On 24/05/2012 22:18, Alan Holmes wrote:
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I bought a squirrel cage trap from Amazon and caught a squirrel within
10 minutes of leaving the trap open in the garden.

Once caught I quickly realised that I didn't have it in me to kill the
squirrel - as destructive as they are in chewing timber frame houses
and damaging plants and trees.

and that's what you need to think about when you get a trap and get one,
your target. Now what will you do?
Please don't trap, unless you can kill them yourself, or get someone in,
quickly, who can.

You do NOt HAVE to kill them directly, if you just leave the buggers in the
trap, after a short while, they will die anyway!

Alan



I think you will find that that is a prosecutable offence Alan

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I bought a squirrel cage trap from Amazon and caught a squirrel within
10 minutes of leaving the trap open in the garden.

Once caught I quickly realised that I didn't have it in me to kill the
squirrel - as destructive as they are in chewing timber frame houses
and damaging plants and trees.

and that's what you need to think about when you get a trap and get one,
your target. Now what will you do?
Please don't trap, unless you can kill them yourself, or get someone in,
quickly, who can.

You do NOt HAVE to kill them directly, if you just leave the buggers in
the trap, after a short while, they will die anyway!

Alan
What, from thirst or hunger? Totally unacceptable. If I was forced to
trap, what I caught was shot very quickly.
I would never leave anything in a trap to die there and your suggestion that
you can seems that you have no heart.
Sickens me.

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"Alan Holmes" wrote in message
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"Christina Websell" wrote in message
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"Baz" wrote in message
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"Gareth" wrote in
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I bought a squirrel cage trap from Amazon and caught a squirrel within
10 minutes of leaving the trap open in the garden.

Once caught I quickly realised that I didn't have it in me to kill the
squirrel - as destructive as they are in chewing timber frame houses
and damaging plants and trees.

and that's what you need to think about when you get a trap and get one,
your target. Now what will you do?
Please don't trap, unless you can kill them yourself, or get someone in,
quickly, who can.

You do NOt HAVE to kill them directly, if you just leave the buggers in
the trap, after a short while, they will die anyway!

Alan
What, from thirst or hunger? Totally unacceptable. If I was forced to
trap, what I caught was shot very quickly.

But there are a number of us who do not have acess to a gun, and in any case
with some traps you would have to shoot the damned things several times
before you managed to kill it, so is this any more cruel that letting the
thing die anyway

I would never leave anything in a trap to die there and your suggestion
that you can seems that you have no heart.
Sickens me.

I just have feeling for the animals who suffer slowly fron these vermin!

Alan

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"Gareth" wrote in
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I bought a squirrel cage trap from Amazon and caught a squirrel
within
10 minutes of leaving the trap open in the garden.

Once caught I quickly realised that I didn't have it in me to kill
the
squirrel - as destructive as they are in chewing timber frame houses
and damaging plants and trees.

and that's what you need to think about when you get a trap and get
one, your target. Now what will you do?
Please don't trap, unless you can kill them yourself, or get someone
in, quickly, who can.

You do NOt HAVE to kill them directly, if you just leave the buggers in
the trap, after a short while, they will die anyway!

Alan
What, from thirst or hunger? Totally unacceptable. If I was forced to
trap, what I caught was shot very quickly.

But there are a number of us who do not have acess to a gun, and in any
case with some traps you would have to shoot the damned things several
times before you managed to kill it, so is this any more cruel that
letting the thing die anyway

If you cannot give the animal you trap a dignified quick death, you should
not be trapping them. Full stop.
I can't believe I am having this conversation.

On 27/05/2012 16:05, Alan Holmes wrote:
"Christina wrote in message
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"Alan wrote in message
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"Christina wrote in message
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wrote in message
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wrote in
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I bought a squirrel cage trap from Amazon and caught a squirrel within
10 minutes of leaving the trap open in the garden.

Once caught I quickly realised that I didn't have it in me to kill the
squirrel - as destructive as they are in chewing timber frame houses
and damaging plants and trees.

and that's what you need to think about when you get a trap and get one,
your target. Now what will you do?
Please don't trap, unless you can kill them yourself, or get someone in,
quickly, who can.

