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Sorry, it's one of my nitpicks.. this organic doesn't use chemicals. Apart
from the fact that *everything* is a chemical, organic does allow the use
of certain 'man-made' 'chemicals' I'm all for using the minimum and
whenever possible working with Mother Nature rather than fighting against
her and am against the *reliance* upon 'chemicals' but this blanket "don't
use chemicals' approach is plain wrong.

And it turns out to be a "don't use *some* chemicals". The Soil Assocation
allows some copper compounds, rotenone, sulphur and soft soap.
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Exactly.

mogga wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 22:03:22 +0100, "Pete C"
wrote:



K wrote:
mogga writes
So can I still eat the spuds if it's glycowhatsit or other
plantkiller? Is it worth digging them up?

It's unlikely to be glyphosate because that is a systemic - the
plant has to absorb it into its system first. In other words, you
wouldn't see any effect on the plants for at least a week. So,
basically, you don' know what killed them. I don't think I'd eat
them if they were mine.
I beg to differ. Over the last 6 months, I've used 'a lot' of
Roundup, and see effects in 36/48 hours. And no, I wouldn't eat the
spuds either.


http://www.flickr.com/photos/25345470@N02/3629091868/
Does that fit in with weedkiller?
Well, never having sprayed Roundup on spuds, I couldn't be sure, but I'd say
probably not. I used RU on bindweed, and the leaves go pale yellow and
wither. Def. not brown as yours.
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London UK

On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 17:12:18 +0200, David in Normandy
wrote:

mogga wrote:


http://www.flickr.com/photos/25345470@N02/3629091868/


They don't look very happy.


they're not. I suspect they need a funeral.
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On 2009-06-14 20:26:52 +0100, David in Normandy
said:

snip

Organic gardening is something I aspire towards but haven't quite made
it. snip

Organic gardening doesn't mean no chemicals whatsoever, though. It
means that many are not permitted and that some are. It 'severely
restricts' the use of pesticides - this does not mean a total ban but
strict control.
There is a slightly naive/smug tendency prevailing that promotes the
notion that NO 'treatment' of food crops or others, is allowed. Not
so. This site may give a perspective on the matter:
http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Issue/pn58/pn58p6.htm

_
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South Devon

Sacha wrote:
On 2009-06-14 20:26:52 +0100, David in Normandy
said:

snip

Organic gardening is something I aspire towards but haven't quite made
it. snip

Organic gardening doesn't mean no chemicals whatsoever, though. It
means that many are not permitted and that some are. It 'severely
restricts' the use of pesticides - this does not mean a total ban but
strict control.
There is a slightly naive/smug tendency prevailing that promotes the
notion that NO 'treatment' of food crops or others, is allowed. Not
so. This site may give a perspective on the matter:
http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Issue/pn58/pn58p6.htm


Thanks Sacha, Interesting read. At the end of the article it also
mentions the problems of needing to clean all the inorganic fertilisers
and pesticides out of drinking water. That is one reason we don't use
our well. Many wells in Normandy have high concentrations of such
pollutants. We are surrounded by fields and the lowest drain point of
those fields is to our well.


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On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 17:55:13 +0100, "Pete C"
wrote:



mogga wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 22:03:22 +0100, "Pete C"
wrote:



K wrote:
mogga writes
So can I still eat the spuds if it's glycowhatsit or other
plantkiller? Is it worth digging them up?

It's unlikely to be glyphosate because that is a systemic - the
plant has to absorb it into its system first. In other words, you
wouldn't see any effect on the plants for at least a week. So,
basically, you don' know what killed them. I don't think I'd eat
them if they were mine.
I beg to differ. Over the last 6 months, I've used 'a lot' of
Roundup, and see effects in 36/48 hours. And no, I wouldn't eat the
spuds either.


http://www.flickr.com/photos/25345470@N02/3629091868/
Does that fit in with weedkiller?
Well, never having sprayed Roundup on spuds, I couldn't be sure, but I'd say
probably not. I used RU on bindweed, and the leaves go pale yellow and
wither. Def. not brown as yours.


http://www.flickr.com/photos/25345470@N02/3632480558/
a spud - brown patches on it

and just to show how stupid I am...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/25345470@N02/3631665263/
magic beans required I think...
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Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote:
In message , wafflycat
writes

"Bobbie" wrote in message
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wafflycat wrote:

"Bobbie" wrote in message
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David in Normandy wrote:
mogga wrote:

So can I still eat the spuds if it's glycowhatsit or other
plantkiller? Is it worth digging them up?


Can't give a definitive answer. The ultra safe answer is not to
them and dig them up for the compost heap. However, I've eaten
some potatoes from plants that had a "glancing blow" while
spraying weeds alongside. The plants survived but were poorly for
a while. The potatoes themselves looked superficially ok and
tasted normal, but I noticed they did not keep well.

