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The following story, regarding my Father-in-law is quite a tale.

Please view our website and if like us you feel that Jim deserves to
win this fight please feel welcome to write to us or post a message on
our forum, or sign our petition (links on our website)




Here is a brief resume of the story.


Jim is 76 and an avid gardener, he has been providing fruit, veg and
eggs for family and friends most of his life.


Since the passing away of his beloved wife 2 years ago, Jim has found
comfort in his allotment, spending every day immersed in his only
interest, gardening.


Early last year Jim applied to his parish council for permission to
place a small polly tunnel on his beloved plot, thus enabling him to
bring on seeds early and allow him the luxury of more hours in the
colder months.


The parish council denied his request, At the next PC meeting Jim
questioned about why, they failed to give him an acceptable reason,
Jim pressed for an answer again, the PC chairman stated the reason
being was they dont like poly tunnels and were in fact
blatantly rude to him telling Jim (like a naughty schoolboy) to shut
up sit down or get out.


Now from a planning point of view Jim didnt actually need their
permission, as a 12x13 Polly tunnel is below the minimum size, + a
poly tunnel is a modern day green house and can be as important to
any gardener / allotmenteer as a fork and hoe, it is infact another
tool.


Upon recommendation from the solicitor for the NSALG.Ltd (National
Society of Allotments and Leisure Gardeners) Jim built his plastic
covered green house.


All Jim wanted was to open dialogue, and receive an acceptable reason
for the refusal plus, now combined with an apology from the PC for
the humiliating treatment, of him, in front of others at the meeting.


This has now become a saga of intimidation, bullying, and
contradictions by the parish council and at the last meeting of this
week Jim has been told he must give up his allotment.


Please read Jims story and send your letters or emails in to support
him, we desperately need help to crush these bullies.


We are in the process of building a website displaying the full truth
behind this unhappy story, it contains evidence and correspondence to
date, and if the full truth be known it will show this PC to be
nothing more than dictators who relish their power on others, why?
Because they can.


See The TV interview here http://www.itvlocal.com/westcountry/news/?
player=WCT_News_15&void=188799


Then Read the truth here


www.savejimsallotment.co.uk.


Thank you with all our hearts


Regards


Phil and Suzanne and family
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Don't know who put the website together for you but it has a lot of
mistakes including spelling and the pictures don't come up. i think
you'd get more support if people could see the actual structure etc. and
also read the story on the front page.

Janet

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"Janet Tweedy" wrote in message
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Don't know who put the website together for you but it has a lot of
mistakes including spelling and the pictures don't come up. i think you'd
get more support if people could see the actual structure etc. and also
read the story on the front page.


I think it is more the case that if you saw the actual structure - any
support would melt away !

Sceptical about the whole "sad" story.

Regards
Pete
www.thecanalshop.com


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On 30/5/08 10:52, in article , "Pete
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"Janet Tweedy" wrote in message
...
Don't know who put the website together for you but it has a lot of
mistakes including spelling and the pictures don't come up. i think you'd
get more support if people could see the actual structure etc. and also
read the story on the front page.


I think it is more the case that if you saw the actual structure - any
support would melt away !

Sceptical about the whole "sad" story.

Regards
Pete
www.thecanalshop.com


I'd hate to think of someone of 76 being chucked off their allotment, so I
really hope it doesn't come to that. But what is going to be difficult to
argue against is that he signed up to abide by the rules of that particular
allotment society. ;-( I'm assuming the PC think that if they allow one
person to have a plastic tunnel, everyone will be entitled to one and
they're not the prettiest things to see if you happen to overlook them.
Perhaps allotmenteers here will tell us what they're allowed to do on their
plots. I'll have to go and have a look at our local allotments but I don't
think there are any tunnels or glasshouses there, though there are some
sheds. BTW, I can't open the second row of photos, which includes one of
the tunnel.


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http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'


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"Sacha" wrote in message
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I think it is more the case that if you saw the actual structure - any
support would melt away !

Sceptical about the whole "sad" story.