You do NOt HAVE to kill them directly, if you just leave the buggers in
the trap, after a short while, they will die anyway!

Alan
What, from thirst or hunger? Totally unacceptable. If I was forced to
trap, what I caught was shot very quickly.

But there are a number of us who do not have acess to a gun, and in any case
with some traps you would have to shoot the damned things several times
before you managed to kill it, so is this any more cruel that letting the
thing die anyway

I would never leave anything in a trap to die there and your suggestion
that you can seems that you have no heart.
Sickens me.

I just have feeling for the animals who suffer slowly fron these vermin!

Alan




Even drowning them would be kinder than leaving them too die.

Would starving them of oxygen in a plastic bag be humane?

On Sun, 27 May 2012 20:09:38 +0100, David Hill
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Even drowning them would be kinder than leaving them too die.

Wasn't someone prosecuted for drowning squirrels last year or the year
before?

Cheers, Jake
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Urgling from the asylum formerly known as the
dry end of Swansea Bay.

On Sun, 27 May 2012 19:28:52 +0000, snowathlete
wrote:

Would starving them of oxygen in a plastic bag be humane?

No.

Cheers, Jake
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Urgling from the asylum formerly known as the
dry end of Swansea Bay.

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On Mon, 28 May 2012 08:57:56 +0100, Jake
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On Sun, 27 May 2012 19:28:52 +0000, snowathlete
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Would starving them of oxygen in a plastic bag be humane?

No.

Why are grey squirrels tree rats and red squirrels cuddly little
animals?

Back in the day when red squirrels were regarded as forestry pests, and
shooting clubs were given subsidised ammo to help solve the problem, the
people who wanted rid of them called red squirrels tree rats, too. Given
that there are no longer sufficient red squirrels for them to be thought of
as a pest, the term has been adopted by those who want to get rid of grey
squirrels - often expanded to North American Tree Rats to appeal to
xenophobic tendencies as well.

It's simple, really - if a species of animal thrives in current
circumstances, you can be confident that some folk will eventually consider
them to be undesirable. For example, populations of deer, grey squirrels,
badgers, foxes, magpies, buzzards, sparrowhawk, eagle owls and so on,
especially if the 'non-native' black spot can be applied to them. OTOH, if a
species is failing in current circumstances, such that they can only survive
by dint of well meaning human intervention, they tend to be elevated to
iconic status and spoken of in positive terms, even though it is quite a
stretch to describe a ruthless predator like an adult osprey as "cuddly",
although otters seem to manage it.

Some species have a foot (or claw) in both camps, of course. For example,
there are some people who will go to great lengths to preserve Harriers, and
others who seem prepared to go to equal lengths to destroy them.

But even if a person thinks an animal is a pest or vermin, that must be
controlled for the greater good, that surely does not justify trapping
and/or killing them in an inhumane fashion, unless in exceptional
circumstances, e.g. if one's own life is directly threatened.

People who are unwilling or unable to check traps frequently, or to kill
their victims humanely, should leave the job to others who will do it
properly.

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I bought a squirrel cage trap from Amazon and caught a squirrel
within
10 minutes of leaving the trap open in the garden.

Once caught I quickly realised that I didn't have it in me to kill
the
squirrel - as destructive as they are in chewing timber frame houses
and damaging plants and trees.

and that's what you need to think about when you get a trap and get
one, your target. Now what will you do?
Please don't trap, unless you can kill them yourself, or get someone
in, quickly, who can.

You do NOt HAVE to kill them directly, if you just leave the buggers in
the trap, after a short while, they will die anyway!

Alan
What, from thirst or hunger? Totally unacceptable. If I was forced to
trap, what I caught was shot very quickly.

But there are a number of us who do not have acess to a gun, and in any
case with some traps you would have to shoot the damned things several
times before you managed to kill it, so is this any more cruel that
letting the thing die anyway

If you cannot give the animal you trap a dignified quick death, you should
not be trapping them. Full stop.
I can't believe I am having this conversation.

How quick is quick?

Just asking.

Alan

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On 2012-05-27 16:05:17 +0100, "Alan Holmes"
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"Alan Holmes" wrote in message
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"Christina Websell" wrote in
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"Baz" wrote in message
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"Gareth" wrote in
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I bought a squirrel cage trap from Amazon and caught a squirrel
within
10 minutes of leaving the trap open in the garden.

