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I recently managed to salvage my old computer onto a windows 7 machine,
all is working and good! However the experience has left me nervous of having no back up machine sitting switched off but ready to go with windows 7 on it, and I thought it would be handy to test run my backups to make sure they worked. I thought I would resurrect my old machine, started off renewing the hard drive but that didnt clear the problem (it is not going through the boot sequence tries to start windows but dumps you into the repair screen and then retries and keeps going in cycles) so I assumed it must be the motherboard or processor, so I have just fitted a new one of those but it still has exactly the same problem. I should say the Hard drive (s) I have tried all work fine and boot up on other machines Can a dodgy power supply cause these sort of problems? if not what is it likely to be? At this stage I realize it would have been easier (and quicker) to just buy a second working machine but I was lured into this course of action and am now being stubborn and dont want to be beaten! My fixation in windows 7 is just because its the last version that my Label station printer software works on and changing to the new software would involve rewriting thousands of Labels -- Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall www.roselandhouse.co.uk National collections of Clematis viticella & Lapageria rosea |
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Charlie Pridham wrote: I thought I would resurrect my old machine, started off renewing the hard drive but that didnt clear the problem (it is not going through the boot sequence tries to start windows but dumps you into the repair screen and then retries and keeps going in cycles) so I assumed it must be the motherboard or processor, so I have just fitted a new one of those but it still has exactly the same problem. If you have replaced the hard drive, motherboard and processor, then the power supply is by far the most likely scenario. The trouble is that the symptoms can arise from almost anything, including peripheral boards if you have them, because of the way modern boot software is written. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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On 26/01/16 20:23, Charlie Pridham wrote:
I recently managed to salvage my old computer onto a windows 7 machine, all is working and good! However the experience has left me nervous of having no back up machine sitting switched off but ready to go with windows 7 on it, and I thought it would be handy to test run my backups to make sure they worked. I thought I would resurrect my old machine, started off renewing the hard drive but that didnt clear the problem (it is not going through the boot sequence tries to start windows but dumps you into the repair screen and then retries and keeps going in cycles) so I assumed it must be the motherboard or processor, so I have just fitted a new one of those but it still has exactly the same problem. I should say the Hard drive (s) I have tried all work fine and boot up on other machines Can a dodgy power supply cause these sort of problems? if not what is it likely to be? At this stage I realize it would have been easier (and quicker) to just buy a second working machine but I was lured into this course of action and am now being stubborn and dont want to be beaten! My fixation in windows 7 is just because its the last version that my Label station printer software works on and changing to the new software would involve rewriting thousands of Labels Charlie, I hesitate to mention Linux, but it is just possible that your label program will run in Wine under Linux. It might be worth Googling to see if anyone has tried it. By the way, as far as I understand, you won't be able to buy a new computer with Windows 7 on it after 31 October. -- Jeff |
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On 26/01/2016 20:44, Nick Maclaren wrote:
If you have replaced the hard drive, motherboard and processor, then the power supply is by far the most likely scenario. The trouble is that the symptoms can arise from almost anything, including peripheral boards if you have them, because of the way modern boot software is written. Regards, Nick Maclaren. I do have a graphics card, so If the power supply replacement doesn't sort it I suspect I can run without it as the main board appears to have a connection for the monitor cable. Could something like a card reader connected to the USB on the board also cause it (I have one but no longer need it so it could be removed) -- Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall www.roselandhouse.co.uk National collections of Clematis viticella & Lapageria rosea |
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On 26/01/2016 22:34, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 26/01/16 20:23, Charlie Pridham wrote: I recently managed to salvage my old computer onto a windows 7 machine, all is working and good! However the experience has left me nervous of having no back up machine sitting switched off but ready to go with windows 7 on it, and I thought it would be handy to test run my backups to make sure they worked. I thought I would resurrect my old machine, started off renewing the hard drive but that didnt clear the problem (it is not going through the boot sequence tries to start windows but dumps you into the repair screen and then retries and keeps going in cycles) so I assumed it must be the motherboard or processor, so I have just fitted a new one of those but it still has exactly the same problem. I should say the Hard drive (s) I have tried all work fine and boot up on other machines Can a dodgy power supply cause these sort of problems? if not what is it likely to be? At this stage I realize it