On 2013-09-01 16:53:58 +0000, Janet said:

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Not so long ago I told Ray that I'd read of a wholesale nursery going
belly up. Today, he learned a bit more about it and said it was
because it had a £3 million order from a supermarket chain which
suddenly decided to halve that order. Then it said that if they potted
the remaining order on, they might buy them. They didn't.
Personally, I don't understand why anyone puts their entire future and
livelihood into the hands of one customer. But neither do I understand
the morals of a customer who will do that to a supplier.

Why make it about morality? It's about business, what the
supermarket can sell, to customers whose choices are led by the weather
and the economy. If there's a late cold spring, down goes the demand for
tender plug plants and GYO salad trays. When budgets are feeling the
pinch paying bills and buying food, customers may spend less on hanging
baskets or pots of bulbs in flower.

It may be very lovely for you, a comfortably off non-working
housewife with a car to spend more time during the day, and more money,
shopping in small businesses. Don't you realise it's a luxury to have
such means and opportunity, one denied to many working parents on a very
tight budget. They need to shop outside working hours. How many small
bakers, butchers and grocers stay open in the evening? Even if they
did, what does a single working parent do with the tired children as
s/he trails them a mile or two from shop to shop ? Carrying the
shopping, because small shops don't have a great big car park, and
trolleys with child seats.


Janet.

What a lot of assumptions you do make, Janet. You know much less than
you think about my life now, or in the past.

I know what you just posted from that moral pedestal;

"The more I hear of this sort of thing, the less inclined I am to use
supermarkets and am minded to go back to the old days of shopping at
small individual shops for every need, wherever possible. It's less
convenient, it takes longer and it may well be a bit more expensive"


Janet

God forbid I should make my own choices about when, where and how to
spend my money.

The point I made is that having that choice is a privilege.

Janet

Everyone has the choice of where and how they spend their money,
whatever the source of that money. Don't play the class card, Janet.
Your life is not lived in tower block hell; your husband and sons have
or had jobs in extremely well paid professions and you have had the
luxury of making choices about where and how you live and shop. My
views are my own, as are my choices and I stand by them without
pretending to be something I'm not,.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon

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What a lot of assumptions you do make, Janet. You know much less than
you think about my life now, or in the past.

I know what you just posted from that moral pedestal;

"The more I hear of this sort of thing, the less inclined I am to use
supermarkets and am minded to go back to the old days of shopping at
small individual shops for every need, wherever possible. It's less
convenient, it takes longer and it may well be a bit more expensive"


Janet

God forbid I should make my own choices about when, where and how to
spend my money.

The point I made is that having that choice is a privilege.

Janet

Everyone has the choice of where and how they spend their money,
whatever the source of that money.

Rubbish. Those with less money have no choice but to shop where its
cheapest. Which is never, those little independent shops which can't
match supermarket prices. The independents survive only where there are
enough customers affluent enough to pay more.

Don't play the class card, Janet.

I haven't; you repeatedly do.

Your life is not lived in tower block hell; your husband and sons have
or had jobs in extremely well paid professions and you have had the
luxury of making choices about where and how you live and shop.

Exactly! It is you, not me, playing some imaginary class game. But
(unlike you) I do not labour under the delusion that everybody has the
same choices you or I do.

Janet

Janet, 'Upstairs' are not aware and don't give two hoots about how
'Downstairs' struggle. Unless they have been 'Downstairs' themselves at some
time. Different kettle of fish then.

Mike




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What a lot of assumptions you do make, Janet. You know much less than
you think about my life now, or in the past.

I know what you just posted from that moral pedestal;

"The more I hear of this sort of thing, the less inclined I am to use
supermarkets and am minded to go back to the old days of shopping at
small individual shops for every need, wherever possible. It's less
convenient, it takes longer and it may well be a bit more expensive"


Janet

God forbid I should make my own choices about when, where and how to
spend my money.

The point I made is that having that choice is a privilege.

Janet

Everyone has the choice of where and how they spend their money,
whatever the source of that money.

