In article , Charlie
Pridham writes

Our friends (organic veg growers) manage by giving accomadation to young
people from europe who work all summer for free! in return for food and
accomadation, they don't give the immpression of having lots of spare cash
though! I don't know the name of the scheme but it certainly works.

There used to be WWOOF - Working Weekends On Organic Farms
--
Kay Easton

Edward's earthworm page:
http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm

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A young couple I know have a organic smallholding, fruit and veg.and cut
flowers.They live in Gloucestershire very near the Vale of Evesham,
maybe that is not a good place to be for starters, anyway they are
really struggling to make ends meet, no time for trialing new products
etc.etc. Is this the same for most organic smallholders, are there no
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Thank you all for your interest and imput. I will forward all the posts
on to the couple involved and I feel it will help them

kate

"Franz Heymann" wrote in message ...
[...]
I cannot understand why "young peeps" should receive grants to try and make
a living. Are you saying that everybody who is trying to make any kind of
living should receive a grant for doing so? If so, what did I miss out on?

I had hoped somebody would tell me what on earth a "peep" was. But
whatever it is, there's no harm in asking if it might be eligible for
some kind of business start-up assistance -- after all, I had five
years of university grants in my time, and big business often seems to
have its hand deep in the taxpayer's back pocket.

Mike.

Mike Lyle wrote:

I had hoped somebody would tell me what on earth a "peep" was.

People or peoples.. (Also abbreviated to ppl )
//
Jim

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I had hoped somebody would tell me what on earth a "peep" was. But

Well now, being a trendy up to the minute 16 year old, plus a few
years, I know it means people :-)))

kate

"Mike Lyle" wrote in message
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"Franz Heymann" wrote in message
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[...]
I cannot understand why "young peeps" should receive grants to try and
make
a living. Are you saying that everybody who is trying to make any kind
of
living should receive a grant for doing so? If so, what did I miss out
on?

I had hoped somebody would tell me what on earth a "peep" was. But
whatever it is, there's no harm in asking if it might be eligible for
some kind of business start-up assistance -- after all, I had five
years of university grants in my time, and big business often seems to
have its hand deep in the taxpayer's back pocket.

You were luckier than I was. I had to repay every penny which I used whilst
I was an undergraduate student

Franz

On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 15:27:58 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:


You were luckier than I was. I had to repay every penny which I used whilst
I was an undergraduate student
Why was that Franz? because there were no grants in your student days?

Hull used to make their students repay their grants if they dropped
out.
--
Martin

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from Kate Morgan contains these words:

A young couple I know have a organic smallholding, fruit and veg.and cut
flowers.They live in Gloucestershire very near the Vale of Evesham,
maybe that is not a good place to be for starters,

The good news is that it's a highly fertile area with no extremes of
climate. The bad news is that it's so fertile everybody can grow their
own anything, and (when I lived there) sell it for almost nothing at an
unattended table at the garden gate.

The "Goodlife" lifestyle is virtually impossible without a
supplementary income, so they both need to diversify their skills into
something quite different which lends itself to working at home or part
time but pays better than the usual low rural wages from waitering,
ironing, cleaning, childminding etc.

How about IT work, tutoring children, houseminding?

Janet.

"Jim W" wrote in message
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Charlie Pridham wrote:

"Kate Morgan" wrote in message
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Our friends (organic veg growers) manage by giving accomadation to young
people from europe who work all summer for free! in return for food and
accomadation, they don't give the immpression of having lots of spare
cash
though! I don't know the name of the scheme but it certainly works.

Possibly WWWOOFERS or similar? (Willing Worldwide Workers on Organic
Farms)
//
Jim

Thats the one! :~)

--
Charlie, gardening in Cornwall.
http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of National Plant Collection of Clematis viticella (cvs)

"Charlie Pridham" wrote
"Jim W" wrote
Charlie Pridham wrote:
"Kate Morgan" wrote
Our friends (organic veg growers) manage by giving accomadation
to young
people from europe who work all summer for free! in return for
food and
accomadation, they don't give the immpression of having lots of
spare
cash
though! I don't know the name of the scheme but it certainly
works.

Possibly WWWOOFERS or similar? (Willing Worldwide Workers on
Organic
Farms)
Jim

Thats the one! :~)


Home page = http://www.wwoof.org/

Friends of ours need lots of WOOFERS down in the Dordogne..... :~))
http://come.to/lamars

Jenny

"Mike Lyle" wrote in message
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"K" wrote in message
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"Kate Morgan" wrote in message
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One way getting a short-term "grant" would be for one of them to
register as unemployed and get Job-Seeker's Allowance ("the dole").

Provided that there are enough National Insurance payments at the right
time.
And your partner isn't earning.

After a period on this benefit, there is, I think, a system under
which a weekly payment can be made for setting up a new business as a
self-employed person.

Not round here there isn't.
Dave Aged 40 setting up as a self employed roofer.

This might well include selling the stuff
nominally produced by the other, but that would need to be handled
with great discretion and savvy for fear of looking like fraud. I
wonder if there's also some kind of training grant to help the
registered unemployed partner learn to, e.g., drive a digger:

Grants available to the under 20's and the over 50's

round
their way there could be a demand for a good jobbing JCB operator. I
imagine, if they've got good reliable tackle, they've already
considered selling their agricultural skills as contractors doing
silage etc in the district.

Other than that, it looks like a question of one of them getting a job
off the holding: that's how it is for many of our local farmers.

Temp'ing may be the best short term answer.
Sadly not a lot of small industry round that way.

Dave

"martin" wrote in message
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On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 15:27:58 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:


You were luckier than I was. I had to repay every penny which I used
whilst
I was an undergraduate student
Why was that Franz? because there were no grants in your student days?

Hull used to make their students repay their grants if they dropped
out.

I went to Cape Town University. No grants. My father lent me the money
(which he had to borrow from the bank) I had to repay him during my first
five working years. The same went for all four my brothers.

Franz

On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 19:58:15 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:


"martin" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 15:27:58 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:


You were luckier than I was. I had to repay every penny which I used
whilst
I was an undergraduate student
Why was that Franz? because there were no grants in your student days?

Hull used to make their students repay their grants if they dropped
out.

I went to Cape Town University. No grants. My father lent me the money
(which he had to borrow from the bank) I had to repay him during my first
five working years. The same went for all four my brothers.

We've come the full circle.

--
Martin

Kate Morgan wrote:

A young couple I know have a organic smallholding, fruit and veg.and cut
flowers.They live in Gloucestershire very near the Vale of Evesham,
maybe that is not a good place to be for starters, anyway they are
really struggling to make ends meet, no time for trialing new products
etc.etc. Is this the same for most organic smallholders, are there no
grants to help young peeps trying to make a living, it does seem a shame
if they have to give up. They do do veg.and fruit boxes but there is not
much to be made in that.


Only other thing they might do is to seek out other small traders in
co-op type organisations.. This can lead to better diversifaction of
products between them and better distribution.

Triodos Bank
www.triodos.co.uk specialises in financial services for this type of
setup. They 'might' be able to put tyour friends in tocuh with
appropriate others or a simialr organisations.. The only other thing
they might look at is whether LETS or microcredit schemes might help
them in the short term..

Both these can be looked up on the web. Whether there are any setups of
this type in that area of UK I have no idea.
...
Jim

Kate Morgan wrote in message t...
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I had hoped somebody would tell me what on earth a "peep" was. But

Well now, being a trendy up to the minute 16 year old, plus a few
years, I know it means people :-)))

kate

Er...like, kewl, dude.

Mike.