Regards
Pete
www.thecanalshop.com


I'd hate to think of someone of 76 being chucked off their allotment, so I
really hope it doesn't come to that. But what is going to be difficult to
argue against is that he signed up to abide by the rules of that
particular
allotment society. ;-( I'm assuming the PC think that if they allow one
person to have a plastic tunnel, everyone will be entitled to one and
they're not the prettiest things to see if you happen to overlook them.
Perhaps allotmenteers here will tell us what they're allowed to do on
their
plots. I'll have to go and have a look at our local allotments but I
don't
think there are any tunnels or glasshouses there, though there are some
sheds. BTW, I can't open the second row of photos, which includes one of
the tunnel.


--

BTW ---Same here !
I can't make out what those posts on the first row are doing either.
Regards
Pete
www.thecanalshop.com




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In article , Anne Jackson
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The message from Janet Tweedy contains these words:

Don't know who put the website together for you but it has a lot of
mistakes including spelling and the pictures don't come up. i think
you'd get more support if people could see the actual structure etc. and
also read the story on the front page.


I have no problem seeing the photos, Janet - but had a problem when
I tried to re-enter the site.


I saw the initial photos but the final lot were not being called up from
wherever they are stored.

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Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk
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"Janet Tweedy" wrote in message
...
In article , Anne Jackson
writes
The message from Janet Tweedy contains these
words:

Don't know who put the website together for you but it has a lot of
mistakes including spelling and the pictures don't come up. i think
you'd get more support if people could see the actual structure etc. and
also read the story on the front page.


I have no problem seeing the photos, Janet - but had a problem when
I tried to re-enter the site.


I saw the initial photos but the final lot were not being called up from
wherever they are stored.


Wrote Anne

I could have sworn that there was a photo of the actual 'structure'
in there, first time I looked, but can't see it any longer - has
someone removed it recently?

No - it is just a bit hidden

Try

http://allotment5andahalf.wordpress..../filmcrew0054/


The final lot seem to be there now.

Regards
Pete
www.thecanalshop.com


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On 31/5/08 21:14, in article , "Pete
Stockdale" wrote:


"Janet Tweedy" wrote in message
...
In article , Anne Jackson
writes
The message from Janet Tweedy contains these
words:

Don't know who put the website together for you but it has a lot of
mistakes including spelling and the pictures don't come up. i think
you'd get more support if people could see the actual structure etc. and
also read the story on the front page.

I have no problem seeing the photos, Janet - but had a problem when
I tried to re-enter the site.


I saw the initial photos but the final lot were not being called up from
wherever they are stored.


Wrote Anne

I could have sworn that there was a photo of the actual 'structure'
in there, first time I looked, but can't see it any longer - has
someone removed it recently?

No - it is just a bit hidden

Try

http://allotment5andahalf.wordpress..../filmcrew0054/


The final lot seem to be there now.


I see a film crew, some fairly unidentifiable construction/s and not much
else. I do not see a polytunnel. There is a question that I'd like to ask
about this dispute. Do any houses overlook the allotments? I'm just
wondering if the rule against greenhouses or polytunnels was made so as not
to spoil a view?
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http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'


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"Sacha" wrote in message
...
On 31/5/08 21:14, in article ,
"Pete
Stockdale" wrote:


"Janet Tweedy" wrote in message
...
In article , Anne Jackson
writes
The message from Janet Tweedy contains these
words:

Don't know who put the website together for you but it has a lot of
mistakes including spelling and the pictures don't come up. i think
you'd get more support if people could see the actual structure etc.
and
also read the story on the front page.

I have no problem seeing the photos, Janet - but had a problem when
I tried to re-enter the site.

I saw the initial photos but the final lot were not being called up from
wherever they are stored.


Wrote Anne

I could have sworn that there was a photo of the actual 'structure'
in there, first time I looked, but can't see it any longer - has
someone removed it recently?

No - it is just a bit hidden

Try

http://allotment5andahalf.wordpress..../filmcrew0054/


The final lot seem to be there now.


