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"Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message ... The message from contains these words: snip All this is fascinating :-) However - how big a pot should I use? |
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"Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message ... The message from contains these words: snip All this is fascinating :-) However - how big a pot should I use? |
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"Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message ... The message from contains these words: snip All this is fascinating :-) However - how big a pot should I use? |
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"Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message ... The message from contains these words: snip All this is fascinating :-) However - how big a pot should I use? |
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"Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message ... The message from contains these words: snip All this is fascinating :-) However - how big a pot should I use? |
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In article , nospam@stepheno
rme.freeserve.co.uk.nospam writes On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 18:55:56 -0000, "David W.E. Roberts" wrote: Is it O.K. to bang it directly into a large pot, or should I pot it on in progressively larger pots? ISTR that flowering plants do better if potted on only when pot bound. However if the lemon was planted in a border then it would be in umpteen squillion megalitres of soil (how big is the earth anyway?) and would grow O.K. I am only a beginner here, so I do not know the right answer, but I think I have heard only to repot when pot-bound for greater growth. However I do agree with your reasoning, that this does not happen in nature so why should we have to do this? The difference in nature is that the surrounding soil is full of roots of other plants, worms, bugs and so on - in other words, there's a lot of activity in there. In a pot, you have a heap of soil in which nothing much is happening - more likely to get stagnant, waterlogged or whatever. I don't know if this is the reason, but its the only reasoning I could work out. There is another effect, which is that plants have two methods or increasing themselves - vegetatively (by growing large, or by throwing out plantlets) or sexually, by producing flowers. Flowers are more effort, so the tendency for many perennial plants is to emphasise vegetative growth when there's plenty of space and food, and emphasise flower growth when space and food is running out, and there may be a need to cast seeds to colonise a new site. Therefore, many plants will flower better if they are pot bound and not over-fed. -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
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In article , email@stephenor
me.freeserve.co.uk writes I am not sure if mine have grafts either. Are citrus plants grafted or not? Some posts here seem to suggest they are (like the orange that grew a lemon) but other posts seem to contradict this. I looked at a grapefruit in the garden centre and compared it with the leaves growing on mine and the leaves seem the same. The leaves are almost like two leaves in one: a figure 8 shape if you like. There is a small leaf at the stem end out of which grows a much bigger leaf. So I am hoping the leaves are of the same variety, which would imply no grafting. If I am lucky enough to get fruit, may be then I will find out. The leaves wouldn't tell you anything about whether there's a graft. The idea of grafting is that you basically make use of the roots of what you are grafting on, but you don't let it produce shoots and leaves, otherwise the greater vigour of the rootstock means that it will take over. So - the only leaves you get on a grafted plant will be those of what you have grafted. Unless, of course it has been neglected, in which case you may have shoots coming up from the base with different leaves - this is what happens with roses - you get suckers thrown from the base which have the smaller leaflets of the dog rose or whatever has been used as a rootstock. Let these grow, and eventually your rose will die off and you'll be left with a flourishing dog rose. You can see a graft because it leaves a lumpy part of the stem where the graft has taken place, either low down, or, in the case of a weeping standard, at the top of the upright stem. -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
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In article , nospam@stepheno
rme.freeserve.co.uk.nospam writes On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 18:55:56 -0000, "David W.E. Roberts" wrote: Is it O.K. to bang it directly into a large pot, or should I pot it on in progressively larger pots? ISTR that flowering plants do better if potted on only when pot bound. However if the lemon was planted in a border then it would be in umpteen squillion megalitres of soil (how big is the earth anyway?) and would grow O.K. I am only a beginner here, so I do not know the right answer, but I think I have heard only to repot when pot-bound for greater growth. However I do agree with your reasoning, that this does not happen in nature so why should we have to do this? The difference in nature is that the surrounding soil is full of roots of other plants, worms, bugs and so on - in other words, there's a lot of activity in there. In a pot, you have a heap of soil in which nothing much is happening - more likely to get stagnant, waterlogged or whatever. I don't know if this is the reason, but its the only reasoning I could work out. There is another effect, which is that plants have two methods or increasing themselves - vegetatively (by growing large, or by throwing out plantlets) or sexually, by producing flowers. Flowers are more effort, so the tendency for many perennial plants is to emphasise vegetative growth when there's plenty of space and food, and emphasise flower growth when space and food is running out, and there may be a need to cast seeds to colonise a new site. Therefore, many plants will flower better if they are pot bound and not over-fed. -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
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In article , email@stephenor
