In article ,
says...

On Thu, 07 Nov 2013 18:36:58 +0000, David Hill
wrote:

On 07/11/2013 16:52, Sacha wrote:
On 2013-11-07 15:48:28 +0000, Spider said:

On 07/11/2013 13:02, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
Our new bungalow has a detached concrete slab type of garage with an
asbestos roof. The roof is covered in green moss and so it doesn't
look so bad. The walls look awful as they just plain concrete. We want
something to cover the walls. So far we have one of those fast growing
vines and two virginia creepers growing up the walls but it would be
nice to have smething growing down from the moss covered roof. Any
ideas?

Just a thought, if you have a wall that gets the full sun then that's
just the place to grow peaches against, failing that for cover and fruit
why not plant Kiwi fruit (actinidia) there are some self fertile forms
available. They would love the extra heat reflected from the wall.

One wall is South facing so it's gets the Sun.Anything we plant needs
to be low maintenance because we are both disabled. Espalier peach or
kiwi is a possible.

Espaliers are not low maintenance and kiwi is not self-clinging to a
flat wall.

For all year round, handsome, discreet and fool proof cover I'd
recommend plain green ivy hedera hibernica. If you know anybody who has
some they can give you cuttings to (very easily) root and plant them
around the garage footings.

http://www.spaldingbulb.co.uk/produc...vy-hibernica-/

Janet.

On Fri, 8 Nov 2013 10:41:43 -0000, Janet wrote:


Espaliers are not low maintenance and kiwi is not self-clinging to a
flat wall.


We are still thinking about it. As we are disabled we would need to
get some help initially but once in place what does it need apart from
pruning?

For all year round, handsome, discreet and fool proof cover I'd
recommend plain green ivy hedera hibernica. If you know anybody who has
some they can give you cuttings to (very easily) root and plant them
around the garage footings.


There is lots of variegated ivy already on the garden and house walls.
We want something different for the garage.

Steve

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In article ,
Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2013 10:41:43 -0000, Janet wrote:

Espaliers are not low maintenance and kiwi is not self-clinging to a
flat wall.

We are still thinking about it. As we are disabled we would need to
get some help initially but once in place what does it need apart from
pruning?

"Apart from pruning"! If it gets going, that's a major task - and,
while it bleeds if pruned at most times of year, you often can't
tolerate a year's growth before hacking it back.

Something that might do well is Campsis. That grows like ivy, with
flowers at the top where it leaves the support. It is deciduous,
but the flowers are spectacular in July/August. And, for such a
use, it should be low-maintenance.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

On Fri, 8 Nov 2013 11:22:54 +0000 (GMT),
(Nick Maclaren) wrote:

In article ,
Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2013 10:41:43 -0000, Janet wrote:

Espaliers are not low maintenance and kiwi is not self-clinging to a
flat wall.

We are still thinking about it. As we are disabled we would need to
get some help initially but once in place what does it need apart from
pruning?

"Apart from pruning"! If it gets going, that's a major task - and,
while it bleeds if pruned at most times of year, you often can't
tolerate a year's growth before hacking it back.


That's what we want. It's a big garage to hide and it's well away from
the house.

Something that might do well is Campsis. That grows like ivy, with
flowers at the top where it leaves the support. It is deciduous,
but the flowers are spectacular in July/August. And, for such a
use, it should be low-maintenance.


That's a possible. Will it cling to concrete? Ivy doesn't.

Steve

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In article ,
Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:

Something that might do well is Campsis. That grows like ivy, with
flowers at the top where it leaves the support. It is deciduous,
but the flowers are spectacular in July/August. And, for such a
use, it should be low-maintenance.

That's a possible. Will it cling to concrete? Ivy doesn't.

That's a slippery concrete! Probably not, then, and I wouldn't
bet on Virginia creeper, either.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:

Something that might do well is Campsis. That grows like ivy, with
flowers at the top where it leaves the support. It is deciduous,
but the flowers are spectacular in July/August. And, for such a
use, it should be low-maintenance.

That's a possible. Will it cling to concrete? Ivy doesn't.

That's a slippery concrete! Probably not, then, and I wouldn't
bet on Virginia creeper, either.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Parthenocissus tricuspidata or himalayana are the two that stick close
quinquefolia and henryana both pull themselves off unless its a rough
surface.

Just hanging some stock fencing down would widen the choice of what would
stay there


--
Charlie, Gardening in Cornwall
Holders of National Collections of Clematis viticella
and Lapageria rosea cvs
http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 8 Nov 2013 11:22:54 +0000 (GMT),
(Nick Maclaren) wrote:

In article ,
Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2013 10:41:43 -0000, Janet wrote:

Espaliers are not low maintenance and kiwi is not self-clinging to a
flat wall.

