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Sterilizing Kilner jars
On 07/09/2013 13:54, Nick Maclaren wrote:
BUT THE RISK OF DEATH IS *V*E*R*Y* HIGH IF IT DOES HAPPEN. Regards, Nick Maclaren. Think you'll find that although that used to be the case, with antitoxin treatment and intensive care (mainly artificial respiration), it is down to around 10%, maybe less. -- Jeff |
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Jeff Layman wrote: BUT THE RISK OF DEATH IS *V*E*R*Y* HIGH IF IT DOES HAPPEN. Think you'll find that although that used to be the case, with antitoxin treatment and intensive care (mainly artificial respiration), it is down to around 10%, maybe less. Could well be. I tend to avoid activities with that level of risk but - hey! - there's no accounting for taste. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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"Malcolm" wrote in message ... In article , Jeff Layman writes On 07/09/2013 13:54, Nick Maclaren wrote: BUT THE RISK OF DEATH IS *V*E*R*Y* HIGH IF IT DOES HAPPEN. Regards, Nick Maclaren. Think you'll find that although that used to be the case, with antitoxin treatment and intensive care (mainly artificial respiration), it is down to around 10%, maybe less. Am I allowed to mention again (naturally in a whisper) that food-borne botulism is incredibly rare in this country, so either everyone has sensibly taken Nick's advice for the last 40-50 years or the risk of you catching it (noting that the original thread only mentioned bottling fruit and vegetables) is actually miniscule to non-existent. So, please take extra care on the ladder when you're picking your own fruit or as you drive to the shops to buy fruit and vegetables, because you are at much greater risk of accidents and even death when carrying out those activities than you are from catching botulism by eating inadequately sterilised fruit or veg. -- Malcolm If I use Kilner jars for bottling, I sterilise them in my oven. Haven't died of botulism yet. I haven't tried the other method of sterilising solution, as in winemaking. It may well work, but I prefer not to risk it. Too much at stake. |
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On 12/09/13 23:01, Christina Websell wrote:
If I use Kilner jars for bottling, I sterilise them in my oven. Haven't died of botulism yet. Ah, but you're a skewed sample: the people that have died of botulism haven't replied to this thread Alternatively: "and you'll go on saying that until you have died from botulism" (For the avoidance of doubt, I'm not taking any position on the method you use to sterilise them nor on that method's sufficiency). |
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"Tom Gardner" wrote in message ... On 12/09/13 23:01, Christina Websell wrote: If I use Kilner jars for bottling, I sterilise them in my oven. Haven't died of botulism yet. Ah, but you're a skewed sample: the people that have died of botulism haven't replied to this thread Alternatively: "and you'll go on saying that until you have died from botulism" (For the avoidance of doubt, I'm not taking any position on the method you use to sterilise them nor on that method's sufficiency). Seems to work for me. I wouldn't use sterilising solution (which is good for winemaking) |
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On 14/09/13 23:32, Christina Websell wrote:
"Tom Gardner" wrote in message ... On 12/09/13 23:01, Christina Websell wrote: If I use Kilner jars for bottling, I sterilise them in my oven. Haven't died of botulism yet. Ah, but you're a skewed sample: the people that have died of botulism haven't replied to this thread Alternatively: "and you'll go on saying that until you have died from botulism" (For the avoidance of doubt, I'm not taking any position on the method you use to sterilise them nor on that method's sufficiency). Seems to work for me. I wouldn't use sterilising solution (which is good for winemaking) I've walked out into roads without looking, and I haven't come to any harm. (Yet) Not looking seems to work for me. (So far). |
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Seems to work for me. I wouldn't use sterilising solution (which is good for winemaking) I've walked out into roads without looking, and I haven't come to any harm. (Yet) Not looking seems to work for me. (So far). The North American natives had a saying "The gods look after children and the simple minded" |
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On 15/09/13 09:30, David Hill wrote:
Seems to work for me. I wouldn't use sterilising solution (which is good for winemaking) I've walked out into roads without looking, and I haven't come to any harm. (Yet) Not looking seems to work for me. (So far). The North American natives had a saying "The gods look after children and the simple minded" I presume the gods in question are Loki and all the various avatars of Shiva and Shakti Alternatively: I don't like to think of myself as a god |
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"Tom Gardner" wrote in message ... On 14/09/13 23:32, Christina Websell wrote: "Tom Gardner" wrote in message ... On 12/09/13 23:01, Christina Websell wrote: If I use Kilner jars for bottling, I sterilise them in my oven. Haven't died of botulism yet. Ah, but you're a skewed sample: the people that have died of botulism haven't replied to this thread Alternatively: "and you'll go on saying that until you have died from botulism" (For the avoidance of doubt, I'm not taking any position on the method you use to sterilise them nor on that method's sufficiency). Seems to work for me. I wouldn't use sterilising solution (which is good for winemaking) I've walked out into roads without looking, and I haven't come to any harm. (Yet) Not looking seems to work for me. (So far). Let's be clear that Kilner jars need to be sterilised in an oven and not with the same stuff you use in winemaking, the snipping doesn't make that obvious. Do not try to preserve in a Kilner jar unless you do. Tina |
