In article ,
Janet wrote:

That's not so. All you have to do is to ensure that the branches are
higher than the browsing height or the tree is protected to that height.
Yes, the animals will prune the trees to keep it that way, but that's
not a big deal. Goats might be a problem, as they will also eat bark,
but cattle, sheep, horses and their related species aren't.

In my experience when grazing is short in winter, both sheep and
horses will eat bark :-( (Hungry horses made a terrible mess of a
mature birch wood in the winter before we bought it).

Grass stops growing in winter but sheep keep eating; so an enclosed
acre does not provide enough grazing all year round to feed a couple of
sheep. They would need supplementary feeding which isn't cheap.

Well, of course. I was assuming that the stock were not overcrowded
and neglected. Except perhaps for goats, no domestic livestock (or
even deer, hares and rabbits) will eat bark if any better food is
available. Bluntly, domestic animals eating bark is a priori evidence
of mismanagement, at best, and animal cruelty at worst.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

In article , says...

In article ,
Janet wrote:

That's not so. All you have to do is to ensure that the branches are
higher than the browsing height or the tree is protected to that height.
Yes, the animals will prune the trees to keep it that way, but that's
not a big deal. Goats might be a problem, as they will also eat bark,
but cattle, sheep, horses and their related species aren't.

In my experience when grazing is short in winter, both sheep and
horses will eat bark :-( (Hungry horses made a terrible mess of a
mature birch wood in the winter before we bought it).

Grass stops growing in winter but sheep keep eating; so an enclosed
acre does not provide enough grazing all year round to feed a couple of
sheep. They would need supplementary feeding which isn't cheap.

Well, of course. I was assuming that the stock were not overcrowded
and neglected. Except perhaps for goats, no domestic livestock (or
even deer, hares and rabbits) will eat bark if any better food is
available.

On the contrary, they will all eat smooth young bark on younf trees as
a delicacy even in midsummer when there's ample alternative food.

http://www.forestry.gov.uk/fr/infd-6k4kaf

Janet.

In article ,
Janet wrote:

That's not so. All you have to do is to ensure that the branches are
higher than the browsing height or the tree is protected to that height.

On the contrary, they will all eat smooth young bark on younf trees as
a delicacy even in midsummer when there's ample alternative food.

http://www.forestry.gov.uk/fr/infd-6k4kaf

Please read what I posted originally. I don't know how you think
smooth young bark can appear at ground level on older trees, except
for suckering ones, where the animals will help by pruning off the
suckers. The techniques for combining orchards and grazing are both
ancient and well-known.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

In article , says...

In article ,
Janet wrote:

That's not so. All you have to do is to ensure that the branches are
higher than the browsing height or the tree is protected to that height.

On the contrary, they will all eat smooth young bark on younf trees as
a delicacy even in midsummer when there's ample alternative food.

That was not written in reply to what you quote above it. You have
removed what I DID reply to:

Here is the exchange;

You wrote

Well, of course. I was assuming that the stock were not overcrowded
and neglected. Except perhaps for goats, no domestic livestock (or
even deer, hares and rabbits) will eat bark if any better food is
available.

I wrote

On the contrary, they will all eat smooth young bark on younf trees as
a delicacy even in midsummer when there's ample alternative food.

http://www.forestry.gov.uk/fr/infd-6k4kaf


Please read what I posted originally. I don't know how you think
smooth young bark can appear at ground level on older trees,

I don't, and haven't said that.

Perhaps if YOU paid more attention to what you posted, you wouldn't
jump to false conclusions about what I posted.

Janet

I have to say that this Newsgroup is one of the few left that doesn't
feature sniping and flaming. Could we possibly keep it that way, please?

Syke

On 25/09/2016 17:20, Janet wrote:
In article , says...

In article ,
Janet wrote:

That's not so. All you have to do is to ensure that the branches are
higher than the browsing height or the tree is protected to that height.

On the contrary, they will all eat smooth young bark on younf trees as
a delicacy even in midsummer when there's ample alternative food.

That was not written in reply to what you quote above it. You have
removed what I DID reply to:

Here is the exchange;

You wrote

Well, of course. I was assuming that the stock were not overcrowded
and neglected. Except perhaps for goats, no domestic livestock (or
even deer, hares and rabbits) will eat bark if any better food is
available.

I wrote

On the contrary, they will all eat smooth young bark on younf trees as
a delicacy even in midsummer when there's ample alternative food.

http://www.forestry.gov.uk/fr/infd-6k4kaf


Please read what I posted originally. I don't know how you think
smooth young bark can appear at ground level on older trees,

I don't, and haven't said that.

Perhaps if YOU paid more attention to what you posted, you wouldn't
jump to false conclusions about what I posted.

Janet

On 25/09/2016 21:46, Syke wrote:
On 25/09/2016 17:20, Janet wrote:
In article , says...

In article ,
Janet wrote:

That's not so. All you have to do is to ensure that the branches
are
higher than the browsing height or the tree is protected to that
height.

On the contrary, they will all eat smooth young bark on younf trees as
a delicacy even in midsummer when there's ample alternative food.

That was not written in reply to what you quote above it. You have
removed what I DID reply to:

Here is the exchange;

You wrote

Well, of course. I was assuming that the stock were not overcrowded
and neglected. Except perhaps for goats, no domestic livestock (or
even deer, hares and rabbits) will eat bark if any better food is
available.

I wrote

On the contrary, they will all eat smooth young bark on younf trees as
a delicacy even in midsummer when there's ample alternative food.

http://www.forestry.gov.uk/fr/infd-6k4kaf


Please read what I posted originally. I don't know how you think
smooth young bark can appear at ground level on older trees,

I don't, and haven't said that.

Perhaps if YOU paid more attention to what you posted, you wouldn't
jump to false conclusions about what I posted.

Janet

I have to say that this Newsgroup is one of the few left that doesn't
feature sniping and flaming. Could we possibly keep it that way, please?


Can we bottom post as per newsgroup convention?

I feel it's unfortunate you felt obliged to reply to Janet. She have her
experience and backed it up with a link to a respected website.

While there seems a difference of opinion, where one party ups the anti
with no link to backup their stance they would normally be called a troll.

This is my first and last post in this thread.

In article ,
Martin wrote:

Janet replied to this

Perhaps I shouldn't have snipped anything, though I am not sure that
it would have stopped you quoting out of context. Read the WHOLE
message that you snipped from.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

In article , says...

In article ,
Martin wrote:

Janet replied to this

Perhaps I shouldn't have snipped anything, though I am not sure that
it would have stopped you quoting out of context.

He didn't. The only person quoting out of context was you.

Janet.

On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 11:57:05 -0000 (UTC), (Nick
Maclaren) wrote:

Bluntly, domestic animals eating bark is a priori evidence
of mismanagement, at best, and animal cruelty at worst.

That's not necessarily the case. Some animals will eat bark even when
food is plentiful.