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Guess The New Beechgrove Presenter
Have a guess who the new presenter on Beechgrove Garden might be. Then
check out: http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandsty...rove-garden-tv Bet you were wrong! Cheers, Jake ======================================= Urgling from the East End of Swansea Bay where sometimes it's raining and sometimes it's not. |
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"The Original Jake" wrote
Have a guess who the new presenter on Beechgrove Garden might be. Then check out: http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandsty...rove-garden-tv Bet you were wrong! Yes I was, but at least he holds an M.A. in Landscape Architecture and also taught at a Horticultural College if my memory serves me right. -- Regards. Bob Hobden. Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK |
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On 08/02/2013 22:42, Martin wrote:
On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 20:45:47 +0000, The Original Jake wrote: On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 00:07:21 +0100, Martin wrote: One of the joys of Beechgrove was that it didn't need a front man. On his web site, Chris says he'll be traveling around Scotland. I hope this means he won't be a "front man" but will fit in with the team. And talking about adverts, I do wonder how many people are aware of the little hidden gem on BBC2 on Sunday mornings - the A-Z of TV gardening. I wasn't. I never anything so daft as Monty in a straw hat driving a 2CV between French gardens on TV this evening. I get the feeling he'd really like to wear petticoats |
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On Fri, 8 Feb 2013 Martin wrote:
On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 20:45:47 +0000, The Original Jake wrote: On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 00:07:21 +0100, Martin wrote: One of the joys of Beechgrove was that it didn't need a front man. On his web site, Chris says he'll be traveling around Scotland. I hope this means he won't be a "front man" but will fit in with the team. And talking about adverts, I do wonder how many people are aware of the little hidden gem on BBC2 on Sunday mornings - the A-Z of TV gardening. I wasn't. I never anything so daft as Monty in a straw hat driving a 2CV between French gardens on TV this evening. Actually I enjoyed the programme very much. What on earth was daft about it? David -- David Rance writing from Caversham, Reading, UK |
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On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 09:43:34 +0000, David Rance wrote:
On Fri, 8 Feb 2013 Martin wrote: On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 20:45:47 +0000, The Original Jake wrote: On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 00:07:21 +0100, Martin wrote: One of the joys of Beechgrove was that it didn't need a front man. On his web site, Chris says he'll be traveling around Scotland. I hope this means he won't be a "front man" but will fit in with the team. And talking about adverts, I do wonder how many people are aware of the little hidden gem on BBC2 on Sunday mornings - the A-Z of TV gardening. I wasn't. I never anything so daft as Monty in a straw hat driving a 2CV between French gardens on TV this evening. Actually I enjoyed the programme very much. What on earth was daft about it? Lord his French was awful. He was actually quite insulting to several of the characters. Especially the nice lady with the allotment who was doing her best to be a really good sport. Not to mention the onion farmer, where Monty insisted they were the "best" even when the guy said "the sweetest." I love to cook with Cevennes onions but they don't exactly replace the classic yellow. And the end: this guy's hotel and "first garden" is the most beautiful kitchen garden in France? That's just silly, and we thought it reeked of sponsorship or kickback. And all the BS about (mispronounced) paysans, honestly. We certainly enjoyed the scenery, summer in the south and all that. Good stuff when you're stuck here in the mud! But that straw hat... -E -- Gardening in Lower Normandy |
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On 2013-02-09 19:42:55 +0000, Emery Davis said:
On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 09:43:34 +0000, David Rance wrote: On Fri, 8 Feb 2013 Martin wrote: On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 20:45:47 +0000, The Original Jake wrote: On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 00:07:21 +0100, Martin wrote: One of the joys of Beechgrove was that it didn't need a front man. On his web site, Chris says he'll be traveling around Scotland. I hope this means he won't be a "front man" but will fit in with the team. And talking about adverts, I do wonder how many people are aware of the little hidden gem on BBC2 on Sunday mornings - the A-Z of TV gardening. I wasn't. I never anything so daft as Monty in a straw hat driving a 2CV between French gardens on TV this evening. Actually I enjoyed the programme very much. What on earth was daft about it? Lord his French was awful. He was actually quite insulting to several of the characters. Especially the nice lady with the allotment who was