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Difficult to climb fencing
On 03/03/2014 16:53, Bob Hobden wrote:
"Martin" wrote "Bob Hobden" wrote: "P Bentley" wrote ... We are needing a long stretch of fencing around our allotment. But we really need to keep the cost down as much as possible. It does not have to look pretty, but must be *difficult* to climb, as we have had a number of thefts on the allotment. We are not allowed to use any barbed-wire. Any suggestions as to what good inexpensive fencing is available with the above requirements, we would be grateful for. Having read the comments, yes, prickly plants will deter the casual thief and vandal but the problem with allotments is it is no longer those people causing the serious problems it's the determined professional thief with pickup trucks and tools. If they come prepared to cut through a strong metal fence a prickly plant will be no problem, they will just chainsaw it, or drive over it. Get rid of the temptation and they won't be interested. Our allotment is inside a high security area. It doesn't stop the very well paid people working there stealing tools and vegetables. We don't keep any tools on our plot, not even a line. All we have ever got is footprints as the villains walk across our plot to get to yet another shed on someone else's. On one visit by the thieves there was a strimmer, cordless electric drill, a brand new large cultivator worth hundreds and a petrol generator as well as other bits stashed by the gate ready to be collected, only I got their first and called the Police. It's that potential income from the sheds that keeps these people coming back time and again and why I say don't keep tools on your site as a temptation. This happened at an allotment I know in Yorkshire. The allotment holders got so fed up with losing both veg and equipment that they talked to the police. The police provided them with Smar****er plus a sign to put up on the entrance gates saying that Smar****er was used. As far as I know, they've had no more trouble. Perhaps this is something the OP could try. -- Spider. On high ground in SE London gardening on heavy clay |
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On 03/03/2014 17:03, Spider wrote:
Snipped This happened at an allotment I know in Yorkshire. The allotment holders got so fed up with losing both veg and equipment that they talked to the police. The police provided them with Smar****er plus a sign to put up on the entrance gates saying that Smar****er was used. As far as I know, they've had no more trouble. Perhaps this is something the OP could try. I got a Smart Water kit from my neighbourhood watch. It cost £25 and includes a number of warning stickers. -- Pete C adventure before dementure http://www.scar-crockenhill.org/ https://www.facebook.com/pages/Secon...57749060989952 |
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Difficult to climb fencing
On Sun, 2 Mar 2014 16:14:20 -0000, "P Bentley"
wrote: We are needing a long stretch of fencing around our allotment. But we really need to keep the cost down as much as possible. It does not have to look pretty, but must be *difficult* to climb, as we have had a number of thefts on the allotment. We are not allowed to use any barbed-wire. Any suggestions as to what good inexpensive fencing is available with the above requirements, we would be grateful for. Thanks. You could put carpet gripper strips on the inside at the top of the fence. This may deter people from climbing over as they try and get a hand hold. |
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On 03/03/2014 23:23, Judith wrote:
On Sun, 2 Mar 2014 16:14:20 -0000, "P Bentley" wrote: We are needing a long stretch of fencing around our allotment. But we really need to keep the cost down as much as possible. It does not have to look pretty, but must be *difficult* to climb, as we have had a number of thefts on the allotment. We are not allowed to use any barbed-wire. Any suggestions as to what good inexpensive fencing is available with the above requirements, we would be grateful for. Thanks. You could put carpet gripper strips on the inside at the top of the fence. This may deter people from climbing over as they try and get a hand hold. He isn't allowed barbed wire so he won't be able to fit gripper rods. Anti climb paint is the obvious answer. |
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"dennis@home" wrote in message web.com... He isn't allowed barbed wire so he won't be able to fit gripper rods. Anti climb paint is the obvious answer. Coiled razor wire - just the job in my book (:-) Pete |
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In message , Peter & Jeanne
writes "dennis@home" wrote in message aweb.com... He isn't allowed barbed wire so he won't be able to fit gripper rods. Anti climb paint is the obvious answer. Coiled razor wire - just the job in my book (:-) Pete It certainly does! I used it once and would never voluntarily go near it again. Interestingly, as it is outlawed in many places, I was in one of Her Majesty's hotels recently where they had razor wire fitted and was told that they are breaking some law or other and get fined for each year it is in place. They prefer to pay the fine and keep the place secure rather than not have it. I have encountered anti climb paint and as well as stopping climbing it also marks the user and their clothes very well too, so it makes them a bit more traceable in the short term. -- Bill |
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Difficult to climb fencing
On Sun, 02 Mar 2014 16:45:46 +0000, Bob Hobden wrote:
"P Bentley" wrote We are needing a long stretch of fencing around our allotment. But we really need to keep the cost down as much as possible. It does not have to look pretty, but must be *difficult* to climb, as we have had a number of thefts on the allotment. We are not allowed to use any barbed-wire. Any suggestions as to what good inexpensive fencing is available with the above requirements, we would be grateful for. Thanks. I've been an allotment rep for many years and attended many meetings where sites reported criminal damage and thefts. Some had very expensive metal fencing, impossible to climb, the thieves just cut a big hole through it and it cost a fortune to replace, twice! The only way to stop thefts is to ensure nothing of value is ever kept on the site, all sheds must be kept unlocked. Indeed the best way is to remove all sheds, no sheds no temptation. If plot holders use the shed as a toilet then it would be cheaper to build a proper composting toilet on site than erect a strong fence, more temptation. A small trailer for the car is no more than the cost of a shed to buy and allows you to collect manure etc too, as well as carting your tools back and forth. If you live close to the site then use a wheelbarrow to cart your tools. You could, like me, invest in an old Defender as a moving