However, you can't be sure it was glyphosate or something more
obnoxious? On that basis I wouldn't eat them and just compost them.

The normal practice is to keep different sprayers. One
specifically for weedkillers. Alternatively, to always thoroughly
wash out after using a weedkiller.


Better still, give up using chemicals and pesticides. Go Green, go
organic. So much better for you and the environment.
I have a large garden, and a my husband has a good sized vegetable
garden, we don't use any chemicals. The veg are doing well and so
are the flower beds.

Bobbie

Water is a chemical. I hope you haven't given up using that ;-)

Ah, butt.! We have rain water butts wherever we can put a drainage
pipe. We use them for perforated hose irrigation in places and
always use rain water whenever lime is not recommended. John has
also utilised rain water butts to set up a kind of capillary
watering system for the green house to water the tomatoes and
cucumbers. We do live in a hard water area.
I do drink tap water, will I die?

Bobbie;-)

Be careful, you never know.. ;-)

http://www.dhmo.org/


Sorry, it's one of my nitpicks.. this organic doesn't use chemicals.
Apart from the fact that *everything* is a chemical, organic does
allow the use of certain 'man-made' 'chemicals' I'm all for using the
minimum and whenever possible working with Mother Nature rather than
fighting against her and am against the *reliance* upon 'chemicals'
but this blanket "don't use chemicals' approach is plain wrong.

And it turns out to be a "don't use *some* chemicals". The Soil
Assocation allows some copper compounds, rotenone, sulphur and soft soap.

With respect that certainly applies to commercial growers and those who
wish to sell *organic* produce.
I am referring only to my own garden, and no doubt if I was faced with
the kind of conditions that require treatment, I too would no doubt turn
to the more accepted forms of chemicals. I would also point out that
Copper and sulphur occur
naturally in the soil, and rotenone and soft soap are of natural origin.
I did also state that although it was not too difficult to apply the *no
chemical rule* to my own garden that it is an entirely different matter
applying it to an allotment, where each plot owner would have his own
rules. Spray drift and the carrying of pesticides on shoes, is something
that cannot be regulated against with ease on the allotments.

Bobbie

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mogga wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 17:55:13 +0100, "Pete C"
wrote:



mogga wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 22:03:22 +0100, "Pete C"
wrote:



K wrote:
mogga writes
So can I still eat the spuds if it's glycowhatsit or other
plantkiller? Is it worth digging them up?

It's unlikely to be glyphosate because that is a systemic - the
plant has to absorb it into its system first. In other words, you
wouldn't see any effect on the plants for at least a week. So,
basically, you don' know what killed them. I don't think I'd eat
them if they were mine.
I beg to differ. Over the last 6 months, I've used 'a lot' of
Roundup, and see effects in 36/48 hours. And no, I wouldn't eat the
spuds either.


http://www.flickr.com/photos/25345470@N02/3629091868/
Does that fit in with weedkiller?
Well, never having sprayed Roundup on spuds, I couldn't be sure, but
I'd say probably not. I used RU on bindweed, and the leaves go pale
yellow and wither. Def. not brown as yours.


http://www.flickr.com/photos/25345470@N02/3632480558/
a spud - brown patches on it

and just to show how stupid I am...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/25345470@N02/3631665263/
magic beans required I think...
Yep, beans look rounded up
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Pete C
London UK

On Jun 16, 7:58*pm, "Pete C" wrote:
mogga wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 17:55:13 +0100, "Pete C"
wrote:

mogga wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 22:03:22 +0100, "Pete C"
wrote:

K wrote:
mogga writes
So can I still eat the spuds if it's glycowhatsit or other
plantkiller? Is it worth digging them up?

It's unlikely to be glyphosate because that is a systemic - the
plant has to absorb it into its system first. In other words, you
wouldn't see any effect on the plants for at least a week. So,
basically, you don' know what killed them. I don't think I'd eat
them if they were mine.
I beg to differ. Over the last 6 months, I've used 'a lot' of
Roundup, and see effects in 36/48 hours. And no, I wouldn't eat the
spuds either.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/25345470@N02/3629091868/
Does that fit in with weedkiller?
Well, never having sprayed Roundup on spuds, I couldn't be sure, but
I'd say probably not. I used RU on bindweed, and the leaves go pale
yellow and wither. Def. not brown as yours.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/25345470@N02/3632480558/
a spud - brown patches on it

and just to show how stupid I am...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/25345470@N02/3631665263/
magic beans required I think...

Yep, beans look rounded up
--
Pete C
London UK

Pete, OT for this thread but how are the C. Lucifer?

Judith

On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:58:32 +0100, "Pete C"
wrote:



and just to show how stupid I am...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/25345470@N02/3631665263/
magic beans required I think...
Yep, beans look rounded up


So how much roundup do you need to do that? A drop?
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