Rubbish. Those with less money have no choice but to shop where its
cheapest. Which is never, those little independent shops which can't
match supermarket prices. The independents survive only where there are
enough customers affluent enough to pay more.

Don't play the class card, Janet.

I haven't; you repeatedly do.

Your life is not lived in tower block hell; your husband and sons have
or had jobs in extremely well paid professions and you have had the
luxury of making choices about where and how you live and shop.

Exactly! It is you, not me, playing some imaginary class game. But
(unlike you) I do not labour under the delusion that everybody has the
same choices you or I do.

Janet

On 02/09/2013 13:49, 'Mike' wrote:

Janet, 'Upstairs' are not aware and don't give two hoots about how
'Downstairs' struggle. Unless they have been 'Downstairs' themselves at
some time. Different kettle of fish then.

Mike

But them Downstairs never manage to go cruising on board ships.

On 2013-09-02 13:42:25 +0000, David Hill said:

On 02/09/2013 13:49, 'Mike' wrote:

Janet, 'Upstairs' are not aware and don't give two hoots about how
'Downstairs' struggle. Unless they have been 'Downstairs' themselves at
some time. Different kettle of fish then.

Mike

But them Downstairs never manage to go cruising on board ships.

All these pronouncements on the lives and experiences of others from
people who have never met. There must be a lot of psychic people on
this group. Or something. The usual rabble mouthing off, imo.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon

On Mon, 2 Sep 2013 13:49:52 +0100, "'Mike'"
wrote:

Which is never, those little independent shops which can't
match supermarket prices.

That's not always the case. The butchers where I shop displays a
blackboard showing his prices that are lower than the Waitrose across
the road. The town centre supermarket has also attracted more
customers to the area.

Steve

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On Monday 02 September 2013 13:49 'Mike' wrote in uk.rec.gardening:

Exactly! It is you, not me, playing some imaginary class game. But
(unlike you) I do not labour under the delusion that everybody has the
same choices you or I do.

Janet


It would be a lot easier to follow your fascinating debate if you could all
fix your newreaders so they quoted properly and bottom posted...


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On 02/09/2013 13:22, Janet wrote:
Those with less money have no choice but to shop where its
cheapest. Which is never, those little independent shops which can't
match supermarket prices. The independents survive only where there are
enough customers affluent enough to pay more.

If you look at your local green grocer (If you still have one) and your
butcher you will often find they are cheaper, you don't have to buy 3 to
get the best price and for fruit and veg you can buy as much or as
little as you want, not what the powers that be think you want.
Also you don't have a load of unwanted packaging to get rid of.
Farmers markets can be good ; if the powers that be in your area don't
think that 1 a month is sufficient for a community.

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nurseries.co.uk says...

On 02/09/2013 13:22, Janet wrote:
Those with less money have no choice but to shop where its
cheapest. Which is never, those little independent shops which can't
match supermarket prices. The independents survive only where there are
enough customers affluent enough to pay more.

If you look at your local green grocer (If you still have one) and your
butcher you will often find they are cheaper,

Not here. The supermarket is.

you don't have to buy 3 to
get the best price and for fruit and veg you can buy as much or as
little as you want, not what the powers that be think you want.

Same in smkts, where I always buy loose when possible.

Also you don't have a load of unwanted packaging to get rid of.

Farmers markets can be good ; if the powers that be in your area don't
think that 1 a month is sufficient for a community.

There are two farmers markets here per week; an organic locally-grown
veg box delivery service, a butcher who delivers, several farms which
sell their own beef, lamb, bacon, turkeys etc direct to customers and/or
in the smkt and the farmers market; and two cheese manufacturers selling
locally made cheeses in the cheese shop, a baker, a chocolate maker and
a fish shop.

Without exception,locally-produced costs more than equivalent stock in
the local supermarket. It's not a cheap option, and beyond the means of
many local working families.

Janet.






Janet

David Hill wrote:
If you look at your local green grocer (If you still have one) and your
butcher you will often find they are cheaper, you don't have to buy 3 to
get the best price

For the short time we had a greengrocers, he was nowhere near as cheap
as the supermarket, and I'm afraid to say the quality was worse, too.