is there any thing i can use to stop the water in the flower vases
from freezing at a grave. All the solutions Ive thoiught of would
kill the flowers. Thanks in advance Dave

"Dave" wrote in message
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is there any thing i can use to stop the water in the flower vases
from freezing at a grave. All the solutions Ive thoiught of would
kill the flowers. Thanks in advance Dave

How about including the crystals that turn to jelly when wetted? They might
have an anti-freeze effect.

Alternatively, use a vase that is wider at the top than the bottom to allow
the ice to expand without cracking the glass.

--
Brian
"I know about kittens and knitting. Will that do?"

"Dave" wrote in message
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is there any thing i can use to stop the water in the flower vases
from freezing at a grave. All the solutions Ive thoiught of would
kill the flowers. Thanks in advance Dave

Why would you want to? Even if you could prevent it, the freezing temps will
kill the flowers anyway.

--
Tumbleweed

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newsgroups)

In article , Dave
writes
is there any thing i can use to stop the water in the flower vases
from freezing at a grave. All the solutions Ive thoiught of would
kill the flowers. Thanks in advance Dave

Sugar? ISTR that's why parsnips get sweeter after a frost.

But you will also have to make sure that whatever you're putting in the
flower vase isn't going to be affected by the frost - ie if the water in
the vase freezes, then so will the water in the flowers themselves.


--
Kay Easton

Edward's earthworm page:
http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm

On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:39:22 +0000, Kay Easton
wrote:

In article , Dave
writes
is there any thing i can use to stop the water in the flower vases
from freezing at a grave. All the solutions Ive thoiught of would
kill the flowers. Thanks in advance Dave

Sugar? ISTR that's why parsnips get sweeter after a frost.

But you will also have to make sure that whatever you're putting in the
flower vase isn't going to be affected by the frost - ie if the water in
the vase freezes, then so will the water in the flowers themselves.
So really its not worth buying cut flowers in the winter then, trouble
is they wont allow me to use artificial flowers. Problem is I always
promised my late wife that I would always have flowers at her grave,
so I suppose its just a case of buying them more often in the winter.
Problem with the water freezing though is that I cant remove the dead
flowers,as the water is frozen, doesnt affect the vases though as they
are metal.

On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:39:22 +0000, Kay Easton
wrote:

In article , Dave
writes
is there any thing i can use to stop the water in the flower vases
from freezing at a grave. All the solutions Ive thoiught of would
kill the flowers. Thanks in advance Dave

Sugar? ISTR that's why parsnips get sweeter after a frost.

But you will also have to make sure that whatever you're putting in the
flower vase isn't going to be affected by the frost - ie if the water in
the vase freezes, then so will the water in the flowers themselves.
So really its not worth buying cut flowers in the winter then, trouble
is they wont allow me to use artificial flowers. Problem is I always
promised my late wife that I would always have flowers at her grave,
so I suppose its just a case of buying them more often in the winter.
Problem with the water freezing though is that I cant remove the dead
flowers,as the water is frozen, doesnt affect the vases though as they
are metal.

"Dave" wrote in message
...
is there any thing i can use to stop the water in the flower vases
from freezing at a grave. All the solutions Ive thoiught of would
kill the flowers. Thanks in advance Dave

You could try sugar but I would have thought the flowers would freeze anyway
if the water is?

--
Charlie, gardening in Cornwall.
http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of National Plant Collection of Clematis viticella (cvs)

Dave12/12/03 9:51

On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:39:22 +0000, Kay Easton
wrote:

In article , Dave
writes
is there any thing i can use to stop the water in the flower vases
from freezing at a grave. All the solutions Ive thoiught of would
kill the flowers. Thanks in advance Dave

Sugar? ISTR that's why parsnips get sweeter after a frost.

But you will also have to make sure that whatever you're putting in the
flower vase isn't going to be affected by the frost - ie if the water in
the vase freezes, then so will the water in the flowers themselves.
So really its not worth buying cut flowers in the winter then, trouble
is they wont allow me to use artificial flowers. Problem is I always
promised my late wife that I would always have flowers at her grave,
so I suppose its just a case of buying them more often in the winter.
Problem with the water freezing though is that I cant remove the dead
flowers,as the water is frozen, doesnt affect the vases though as they
are metal.

Would you be allowed to plant something that would take the winter weather?
--

Sacha
(remove the 'x' to email me)

"Dave" wrote in message
...
is there any thing i can use to stop the water in the flower vases
from freezing at a grave. All the solutions Ive thoiught of would
kill the flowers. Thanks in advance Dave

I have a feeling that any fluid whatsoever which was concentrated enough to
lower the freezing point sufficiently would set osmosis in motion in such a
direction that the flowers would essentially be sucked dry of internal
moisture.

Franz

On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:57:58 +0000, Sacha
wrote:

~Dave12/12/03 9:51

~
~ On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:39:22 +0000, Kay Easton
~ wrote:
~
~ In article , Dave
~ writes
~ is there any thing i can use to stop the water in the flower vases
~ from freezing at a grave. All the solutions Ive thoiught of would
~ kill the flowers. Thanks in advance Dave
~
~ Sugar? ISTR that's why parsnips get sweeter after a frost.
~
~ But you will also have to make sure that whatever you're putting in the
~ flower vase isn't going to be affected by the frost - ie if the water in
~ the vase freezes, then so will the water in the flowers themselves.
~ So really its not worth buying cut flowers in the winter then, trouble
~ is they wont allow me to use artificial flowers. Problem is I always
~ promised my late wife that I would always have flowers at her grave,
~ so I suppose its just a case of buying them more often in the winter.
~ Problem with the water freezing though is that I cant remove the dead
~ flowers,as the water is frozen, doesnt affect the vases though as they
~ are metal.
~
~Would you be allowed to plant something that would take the winter weather?