doing her best to be a really good sport. Not to mention the onion farmer, where Monty insisted they were the "best" even when the guy said "the sweetest." I love to cook with Cevennes onions but they don't exactly replace the classic yellow. And the end: this guy's hotel and "first garden" is the most beautiful kitchen garden in France? That's just silly, and we thought it reeked of sponsorship or kickback. And all the BS about (mispronounced) paysans, honestly. We certainly enjoyed the scenery, summer in the south and all that. Good stuff when you're stuck here in the mud! But that straw hat... -E In the first episode, which is the only one I saw all the way through, he just said 'Bien' a lot. It would be better for everyone's credibility if they just did a straightforward programme. He doesn't speak French, or if he does, they're not allowing him to do so. Take the programme in which the Italian chef, Giorgio Locatelli and English art expert, Andrew Graham-Dixon, toured Italy. The Englishman really could speak Italian well and was allowed to do so. Viewers aren't total idiots! Chucking in the odd 'oui' and 'merci' really doesn't do it for anyone! And we're pretty sure the 2CV changed number plates halfway through! Just cut the gimmicks, programme makers. And the music PLEASE. Oh - and give us plant names onscreen. Thank you. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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On Sat, 9 Feb 2013 Sacha wrote:
In the first episode, which is the only one I saw all the way through, he just said 'Bien' a lot. It would be better for everyone's credibility if they just did a straightforward programme. He doesn't speak French, or if he does, they're not allowing him to do so. In fact you do hear French from him. I've just looked at the second programme again and, in both programmes, he does speak quite a bit of French. Take the programme in which the Italian chef, Giorgio Locatelli and English art expert, Andrew Graham-Dixon, toured Italy. The Englishman really could speak Italian well and was allowed to do so. Yes, that was a good series. And we're pretty sure the 2CV changed number plates halfway through! There are two 2CVs. He uses one when in the north of France and the other in the south. I suppose that emphasises just how large a country it is and that it would take too long to actually drive from the north to the south! They didn't explain that but then why should they? And the music PLEASE. The choice of music was very good, I thought. It didn't irritate me as the music in some television programmes. In additional to the traditional French accordion-type music (whether played on the accordion or not) there was some Verdi (La Forza del destino), Fauré and Satie. Tastefully done and not too repetitive. Some programmes repeat the same bit of music again and again. While there was a little repetition it wasn't obtrusive. David -- David Rance writing from Caversham, Reading, UK |
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In article ,
David Rance wrote: On Sat, 9 Feb 2013 Sacha wrote: And we're pretty sure the 2CV changed number plates halfway through! There are two 2CVs. He uses one when in the north of France and the other in the south. I suppose that emphasises just how large a country it is and that it would take too long to actually drive from the north to the south! They didn't explain that but then why should they? pedantry France is much larger than Britain in area, but the distance between extreme points in the contiguous homeland is comparable. If you were having a series on the UK, driving from Cornwall to Caithness in a CV-like object would be insane. Which doesn't deny your point. /pedantry Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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On 2013-02-10 08:27:49 +0000, Martin said:
On Sat, 9 Feb 2013 22:45:01 +0000, Sacha wrote: On 2013-02-09 19:42:55 +0000, Emery Davis said: On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 09:43:34 +0000, David Rance wrote: On Fri, 8 Feb 2013 Martin wrote: On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 20:45:47 +0000, The Original Jake wrote: On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 00:07:21 +0100, Martin wrote: One of the joys of Beechgrove was that it didn't need a front man. On his web site, Chris says he'll be traveling around Scotland. I hope this means he won't be a "front man" but will fit in with the team. And talking about adverts, I do wonder how many people are aware of the little hidden gem on BBC2 on Sunday mornings - the A-Z of TV gardening. I wasn't. I never anything so daft as Monty in a straw hat driving a 2CV between French gardens on TV this evening. Actually I enjoyed the programme very much. What on earth was daft about it? Lord his French was awful. He was actually quite insulting to several of the characters. Especially the nice lady with the allotment who was doing her best to be a really good sport. Not to mention the onion farmer, where Monty insisted they were the "best" even when the guy said "the sweetest." I love to cook with Cevennes onions but they don't exactly replace the classic yellow. And the end: this guy's hotel and "first garden" is the most beautiful kitchen garden in France? That's just silly, and we thought it reeked