Once caught I quickly realised that I didn't have it in me to kill
the
squirrel - as destructive as they are in chewing timber frame houses
and damaging plants and trees.

and that's what you need to think about when you get a trap and get
one,
your target. Now what will you do?
Please don't trap, unless you can kill them yourself, or get someone
in,
quickly, who can.

You do NOt HAVE to kill them directly, if you just leave the buggers in
the trap, after a short while, they will die anyway!

Alan
What, from thirst or hunger? Totally unacceptable. If I was forced to
trap, what I caught was shot very quickly.

But there are a number of us who do not have acess to a gun, and in any
case
with some traps you would have to shoot the damned things several times
before you managed to kill it, so is this any more cruel that letting the
thing die anyway

I would never leave anything in a trap to die there and your suggestion
that you can seems that you have no heart.
Sickens me.

I just have feeling for the animals who suffer slowly fron these vermin!

Alan

But those predators don't know anything else. We're the top of the chain
predator and we do. It's our responsibility NOT to let animals suffer, if
we can possibly avoid it. You can't tell a child not to torment any
animal, wild or domestic, or pull wings off flies, if you rejoice in the
slow and painful death of an animal you happen not to like.

I do not rejoice in making a rodent die slowly, but how quick a death is
resonable?

Alan


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Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
www.hillhousenurserytearoom.com
South Devon

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On 27/05/2012 16:05, Alan Holmes wrote:
"Christina wrote in message
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"Alan wrote in message
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"Christina wrote in
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wrote in message
.. .
wrote in
:

I bought a squirrel cage trap from Amazon and caught a squirrel
within
10 minutes of leaving the trap open in the garden.

Once caught I quickly realised that I didn't have it in me to kill
the
squirrel - as destructive as they are in chewing timber frame houses
and damaging plants and trees.

and that's what you need to think about when you get a trap and get
one,
your target. Now what will you do?
Please don't trap, unless you can kill them yourself, or get someone
in,
quickly, who can.

You do NOt HAVE to kill them directly, if you just leave the buggers in
the trap, after a short while, they will die anyway!

Alan
What, from thirst or hunger? Totally unacceptable. If I was forced to
trap, what I caught was shot very quickly.

But there are a number of us who do not have acess to a gun, and in any
case
with some traps you would have to shoot the damned things several times
before you managed to kill it, so is this any more cruel that letting the
thing die anyway

I would never leave anything in a trap to die there and your suggestion
that you can seems that you have no heart.
Sickens me.

I just have feeling for the animals who suffer slowly fron these vermin!

Alan




Even drowning them would be kinder than leaving them too die.

Some years ago the RSPCA said the only way to kill squirrels was to drown
them, then a coupe of years ago the took a man to court for doing just that.

I think their mind was changed after the Screws of the World made a big fuss
about the keepers at Buck House who used to drown the buggers, but it only
takes 8 seconds so I cannot understand the problem.

Alan

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On Sun, 27 May 2012 19:28:52 +0000, snowathlete
wrote:

Would starving them of oxygen in a plastic bag be humane?

No.

Why not?

Alan

"Martin" wrote in message
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On Mon, 28 May 2012 08:57:56 +0100, Jake
wrote:

On Sun, 27 May 2012 19:28:52 +0000, snowathlete
wrote:

Would starving them of oxygen in a plastic bag be humane?

No.

Why are grey squirrels tree rats and red squirrels cuddly little
animals?

Because the grey squirrels kill birds!

Alan

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On Mon, 28 May 2012 11:32:36 +0200, Martin wrote:

On Mon, 28 May 2012 08:57:56 +0100, Jake
wrote:

On Sun, 27 May 2012 19:28:52 +0000, snowathlete
wrote:

Would starving them of oxygen in a plastic bag be humane?

No.

Why are grey squirrels tree rats and red squirrels cuddly little
animals?

I would ask the same question. Humans introduced grey squirrels into
the country. In their own place they are not a problem; just here they
carry a virus that kills the native reds. That isn't their fault.

I think you will find it was not humans who introduced then but one stupid
bugger who did not want to pay to keep them any more!

Alan