That's what I was thinking. Can you plant bulbs around the plot, and
put things like iris unguicularis in for now, followed by snowdrops,
eranthis, iris reticulata, crocuses, early to late daffs, (possibly
not muscarii :-) tulips, ixias, freesias, anemones, er... lilies,
gladioli, autumn crocus, colchicum... that might just cover all
seasons.

Failing that, plant something like a winter viburnum at home and take
flowering sprigs of it up to the cemetery.

Or find some pots which will slip into the top of the vase, and plant
a succession of those up with bulbs or annuals etc, so you can go up
and switch pots every now and again, using the water as a reservoir to
keep them damp in summer via a piece of capillary matting or
something.


--
jane

Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone,
you may still exist but you have ceased to live.
Mark Twain

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"Dave" wrote in message
news
On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:39:22 +0000, Kay Easton
wrote:

In article , Dave
writes
is there any thing i can use to stop the water in the flower vases
from freezing at a grave. All the solutions Ive thoiught of would
kill the flowers. Thanks in advance Dave

Sugar? ISTR that's why parsnips get sweeter after a frost.

But you will also have to make sure that whatever you're putting in the
flower vase isn't going to be affected by the frost - ie if the water in
the vase freezes, then so will the water in the flowers themselves.
So really its not worth buying cut flowers in the winter then, trouble
is they wont allow me to use artificial flowers. Problem is I always
promised my late wife that I would always have flowers at her grave,
so I suppose its just a case of buying them more often in the winter.
Problem with the water freezing though is that I cant remove the dead
flowers,as the water is frozen, doesnt affect the vases though as they
are metal.

If artificial flowers aren't permitted, what about dried flowers over the
winter period?
L

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from Dave contains these words:

So really its not worth buying cut flowers in the winter then, trouble
is they wont allow me to use artificial flowers. Problem is I always
promised my late wife that I would always have flowers at her grave,
so I suppose its just a case of buying them more often in the winter.

During winter, perhaps instead of cutflowers you could use various
small pots of winterflowering plants, the kind that are sold quite
cheaply in B and Q, garden centres and garages etc for tubs and window
boxes; such as outdoor cyclamen, primulas, daisies, little narcissi,
snowdrops and tulips, small pernettyas with berries on. These would be
much more frost resistant than a water filled vase of flowers and the
flowers should last longer in winter than cut ones. You could take the
vase home for winter, and just slip the plastic pots inside a small
heavy closefitting stoneware pot (it will need a drainage hole in the
base) to sit in place of the vase. This will stop the wind blowing them
over and the overall effect will be the same as the vase.

HTH

Janet.

"Dave" wrote in message
news : On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:39:22 +0000, Kay Easton
: wrote:
:
: In article , Dave
: writes
: is there any thing i can use to stop the water in the flower vases
: from freezing at a grave. All the solutions Ive thoiught of would
: kill the flowers. Thanks in advance Dave
:
: Sugar? ISTR that's why parsnips get sweeter after a frost.
:
: But you will also have to make sure that whatever you're putting in the
: flower vase isn't going to be affected by the frost - ie if the water in
: the vase freezes, then so will the water in the flowers themselves.
: So really its not worth buying cut flowers in the winter then, trouble
: is they wont allow me to use artificial flowers. Problem is I always
: promised my late wife that I would always have flowers at her grave,
: so I suppose its just a case of buying them more often in the winter.
: Problem with the water freezing though is that I cant remove the dead
: flowers,as the water is frozen, doesnt affect the vases though as they
: are metal.

As it is obviously too late to plant bulbs for this year, couldn't you take
a pot of ready grown hyacinths, daffs, etc.

K

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from Kay Easton contains these words:
In article , Dave
writes

is there any thing i can use to stop the water in the flower vases
from freezing at a grave. All the solutions Ive thoiught of would
kill the flowers. Thanks in advance Dave

Sugar? ISTR that's why parsnips get sweeter after a frost.

I have a sort-of feeling that sugar actually raises the freezing-point
of the solution. Or ice-cream would be a bit of a no-no.

But you will also have to make sure that whatever you're putting in the
flower vase isn't going to be affected by the frost - ie if the water in
the vase freezes, then so will the water in the flowers themselves.

Something like winter-flowering viburnum? Mine's a mass of small pink
fragrant flowers just now.

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"Dave" wrote in message
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is there any thing i can use to stop the water in the flower vases
from freezing at a grave. All the solutions Ive thoiught of would
kill the flowers. Thanks in advance Dave

I have a feeling that any fluid whatsoever which was concentrated enough to
lower the freezing point sufficiently would set osmosis in motion in such a
direction that the flowers would essentially be sucked dry of internal
moisture.

There's a thought then - dessicated by osmosis and freeze-dried flowers.

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Dark thoughts about the Wumpus concerto played with piano,
iron bar and two sledge hammers. (Wumpus, 15/11/03)