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Alligator saw - valid alternative to chainsaw ?
David, thanks for your comments on the suitability of the alligator saw. I
did see the McCulloch in B&Q as was considering it. Think I'll pop down there this afternoon and see if they have any left. Eric |
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Alligator saw - valid alternative to chainsaw ?
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Eric the Red wrote: My reason for not wanting to cut up the trunks has nothing to do with strength or age more to do with time. As you say it would be possible to cut them up with a bow saw over a FEW weekends. I do not really have that much time to spare as I have lots of other jobs to do round the house before winter starts. Getting the trees all cut up and disposed of in one day would be well worth the cost of the saw to me. Then I STRONGLY suggest ringing around some firewood merchants and similar, and arranging for them to do it for you. You may well have to pay, but it is unlikely to be more than the cost of a mechanical saw! Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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Alligator saw - valid alternative to chainsaw ?
Eric the Red wrote:
I asked a question about budget chainsaws and plus the searches through newsgroups, the general opinion is don't do it they are too dangerous. Just to get things in perspective. Chainsaws are not dangerous. In fact they are inanimate objects quite incapable of harming anything - until somebody picks them up and starts doing things with them. Maintained and used correctly they are userfriendly and no more dangerous than many other power tools. Problems arise now that almost anybody can get hold of one and start trying to use it even if they have no experience of power tools, of manual work, of the basics of pruning and felling trees and cutting logs or any awareness of possible dangers arising from any of the above. Years ago we learned the principles using hand tools, slowly over a long period then we began to fit power tools into the job that we were already skilled in. It's still possible to do that but more likely that someone will either do a basic course first (OK, if you don't then go off thinking you know it all - you've only just started on the learning curve - forget that at your peril) or they will just start using a saw with no instruction, no idea of how to do the work or of how to use the saw and with no intention of reading the manual - which usually covers the basics quite well enough for anyone who is already experienced in working with trees and preferably in working with other power tools perhaps in another context. Compared with the saws I learned with, modern saws are bristling with safety features like anti - vibration, chain brake, chain catcher (Franz!) Hand shields, anti-kick chains etc. The operator is equipped with first class protection for limbs, feet, head, face and hearing - if you are not then don't touch a chainsaw. Be prepared to pay at least as much for that kit as you would for a cheapish saw. All of this makes hiring look more attractive for occasional users because the hire company will offer a modern professional machine (Usually a cut above the cheapo saw you might be tempted to buy) and will offer the safety kit as an optional part of the hire. Don't rely on the hire shop for any training though - unless things have changed a lot recently you'll just be shown how to start and stop the machine, how to refuel and how to adjust the chain. Rod |
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Alligator saw - valid alternative to chainsaw ?
"Rod Craddock" wrote in message ... Eric the Red wrote: I asked a question about budget chainsaws and plus the searches through newsgroups, the general opinion is don't do it they are too dangerous. Just to get things in perspective. Chainsaws are not dangerous. In fact they are inanimate objects quite incapable of harming anything - until somebody picks them up and starts doing things with them. Maintained and used correctly they are userfriendly and no more dangerous than many other power tools. Problems arise now that almost anybody can get hold of one and start trying to use it even if they have no experience of power tools, of manual work, of the basics of pruning and felling trees and cutting logs or any awareness of possible dangers arising from any of the above. Years ago we learned the principles using hand tools, slowly over a long period then we began to fit power tools into the job that we were already skilled in. It's still possible to do that but more likely that someone will either do a basic course first (OK, if you don't then go off thinking you know it all - you've only just started on the learning curve - forget that at your peril) or they will just start using a saw with no instruction, no idea of how to do the work or of how to use the saw and with no intention of reading the manual - which usually covers the basics quite well enough for anyone who is already experienced in working with trees and preferably in working with other power tools perhaps in another context. Compared with the saws I learned with, modern saws are bristling with safety features like anti - vibration, chain brake, chain catcher (Franz!) Hand shields, anti-kick chains etc. The operator is equipped with first class protection for limbs, feet, head, face and hearing - if you are not then don't touch a chainsaw. Be prepared to pay at least as much for that kit as you would for a cheapish saw. All of this makes hiring look more attractive for occasional users because the hire company will offer a modern professional machine (Usually a cut above the cheapo saw you might be tempted to buy) and will offer the safety kit as an optional part of the hire. Don't rely on the hire shop for any training though - unless things have changed a lot recently you'll just be shown how to start and stop the machine, how to refuel and how to adjust the chain. Rod Excellent reply Rod, I've used chainsaws (private not pro use) for over 30 years and would agree with all that you have written. In addition, an alligator saw would be of no use whatsoever. It would probably struggle to remove smaller limbs from the felled tree, the blades are hardpoint (so can't be sharpened) and are expensive to replace. I use a DeWalt alligator saw now and again for rough cutting really light stuff. Can chain saws still be hired? I have been told that some hire groups have dropped them from the available range because of Health & Safety Regs. Might the OP not consider getting in a pro to drop the trees and cut the trunks into lengths that can be handled. On a 'when it suits you and I will clear' basis this would probably not be too expensive. OP could then remove limbs with a good bowsaw at his own speed and dispose of as he sees fit.. Nic. |
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