of sponsorship or kickback. And all the BS about (mispronounced) paysans, honestly. We certainly enjoyed the scenery, summer in the south and all that. Good stuff when you're stuck here in the mud! But that straw hat... -E In the first episode, which is the only one I saw all the way through, he just said 'Bien' a lot. It would be better for everyone's credibility if they just did a straightforward programme. He doesn't speak French, or if he does, they're not allowing him to do so. Take the programme in which the Italian chef, Giorgio Locatelli and English art expert, Andrew Graham-Dixon, toured Italy. The Englishman really could speak Italian well and was allowed to do so. Viewers aren't total idiots! Chucking in the odd 'oui' and 'merci' really doesn't do it for anyone! And we're pretty sure the 2CV changed number plates halfway through! Just cut the gimmicks, programme makers. And the music PLEASE. Oh - and give us plant names onscreen. Thank you. It's 'Allo 'Allo set in French gardens with a touch Delboy French. Well, as I say, we think he does the big programmes well and his enthusiasm is rather engaging. But it's the gimmicky stuff that gets to us, such as the 2CV and the jacket and the hat etc. It's just not necessary and implies that they don't think the programme is good enough on its own merits. Just let the man present French gardens without the props. He knows his subject, it seems to be well-researched and it isn't necessary to add the nonsense to make us realise he's in FRANCE looking at FRENCH gardens! -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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On Sat, 9 Feb 2013 Emery Davis wrote:
On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 09:43:34 +0000, David Rance wrote: On Fri, 8 Feb 2013 Martin wrote: I never anything so daft as Monty in a straw hat driving a 2CV between French gardens on TV this evening. I've just watched that programme again and I'm going to disagree with you. Lord his French was awful. No, It wasn't that bad. Don't criticise him for not getting everything completely right. He was actually quite insulting to several of the characters. Especially the nice lady with the allotment who was doing her best to be a really good sport. That's not true. He wasn't insulting at all. What made you think that? Not to mention the onion farmer, where Monty insisted they were the "best" even when the guy said "the sweetest." No, Monty started off by saying that he understood they were the best onions. The guy then corrected him by saying they were the sweetest. And all the BS about (mispronounced) paysans, honestly. He pronounced it in two different ways. One was when he was using it as an English word in an English sentence. The other, which was a correct pronunciation, was when he was explaining what the French word implied. We certainly enjoyed the scenery, summer in the south and all that. I wonder that you didn't criticise the southern accents! "Bieng" for "bien" and "jardaing" for "jardin!. ;-) Judging by all the unjustified criticisms I don't think that any of you really paid full attention to the programme. David -- David Rance writing from Caversham, Reading, UK |
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On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 11:34:34 +0000, David Rance wrote:
On Sat, 9 Feb 2013 Emery Davis wrote: On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 09:43:34 +0000, David Rance wrote: On Fri, 8 Feb 2013 Martin wrote: I never anything so daft as Monty in a straw hat driving a 2CV between French gardens on TV this evening. I've just watched that programme again and I'm going to disagree with you. Lord his French was awful. No, It wasn't that bad. Don't criticise him for not getting everything completely right. It was disgraceful. I don't criticise him for trying -- which most French really appreciate -- but when he's going to repeat words over and over, imparting his wisdom, at least he could take the time to get it right. What I criticise him for is seemingly not understanding half of what was said to him, but pretending he did... He was actually quite insulting to several of the characters. Especially the nice lady with the allotment who was doing her best to be a really good sport. That's not true. He wasn't insulting at all. What made you think that? .... and that's why he was insulting. He didn't know how to respond, and so he "talked past" people, with no connection. Culturally, he dissed her. I'll bet that woman went home and said quel culduc. Not to mention the onion farmer, where Monty insisted they were the "best" even when the guy said "the sweetest." No, Monty started off by saying that he understood they were the best onions. The guy then corrected him by saying they were the sweetest. I seem to remember him grunting in response with no apparent understanding, but I certainly didn't record it! And all the BS about (mispronounced) paysans, honestly. He pronounced it in two different ways. One was when he was using it as an English word in an English sentence. The other, which was a correct pronunciation, was when he was explaining what the French word implied. He explained the mythic, dictionary definition of the word. In modern French "paysan" means farmer, no more or less. Yes there can be a