We are still thinking about it. As we are disabled we would need to
get some help initially but once in place what does it need apart from
pruning?

"Apart from pruning"! If it gets going, that's a major task - and,
while it bleeds if pruned at most times of year, you often can't
tolerate a year's growth before hacking it back.


That's what we want. It's a big garage to hide and it's well away from
the house.

Kiwi on a wall doesnt behave like virginia creeper and flatten itself
neatly against its support; it does the opposite. It billows outwards
towards the light, and its pretty heavy on the supports, so someone
would have a lot of pruning and training to do throughout the growing
season to keep it as a neat wall covering.


http://www.fassadengruen.de/eng/uw/c..._vine/kiwi_vin
e.htm

Janet.

On 08/11/2013 11:22, Nick Maclaren wrote:
In article ,
Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2013 10:41:43 -0000, Janet wrote:

Espaliers are not low maintenance and kiwi is not self-clinging to a
flat wall.

We are still thinking about it. As we are disabled we would need to
get some help initially but once in place what does it need apart from
pruning?

"Apart from pruning"! If it gets going, that's a major task - and,
while it bleeds if pruned at most times of year, you often can't
tolerate a year's growth before hacking it back.

Something that might do well is Campsis. That grows like ivy, with
flowers at the top where it leaves the support. It is deciduous,
but the flowers are spectacular in July/August. And, for such a
use, it should be low-maintenance.

Campsis can be very invasive after several years once it has established
itself. It can spring up several metres from its planting point (just
search the internet on "Campsis" and "invasive" if you doubt me on this.
Read some of the negative comments he
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/644/. I speak from experience. I
spent several years trying to kill it with glyphosate and it still kept
coming up). I do not know if it is invasive everywhere it grows, but I
will /never/ plant it in the ground again.

--

Jeff

On 09/11/2013 10:30, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 08/11/2013 11:22, Nick Maclaren wrote:
In article ,
Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2013 10:41:43 -0000, Janet wrote:

Espaliers are not low maintenance and kiwi is not self-clinging to a
flat wall.

We are still thinking about it. As we are disabled we would need to
get some help initially but once in place what does it need apart from
pruning?

"Apart from pruning"! If it gets going, that's a major task - and,
while it bleeds if pruned at most times of year, you often can't
tolerate a year's growth before hacking it back.

Something that might do well is Campsis. That grows like ivy, with
flowers at the top where it leaves the support. It is deciduous,
but the flowers are spectacular in July/August. And, for such a
use, it should be low-maintenance.

Campsis can be very invasive after several years once it has established
itself. It can spring up several metres from its planting point (just
search the internet on "Campsis" and "invasive" if you doubt me on this.
Read some of the negative comments he
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/644/. I speak from experience. I
spent several years trying to kill it with glyphosate and it still kept
coming up). I do not know if it is invasive everywhere it grows, but I
will /never/ plant it in the ground again.

It might help to know where you are Jeff.
I had campsis growing outside here in South Wales but it struggled and
the first bad (For us) winter finished it off

In article ,
David Hill wrote:
On 09/11/2013 10:30, Jeff Layman wrote:

Campsis can be very invasive after several years once it has established
itself. It can spring up several metres from its planting point (just
search the internet on "Campsis" and "invasive" if you doubt me on this.
Read some of the negative comments he
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/644/. I speak from experience. I
spent several years trying to kill it with glyphosate and it still kept
coming up). I do not know if it is invasive everywhere it grows, but I
will /never/ plant it in the ground again.

It might help to know where you are Jeff.
I had campsis growing outside here in South Wales but it struggled and
the first bad (For us) winter finished it off

It grows well with me, and has never suckered too badly. But my
soil is well-drained, and Cambridge is much drier than Cardiff!


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

On 09/11/2013 11:59, Nick Maclaren wrote:
In article ,
David Hill wrote:
On 09/11/2013 10:30, Jeff Layman wrote:

Campsis can be very invasive after several years once it has established
itself. It can spring up several metres from its planting point (just
search the internet on "Campsis" and "invasive" if you doubt me on this.
Read some of the negative comments he
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/644/. I speak from experience. I
spent several years trying to kill it with glyphosate and it still kept
coming up). I do not know if it is invasive everywhere it grows, but I
will /never/ plant it in the ground again.

It might help to know where you are Jeff.
I had campsis growing outside here in South Wales but it struggled and
the first bad (For us) winter finished it off

It grows well with me, and has never suckered too badly. But my
soil is well-drained, and Cambridge is much drier than Cardiff!


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

And Cardiff is a fair bit dryer than Swansea

On 09/11/2013 11:35, David Hill wrote:
On 09/11/2013 10:30, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 08/11/2013 11:22, Nick Maclaren wrote:
In article ,
Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2013 10:41:43 -0000, Janet wrote:

Espaliers are not low maintenance and kiwi is not self-clinging to a
flat wall.