would have been easier (and quicker) to just buy a second working machine but I was lured into this course of action and am now being stubborn and dont want to be beaten! My fixation in windows 7 is just because its the last version that my Label station printer software works on and changing to the new software would involve rewriting thousands of Labels Charlie, I hesitate to mention Linux, but it is just possible that your label program will run in Wine under Linux. It might be worth Googling to see if anyone has tried it. By the way, as far as I understand, you won't be able to buy a new computer with Windows 7 on it after 31 October. I am totally unfamiliar with Linux, not sure how Liz would take to another change, she is still mourning the passing of Vista! Its not really about how good some of this stuff is but how used to it you get, even the worst software you know is better than the best you don't :~) I am hoping I can keep going with 7 until I no longer need the printer!! -- Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall www.roselandhouse.co.uk National collections of Clematis viticella & Lapageria rosea |
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On 26/01/2016 20:23, Charlie Pridham wrote:
I recently managed to salvage my old computer onto a windows 7 machine, all is working and good! However the experience has left me nervous of having no back up machine sitting switched off but ready to go with windows 7 on it, and I thought it would be handy to test run my backups to make sure they worked. Your simplest option would be to buy a secondhand refurbished Win7 box from the likes of Morgan and test it and install your software ready and then keep it safe in a nice dry cupboard until needed. eg. http://www.morgancomputers.co.uk/c/6...ows-7-Systems/ I thought I would resurrect my old machine, started off renewing the hard drive but that didnt clear the problem (it is not going through the boot sequence tries to start windows but dumps you into the repair screen and then retries and keeps going in cycles) so I assumed it must be the motherboard or processor, so I have just fitted a new one of those but it still has exactly the same problem. The simplest test for whether it is bad memory (common and worth reseating it as a precaution) is to run a Linux based memory tester like Memtest86 and see if the PC can boot from a bootable CD and run for an extended period. It will also catch board level PSU faults. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memtest86 If the PC still crashed horribly running a different OS from a CD/DVD then you know it is a hardware fault. I am afraid Windows is sufficiently inclined to self destruct that you often cannot infer anything much from a Win7 boot failure beyond "something is wrong". I should say the Hard drive (s) I have tried all work fine and boot up on other machines Transplanting hard drives randomly between machines isn't a good idea. Even PCs that are nominally identical and from the same batch sometimes have subtly different driver requirements. Can a dodgy power supply cause these sort of problems? if not what is it likely to be? Dodgy capacitors in the memory can cause erratic problems. They tend to go bad after 5-10 years. Again a memory stress test will find that. At this stage I realize it would have been easier (and quicker) to just buy a second working machine but I was lured into this course of action and am now being stubborn and dont want to be beaten! My fixation in windows 7 is just because its the last version that my Label station printer software works on and changing to the new software would involve rewriting thousands of Labels Having a hot spare is wise if you depend on it for business. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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Charlie Pridham wrote: If you have replaced the hard drive, motherboard and processor, then the power supply is by far the most likely scenario. The trouble is that the symptoms can arise from almost anything, including peripheral boards if you have them, because of the way modern boot software is written. I do have a graphics card, so If the power supply replacement doesn't sort it I suspect I can run without it as the main board appears to have a connection for the monitor cable. Could something like a card reader connected to the USB on the board also cause it (I have one but no longer need it so it could be removed) Yes. It's a little late now, but generally the first step (before replacing anything) is to disconnect ALL optional peripheral boards and peripherals, and see if it works. If so, add them back one by one until it fails. If not, then it's the core system. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 20:23:59 +0000, Charlie Pridham
wrote: My fixation in windows 7 is just because its the last version that my Label station printer software works on and changing to the new software would involve rewriting thousands of Labels There must be a way to get around LabelStation compatibility. I took a Word 7 file with a 100 or so addresses to a printers and asked if he could print sticky labels. He put my CD into a PC and a LabelStation of some sort started printing. I went back later and it was all done. Steve -- Neural Network Software for Windows http://www.npsnn.com |
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On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 20:23:59 +0000, Charlie Pridham
wrote: I recently managed to salvage my old computer onto a windows 7 machine, Far to much worry and work until you have tried running your printer software on a newer (not nessary new machine) Running new computers with the latest OS and putting it into 'compatibilty' mode works in very many cases. At least try , you may be surprised. Fingers crossed www.lincolnfuchsiasociety.info |