connotation of deeper culture, but someone who says "je suis paysan" is _not_ saying "I'm a peasant", he's saying "I'm a farmer." "Peasant" in the English sense is probably better translated as "plouc." We certainly enjoyed the scenery, summer in the south and all that. I wonder that you didn't criticise the southern accents! "Bieng" for "bien" and "jardaing" for "jardin!. ;-) Well, I'm told I sound like a Swiss when I speak French, so I certainly can't fault any regional accents! It's a nice compliment anyway, 10 years ago I sounded like a Belgian!! Judging by all the unjustified criticisms I don't think that any of you really paid full attention to the programme. We watched it, which is probably all they care about. But I won't watch it again. I'm glad you enjoyed it, and hope you continue to do so. But for me, too many issues, and Monty came off as an a*se. -- Gardening in Lower Normandy |
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On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 Emery Davis wrote:
On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 11:34:34 +0000, David Rance wrote: On Sat, 9 Feb 2013 Emery Davis wrote: On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 09:43:34 +0000, David Rance wrote: On Fri, 8 Feb 2013 Martin wrote: I never anything so daft as Monty in a straw hat driving a 2CV between French gardens on TV this evening. I've just watched that programme again and I'm going to disagree with you. Lord his French was awful. No, It wasn't that bad. Don't criticise him for not getting everything completely right. It was disgraceful. I don't criticise him for trying -- which most French really appreciate -- but when he's going to repeat words over and over, imparting his wisdom, at least he could take the time to get it right. What I criticise him for is seemingly not understanding half of what was said to him, but pretending he did... He was actually quite insulting to several of the characters. Especially the nice lady with the allotment who was doing her best to be a really good sport. That's not true. He wasn't insulting at all. What made you think that? ... and that's why he was insulting. He didn't know how to respond, and so he "talked past" people, with no connection. Culturally, he dissed her. I'll bet that woman went home and said quel culduc. Sorry, that just doesn't describe the conversation I heard. Culduc? That doesn't appear to have made it into Larousse (and that has all the three star naughty words). "Cul" I know to be rude but "culduc"? Perhaps it's in "Le parler normand" but my copy is in Normandy. Not to mention the onion farmer, where Monty insisted they were the "best" even when the guy said "the sweetest." No, Monty started off by saying that he understood they were the best onions. The guy then corrected him by saying they were the sweetest. I seem to remember him grunting in response with no apparent understanding, but I certainly didn't record it! You can "catch up with it on the iplayer" (as they say!). Er, sorry no, as you're in France I don't think you can. Pity! Monty's response was actually to repeat the word "doux" in acceptance of the correction. And all the BS about (mispronounced) paysans, honestly. He pronounced it in two different ways. One was when he was using it as an English word in an English sentence. The other, which was a correct pronunciation, was when he was explaining what the French word implied. He explained the mythic, dictionary definition of the word. In modern French "paysan" means farmer, no more or less. Yes there can be a connotation of deeper culture, but someone who says "je suis paysan" is _not_ saying "I'm a peasant", he's saying "I'm a farmer." "Peasant" in the English sense is probably better translated as "plouc." There is no strict equivalent in English to "paysan". It is not the same as the English farmer with his vast acres, nor is it a peasant. The nearest we have is "small farmer" or "small-holder". We have one such three doors up the road from us at Le Mesnil Villement with about twenty head of cattle. In fact our own house belonged to such a person. And our neighbour who drove his 2CV in a straw hat and bleu de travail was also a "paysan". (Actually he had to get rid of his 2CV and get a Renault 4L because he couldn't get a sheep into the 2CV!) He acted as the local slaughterer of sheep. When my wife and I were teaching we were asked to find an exchange family for a Muslim brother and sister and we found some people down in the village. The family wanted to give them and a few neighbours a kind of méchoui and Jules was called in to slaughter the sheep. Because the youngsters were Muslim it had to be done according to Muslim rules which also included saying a prayer as it was being killed. Fortunately, the way Jules did the killing was in accordance with halal and the boy was old enough to say the prayer. I just can't see that being done in a modern English village. David -- David Rance writing from Caversham, Reading, UK http://rance.org.uk |
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BBC loves making programmes where a large part of the
programme is filmed in a car. This really irritates me, especially in gardening programmes Time to film Top Gear in the garden then |
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