then the sand
blaster will know to prime it PDQ before it oxidises in the air :-((

Mike

Yes, they are painted, and I can confirm that they are cast alu (shop
confirmed).
The paint covering is an annoyingly chalky white which rubs off a
powdery residue, and I plan to recolour it in glossy black. So, by
the looks of things, no need to prime. I therefore plan to sand
lightly to give key, wipe down with a damp cloth, let dry, then
Plastikote or Hammerite (as per whatever brand is available at local
hardware store) with a glossy black spray metal pain, maybe give it a
few coats, then let it dry, and then put a large glass of chilled
Petit Chablis on one of them, and my feet on the other, to
congratulate myself on a job well done :-)

Cat(h)

"Martin" wrote in message
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On Thu, 15 May 2008 16:37:22 +0100, ®óñ© © ²°¹°-°²
wrote:

On Thu, 15 May 2008 17:04:44 +0200, Martin wrote
and included this (or some of this):

On Thu, 15 May 2008 05:42:39 -0700 (PDT), "Cat(h)"
wrote:

Thanks Derek (and Sacha and Mike) for some good suggestions and tips.
I'll have lovely spray plastikoted glossy black wee tables (probably
cast alu) by the end of the week end :-)

Cast alu needs a different primer.

Even with Hammerite????

They must have some reason for selling this

"Special Metals Primer

Hammerite Special Metals Primer promotes adhesion of Hammerite Metal
PaintT on
non-rusting metal surfaces such as aluminum, galvanized and stainless
steel,
chrome, brass and copper. Quick and easy to use. Only 1 coat required.
Touch dry
in 1 hour. Topcoat can be applied after 1-2 hours."
--

Martin


The important word here, is "PRIMER", i.e., for use on bare metal. These are
usually done with an 'etch' primer where the paint actually eats into the
metal and acts as a key for the next coat. These tables have already been
painted and it must be assumed, 'assumed' note, that they have had their
etch primer on. However, "IF" the paint starts peeling off back to bare
metal, then the etch primer is NOT on there and for a proper job, the whole
thing will need to be sand blasted or dipped back to bare metal and start
again.

I EXPECT, that they have been done and therefore a quick rub down and spray
should be satisfactory

Hope that helps.

(Years in the Boat and Ship Building industry :-)

Mike