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On 27/01/2016 11:53, divingbrit wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 20:23:59 +0000, Charlie Pridham wrote: I recently managed to salvage my old computer onto a windows 7 machine, Far to much worry and work until you have tried running your printer software on a newer (not nessary new machine) Running new computers with the latest OS and putting it into 'compatibilty' mode works in very many cases. It tends to work with application software but device drivers are another matter. Vista and Win7 both orphaned a lot of perfectly good hardware because the makers could not be bothered to provide drivers. At least try , you may be surprised. Fingers crossed www.lincolnfuchsiasociety.info -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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On Wed, 27 Jan 2016 11:53:29 +0000, divingbrit
wrote: On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 20:23:59 +0000, Charlie Pridham wrote: I recently managed to salvage my old computer onto a windows 7 machine, Far to much worry and work until you have tried running your printer software on a newer (not nessary new machine) Running new computers with the latest OS and putting it into 'compatibilty' mode works in very many cases. Not always. I have a CD that won't play on any OS more recent than W7 so I'm not upgrading. It's the driver based CD copy protection that has not been changed for W8 or W10. There are other CDs that use the same copy protection. Steve -- Neural Network Software for Windows http://www.npsnn.com |
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"Charlie Pridham" wrote
I recently managed to salvage my old computer onto a windows 7 machine, all is working and good! However the experience has left me nervous of having no back up machine sitting switched off but ready to go with windows 7 on it, and I thought it would be handy to test run my backups to make sure they worked. I thought I would resurrect my old machine, started off renewing the hard drive but that didnt clear the problem (it is not going through the boot sequence tries to start windows but dumps you into the repair screen and then retries and keeps going in cycles) so I assumed it must be the motherboard or processor, so I have just fitted a new one of those but it still has exactly the same problem. I should say the Hard drive (s) I have tried all work fine and boot up on other machines Can a dodgy power supply cause these sort of problems? if not what is it likely to be? At this stage I realize it would have been easier (and quicker) to just buy a second working machine but I was lured into this course of action and am now being stubborn and dont want to be beaten! My fixation in windows 7 is just because its the last version that my Label station printer software works on and changing to the new software would involve rewriting thousands of Labels Charlie, I doubt this is or ever was a hardware problem, sounds more like a problem with the OS and drivers. Did you use a backup of the OS from you other working machine to start the old machine? That would never work and the more you change the hardware in the old machine the problem gets worse. A clean install of a proper copy of Windows 7 and all drivers would be the way I would go but you would need the original key. -- Regards. Bob Hobden. Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK |
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On 27/01/2016 11:53, divingbrit wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 20:23:59 +0000, Charlie Pridham wrote: I recently managed to salvage my old computer onto a windows 7 machine, Far to much worry and work until you have tried running your printer software on a newer (not nessary new machine) Running new computers with the latest OS and putting it into 'compatibilty' mode works in very many cases. At least try , you may be surprised. Fingers crossed www.lincolnfuchsiasociety.info I already know it wont work from before, its not the printer, That will work fine on windows 8 and 10 but the software it uses will not pick up all the older label files without having to re write them all -- Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall www.roselandhouse.co.uk National collections of Clematis viticella & Lapageria rosea |
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On 27/01/2016 18:56, Charlie Pridham wrote:
On 27/01/2016 11:53, divingbrit wrote: On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 20:23:59 +0000, Charlie Pridham wrote: I recently managed to salvage my old computer onto a windows 7 machine, Far to much worry and work until you have tried running your printer software on a newer (not nessary new machine) Running new computers with the latest OS and putting it into 'compatibilty' mode works in very many cases. At least try , you may be surprised. Fingers crossed www.lincolnfuchsiasociety.info I already know it wont work from before, its not the printer, That will work fine on windows 8 and 10 but the software it uses will not pick up all the older label files without having to re write them all That sounds a very unlikely fault. There may be a problem with file permissions in how the software installs itself or it has very fixed ideas about where things have to sit that are no longer met. But filenames haven't changed radically between Win7 and later versions like they did when FAT32 went out of fashion in favour of NTFS or DOS 8.3 filenames bit the dust. Some directory structures and default permissions may be tighter though and that might cause issues. Usually the problem is system level device drivers will not load or report errors when loading or just fail to work reliably. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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