We are still thinking about it. As we are disabled we would need to
get some help initially but once in place what does it need apart from
pruning?

"Apart from pruning"! If it gets going, that's a major task - and,
while it bleeds if pruned at most times of year, you often can't
tolerate a year's growth before hacking it back.

Something that might do well is Campsis. That grows like ivy, with
flowers at the top where it leaves the support. It is deciduous,
but the flowers are spectacular in July/August. And, for such a
use, it should be low-maintenance.

Campsis can be very invasive after several years once it has established
itself. It can spring up several metres from its planting point (just
search the internet on "Campsis" and "invasive" if you doubt me on this.
Read some of the negative comments he
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/644/. I speak from experience. I
spent several years trying to kill it with glyphosate and it still kept
coming up). I do not know if it is invasive everywhere it grows, but I
will /never/ plant it in the ground again.

It might help to know where you are Jeff.
I had campsis growing outside here in South Wales but it struggled and
the first bad (For us) winter finished it off

It was in Horsham on Wealden clay. The plant was Campsis. × tagliabuana.

For the first 5 years it grew and flowered well. Then I noticed two or
three suckers coming up a couple of dozen cm from the single main shoot.
I pulled them out. Then more started appearing up to a metre away.
I pulled all of these up. The next year shoots appeared 3 or 4 metres
away, even getting under the greenhouse foundations. By this time the
main shoot was about 4 cm in diameter. I cut it off about 30 cm above
soil level, after spraying as much of the plant as I could with
glyphosate. Every time a sucker appeared I sprayed it. I also drilled
several 5 mm holes about 5 cm deep in the stump and filled them with
glyphosate concentrate. This slowed it down and a couple of years went
by with no more shoots. I thought I had finally killed it, but in
spring last year a couple of shoots appeared. I again sprayed these.

We moved in September. The new owner had in any case decided to dig up
most of the garden (including the bit with the campsis) and replace it
with lawn. I have no idea if it reappeared this year or not.

I cannot understand how the RHS can come up with an information page on
Campsis without even mentioning that there are reports it can be
invasive (http://apps.rhs.org.uk/advicesearch/...e.aspx?pid=328)

--

Jeff

On 09/11/2013 20:46, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 09/11/2013 11:35, David Hill wrote:
On 09/11/2013 10:30, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 08/11/2013 11:22, Nick Maclaren wrote:
In article ,
Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Fri, 8 Nov 2013 10:41:43 -0000, Janet wrote:

Espaliers are not low maintenance and kiwi is not self-clinging to a
flat wall.

We are still thinking about it. As we are disabled we would need to
get some help initially but once in place what does it need apart from
pruning?

"Apart from pruning"! If it gets going, that's a major task - and,
while it bleeds if pruned at most times of year, you often can't
tolerate a year's growth before hacking it back.

Something that might do well is Campsis. That grows like ivy, with
flowers at the top where it leaves the support. It is deciduous,
but the flowers are spectacular in July/August. And, for such a
use, it should be low-maintenance.

Campsis can be very invasive after several years once it has established
itself. It can spring up several metres from its planting point (just
search the internet on "Campsis" and "invasive" if you doubt me on this.
Read some of the negative comments he
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/644/. I speak from experience. I
spent several years trying to kill it with glyphosate and it still kept
coming up). I do not know if it is invasive everywhere it grows, but I
will /never/ plant it in the ground again.

It might help to know where you are Jeff.
I had campsis growing outside here in South Wales but it struggled and
the first bad (For us) winter finished it off

It was in Horsham on Wealden clay. The plant was Campsis. × tagliabuana.

For the first 5 years it grew and flowered well. Then I noticed two or
three suckers coming up a couple of dozen cm from the single main shoot.
I pulled them out. Then more started appearing up to a metre away. I
pulled all of these up. The next year shoots appeared 3 or 4 metres
away, even getting under the greenhouse foundations. By this time the
main shoot was about 4 cm in diameter. I cut it off about 30 cm above
soil level, after spraying as much of the plant as I could with
glyphosate. Every time a sucker appeared I sprayed it. I also drilled
several 5 mm holes about 5 cm deep in the stump and filled them with
glyphosate concentrate. This slowed it down and a couple of years went
by with no more shoots. I thought I had finally killed it, but in
spring last year a couple of shoots appeared. I again sprayed these.

We moved in September. The new owner had in any case decided to dig up
most of the garden (including the bit with the campsis) and replace it
with lawn. I have no idea if it reappeared this year or not.

I cannot understand how the RHS can come up with an information page on
Campsis without even mentioning that there are reports it can be
invasive (http://apps.rhs.org.uk/advicesearch/...e.aspx?pid=328)