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On 08/09/2013 08:38, Malcolm wrote:
In article , Jeff Layman writes On 07/09/2013 13:54, Nick Maclaren wrote: BUT THE RISK OF DEATH IS *V*E*R*Y* HIGH IF IT DOES HAPPEN. Regards, Nick Maclaren. Think you'll find that although that used to be the case, with antitoxin treatment and intensive care (mainly artificial respiration), it is down to around 10%, maybe less. Am I allowed to mention again (naturally in a whisper) that food-borne botulism is incredibly rare in this country, so either everyone has sensibly taken Nick's advice for the last 40-50 years or the risk of you catching it (noting that the original thread only mentioned bottling fruit and vegetables) is actually miniscule to non-existent. It is rare but not quite extinct. The most common cause in the UK seems to be home bottled herbs and or garlic in oil which combines all the right ingredients and trace soil impurities in perfect harmony. It is more a problem in countries where home canning is still popular. So, please take extra care on the ladder when you're picking your own fruit or as you drive to the shops to buy fruit and vegetables, because you are at much greater risk of accidents and even death when carrying out those activities than you are from catching botulism by eating inadequately sterilised fruit or veg. Kitchens are incredibly dangerous places too. Scalding hot liquids, ovens, hot surfaces and sharp knives. Fruits and jams are low enough pH to be safe it is only neutral or slightly alkaline anerobic conditions where there is a serious threat. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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On 13/09/2013 11:57, Martin wrote:
On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 11:37:19 +0100, Martin Brown wrote: snip Kitchens are incredibly dangerous places too. Scalding hot liquids, ovens, hot surfaces and sharp knives. Burning fat pans are a major source of house fires. One of the fabulous fire brigade safety demos consists of a portable fire proof trailer laid out inside as a kitchen that they create a chip pan fire inside and then deliberately provoke it with a pint of water tipped in on a very long stick. The flashover heat can be felt from 30m away! Afterwards they put it out with a metal lid the safe way. Apparently the most common root cause they encounter is drunks come home hungry from pub put chip pan on and fall asleep in front of TV. Peak fire damage from chip pan fires is Friday and Saturday nights. These days health and safety means they have to advise you not to tackle the blaze yourself but to close all the doors and ring 999. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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Martin Brown wrote:
Apparently the most common root cause they encounter is drunks come home hungry from pub put chip pan on and fall asleep in front of TV. Peak fire damage from chip pan fires is Friday and Saturday nights. These days health and safety means they have to advise you not to tackle the blaze yourself but to close all the doors and ring 999. There is a radio advert that does that exact scenario and gives that exact advice. |
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On 13/09/2013 14:47, Victoria Conlan wrote:
Martin Brown wrote: Apparently the most common root cause they encounter is drunks come home hungry from pub put chip pan on and fall asleep in front of TV. Peak fire damage from chip pan fires is Friday and Saturday nights. These days health and safety means they have to advise you not to tackle the blaze yourself but to close all the doors and ring 999. There is a radio advert that does that exact scenario and gives that exact advice. If you are drunk then it is definitely the best thing to do. We used to have fire training based on torching all the confiscated spare/waste solvent from lab cupboards after the fire inspection in a big metal tray 6x12' in the carpark. The main thing I learnt from it was that unless the fire is tiny and not electrical water based fire extinguishers are only any use for breaking down locked doors. I have dry powder and CO2 at home. (and no chip pan or deep fat fryer) -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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On 13/09/2013 14:47, Victoria Conlan wrote:
Martin Brown wrote: Apparently the most common root cause they encounter is drunks come home hungry from pub put chip pan on and fall asleep in front of TV. Peak fire damage from chip pan fires is Friday and Saturday nights. These days health and safety means they have to advise you not to tackle the blaze yourself but to close all the doors and ring 999. There is a radio advert that does that exact scenario and gives that exact advice. But does it tell you which side of the door to be? |
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On 13 Sep 2013 13:47:54 GMT, Victoria Conlan wrote:
These days health and safety means they have to advise you not to tackle the blaze yourself but to close all the doors and ring 999. There is a radio advert that does that exact scenario and gives that exact advice. Seen on back of fire engine a while back: "Get out. Stay out, Get Us Out." Durham Fire Service are extolling people to "Pull Your Finger Out" with an image of a finger pressing the test button of a smoke alarm. -- Cheers Dave. |
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