I see a film crew, some fairly unidentifiable construction/s and not much
else. I do not see a polytunnel. There is a question that I'd like to
ask
about this dispute. Do any houses overlook the allotments? I'm just
wondering if the rule against greenhouses or polytunnels was made so as
not
to spoil a view?



--

Interesting questions !

I would like to ask what is the function of the posts in the top line of
photos ?

http://www.savejimsallotment.co.uk/i...7thoct_006.jpg

Everything straight and even umm ? too !

Regards
Pete

www.thecananshop.com


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about this dispute. Do any houses overlook the allotments? I'm just
wondering if the rule against greenhouses or polytunnels was made so as not
to spoil a view?
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South Devon
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children.'
Just tell the council that if they continue with their harassment you'll take them to court for infringing your human rights................................It works for criminals so why not law abiding people, at least it would make them stop and think. evil grin


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On 30 May, 07:48, "
wrote:
We are in the process of building a website displaying the full truth
behind this unhappy story, it contains evidence and correspondence to
date, and if the full truth be known it will show this PC to be
nothing more than dictators who relish their power on others, why?
Because they can.


You all must have been very unhappy at the decision of the committee
and I've seen for many many years similar reactions when it comes to
decisions like these. It is indeed sad that Jim wasn't granted
permission but this shouldn't stop him carrying on gardening, growing
his vegs and enjoying the allotment life which is a life line to many
but also a refuge and a wonderful place to spend time with family/
friends.

On my allotment the same rules apply. Any structures built must have
planning permission - it has nothing to do with 'beauty', nor who will
see it from nearby housing, it is to do with safety, height and a rule
for all on the allotment. Shading is a factor too if you share a 10
rods, and built in between two sharing plots. The shade from the
structure will reduce the growing space for the other etc.

You are right in saying that if permission is given to one, then
everybody will built all sorts of dangerous structures hence we now
leave it to the planning dept, with the committee comments, to decide.
With today's insurances and liability the allotment must make sure
that it is safe for all. On this basis, which has nothing to do with
personnality, if the structure to start with has no application with a
rough design with height and width clearly mentioned, material used
and position of the new structure, the permission to built will not be
granted. It has happened to us last year - it was a nasty saga, but in
the end the allotmenteer removed tons of materials, which included
bricks, concrete flags, a cement mixer ...! and various sizes of glass
panes, poles, planks etc which he had salvaged from skips over many
month. In the end he had no space to grow anything and clearly he had
no clue about where to start building his structure and to what
purpose.

He has now a little shed like everyone else, but we haven't seen him
much. I think building was his thing, rather than growing!
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Hi Sacha

Couple of points you bought up....first the allotment is only
overlooked by one house, owned by another allotmenteer who has no
probs with the now plastic greenhouse and also in fac signed the
petition in support of my father last year.

The other point,,,, the new rule, we discovered...was bought in
strictly against my father, no other reason. There had been no rules
since 1930!!!

Hope this helps

Thanks for your interest

Sacha wrote:

On 31/5/08 21:14, in article , "Pete
Stockdale" wrote:


"Janet Tweedy" wrote in message
...
In article , Anne Jackson
writes
The message from Janet Tweedy contains these
words:

Don't know who put the website together for you but it has a lot of
mistakes including spelling and the pictures don't come up. i think
you'd get more support if people could see the actual structure etc. and
also read the story on the front page.

I have no problem seeing the photos, Janet - but had a problem when
I tried to re-enter the site.

I saw the initial photos but the final lot were not being called up from
wherever they are stored.


Wrote Anne

I could have sworn that there was a photo of the actual 'structure'
in there, first time I looked, but can't see it any longer - has
someone removed it recently?

No - it is just a bit hidden

Try

http://allotment5andahalf.wordpress..../filmcrew0054/


The final lot seem to be there now.


I see a film crew, some fairly unidentifiable construction/s and not much
else. I do not see a polytunnel. There is a question that I'd like to ask
about this dispute. Do any houses overlook the allotments? I'm just
wondering if the rule against greenhouses or polytunnels was made so as not
to spoil a view?
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

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