allotment shed. When I moved to our present site there was only one plot with a tiny shed and there was never any thefts or damage until the sudden influx of new gardeners, all of which immediately put a shed up. Result, we have been subject to at least annual thefts and damage ever since. All very logical IF you have plenty of parking and easy access from the parking to your plot. At our allotments parking is very limited, and since they sub-divided into half plots (5 rods IIRC) only the plot holder nearest the track has any chance of parking a Land Rover or a trailer at the plot. Ours is a 'C' plot which means you have to trek down from the track past 'A' and 'B' to get there - in fact there may be four plots - I need to check if it is 'n' then 'nA' 'nB' 'nC'. Anyway it is a long trek from the minimal parking to the plot. Coupled with the logistics of moving your 'nickables' from your trailer (if you can find room to park it) in several trips both going and coming it is not an easy task. It is a real PITA if you haven't got room to park a trailer and you have to heave everything in and out of the back of the car (including the wheel barrow to move it all in) each time you go down there. The result is that most plot holders leave the basic gardening tools - spade, fork, rake, hand tools etc. - down at the allotment so that they are there when you need them and not a major pain to take back and forth each time you visit. I would love to be able to use an old Defender as a mobile shed :-) There is Smar****er in use at the site. We are also a relatively low crime area. The major security (apart from prickly hedges) is the combination lock on the gate. However most people are too lazy to re-lock and scramble the combination. Many are too lazy to even close the gate. Still, level of theft remains low AFAIK. I am looking forward to the shed going up as a place to sit and admire the allotment on a summer evening - so I am probably deluding myself. Cheers Dave R |
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On Sun, 2 Mar 2014 16:14:20 -0000, "P Bentley"
wrote: We are needing a long stretch of fencing around our allotment. But we really need to keep the cost down as much as possible. It does not have to look pretty, but must be *difficult* to climb, as we have had a number of thefts on the allotment. We are not allowed to use any barbed-wire. Any suggestions as to what good inexpensive fencing is available with the above requirements, we would be grateful for. Thanks. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2m-High-V-...-/140909675000 Is the stuff you want really. Can you get a lottery grant for it? -- http://www.voucherfreebies.co.uk |
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"mogga" wrote
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2m-High-V-...-/140909675000 Is the stuff you want really. Can you get a lottery grant for it? This is the stuff they had around the allotment near here that was simply cut out, twice. ttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PALISADE-GALVANISED-METAL-SECURITY-FENCING-52-25M-ALL-HEIGHTS-/110841852121?pt=UK_BOI_Industrial_Supply_Security_ Equipment_ET&var=&hash=item19ceb070d9 -- Regards. Bob Hobden. Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK |
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On 11/03/2014 13:46, Bob Hobden wrote:
"mogga" wrote http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2m-High-V-...-/140909675000 Is the stuff you want really. Can you get a lottery grant for it? This is the stuff they had around the allotment near here that was simply cut out, twice. ttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PALISADE-GALVANISED-METAL-SECURITY-FENCING-52-25M-ALL-HEIGHTS-/110841852121?pt=UK_BOI_Industrial_Supply_Security_ Equipment_ET&var=&hash=item19ceb070d9 You may as well accept that all fences are easy to cut. They only really work if there is some chance of the thief being caught while doing it. If there is nobody passing or likely to see/hear them cutting it you may as well not bother. You could put an alarm on the fence if there is anyone to respond. |
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"dennis@home" wrote in message eb.com... You may as well accept that all fences are easy to cut. They only really work if there is some chance of the thief being caught while doing it. If there is nobody passing or likely to see/hear them cutting it you may as well not bother. You could put an alarm on the fence if there is anyone to respond. Perhaps augmented by a few "Danger -- High Voltage" signs (:-) Pete |
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"Peter & Jeanne" wrote
"dennis@home" wrote You may as well accept that all fences are easy to cut. They only really work if there is some chance of the thief being caught while doing it. If there is nobody passing or likely to see/hear them cutting it you may as well not bother. You could put an alarm on the fence if there is anyone to respond. Perhaps augmented by a few "Danger -- High Voltage" signs (:-) Then they would go after the cable! :-) -- Regards. Bob Hobden. Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK |
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On 11/03/2014 12:52, mogga wrote:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2m-High-V-...-/140909675000 Is the stuff you want really. I've just seen some of that freshly installed. With a padlock and chain on the bit the scrotes pulled off within a fortnight Andy |
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On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 13:46:47 -0000, "Bob Hobden"
wrote: "mogga" wrote http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2m-High-V-...-/140909675000 Is the stuff you want really. Can you get a lottery grant for it? This is the stuff they had around the allotment near here that was simply cut out, twice. ttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PALISADE-GALVANISED-METAL-SECURITY-FENCING-52-25M-ALL-HEIGHTS-/110841852121?pt=UK_BOI_Industrial_Supply_Security_ Equipment_ET&var=&hash=item19ceb070d9 You need to up the observation side of things in the area too there! -- http://www.voucherfreebies.co.uk |
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Difficult to climb fencing
On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 14:27:30 +0000, "dennis@home"
wrote: You may as well accept that all fences are easy to cut. They only really work if there is some chance of the thief being caught while doing it. If there is nobody passing or likely to see/hear them cutting it you may as well not bother. You could put an alarm on the fence if there is anyone to respond. One of the reasons for having an allotment event each year is that it makes local residents aware we're here and that we're much better than what used to be here. -- http://www.voucherfreebies.co.uk |
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