me.freeserve.co.uk writes I am not sure if mine have grafts either. Are citrus plants grafted or not? Some posts here seem to suggest they are (like the orange that grew a lemon) but other posts seem to contradict this. I looked at a grapefruit in the garden centre and compared it with the leaves growing on mine and the leaves seem the same. The leaves are almost like two leaves in one: a figure 8 shape if you like. There is a small leaf at the stem end out of which grows a much bigger leaf. So I am hoping the leaves are of the same variety, which would imply no grafting. If I am lucky enough to get fruit, may be then I will find out. The leaves wouldn't tell you anything about whether there's a graft. The idea of grafting is that you basically make use of the roots of what you are grafting on, but you don't let it produce shoots and leaves, otherwise the greater vigour of the rootstock means that it will take over. So - the only leaves you get on a grafted plant will be those of what you have grafted. Unless, of course it has been neglected, in which case you may have shoots coming up from the base with different leaves - this is what happens with roses - you get suckers thrown from the base which have the smaller leaflets of the dog rose or whatever has been used as a rootstock. Let these grow, and eventually your rose will die off and you'll be left with a flourishing dog rose. You can see a graft because it leaves a lumpy part of the stem where the graft has taken place, either low down, or, in the case of a weeping standard, at the top of the upright stem. -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
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In article , nospam@stepheno
rme.freeserve.co.uk.nospam writes On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 18:55:56 -0000, "David W.E. Roberts" wrote: Is it O.K. to bang it directly into a large pot, or should I pot it on in progressively larger pots? ISTR that flowering plants do better if potted on only when pot bound. However if the lemon was planted in a border then it would be in umpteen squillion megalitres of soil (how big is the earth anyway?) and would grow O.K. I am only a beginner here, so I do not know the right answer, but I think I have heard only to repot when pot-bound for greater growth. However I do agree with your reasoning, that this does not happen in nature so why should we have to do this? The difference in nature is that the surrounding soil is full of roots of other plants, worms, bugs and so on - in other words, there's a lot of activity in there. In a pot, you have a heap of soil in which nothing much is happening - more likely to get stagnant, waterlogged or whatever. I don't know if this is the reason, but its the only reasoning I could work out. There is another effect, which is that plants have two methods or increasing themselves - vegetatively (by growing large, or by throwing out plantlets) or sexually, by producing flowers. Flowers are more effort, so the tendency for many perennial plants is to emphasise vegetative growth when there's plenty of space and food, and emphasise flower growth when space and food is running out, and there may be a need to cast seeds to colonise a new site. Therefore, many plants will flower better if they are pot bound and not over-fed. -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
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In article , email@stephenor
me.freeserve.co.uk writes I am not sure if mine have grafts either. Are citrus plants grafted or not? Some posts here seem to suggest they are (like the orange that grew a lemon) but other posts seem to contradict this. I looked at a grapefruit in the garden centre and compared it with the leaves growing on mine and the leaves seem the same. The leaves are almost like two leaves in one: a figure 8 shape if you like. There is a small leaf at the stem end out of which grows a much bigger leaf. So I am hoping the leaves are of the same variety, which would imply no grafting. If I am lucky enough to get fruit, may be then I will find out. The leaves wouldn't tell you anything about whether there's a graft. The idea of grafting is that you basically make use of the roots of what you are grafting on, but you don't let it produce shoots and leaves, otherwise the greater vigour of the rootstock means that it will take over. So - the only leaves you get on a grafted plant will be those of what you have grafted. Unless, of course it has been neglected, in which case you may have shoots coming up from the base with different leaves - this is what happens with roses - you get suckers thrown from the base which have the smaller leaflets of the dog rose or whatever has been used as a rootstock. Let these grow, and eventually your rose will die off and you'll be left with a flourishing dog rose. You can see a graft because it leaves a lumpy part of the stem where the graft has taken place, either low down, or, in the case of a weeping standard, at the top of the upright stem. -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
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In article , nospam@stepheno
rme.freeserve.co.uk.nospam writes On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 18:55:56 -0000, "David W.E. Roberts" wrote: Is it O.K. to bang it directly into a large pot, or should I pot it on in progressively larger pots? ISTR that flowering plants do better if potted on only when pot bound. However if the lemon was planted in a border then it would be in umpteen squillion megalitres of soil (how big is the earth anyway?) and would grow O.K. I am only a beginner here, so I do not know the right answer, but I think I have heard only to repot when pot-bound for greater growth. However I do agree with your reasoning, that this does not happen in nature so why should we have to do this? The difference in nature is that the surrounding soil is full of roots of other plants, worms, bugs and so on - in other words, there's a lot of activity in there. In a pot, you have a heap of soil in which nothing much is happening - more likely to get stagnant, waterlogged or whatever. I don't know if this is the reason, but its the only reasoning I could work out. There is another effect, which is that plants have two methods or increasing themselves - vegetatively (by growing large, or by throwing out plantlets) or sexually, by producing flowers. Flowers are more effort, so the tendency for many perennial plants is to emphasise vegetative growth when there's plenty of space and food, and emphasise flower growth when space and food is running out, and there may be a need to cast seeds to colonise a new site. Therefore, many plants will flower better if they are pot bound and not over-fed. -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
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In article , email@stephenor
me.freeserve.co.uk writes I am not sure if mine have grafts either. Are citrus plants grafted or not? Some posts here seem to suggest they are (like the orange that grew a lemon) but other posts seem to contradict this. I looked at a grapefruit in the garden centre and compared it with the leaves growing on mine and the leaves seem the same. The leaves are almost like two leaves in one: a figure 8 shape if you like. There is a small leaf at the stem end out of which grows a much bigger leaf. So I am hoping the leaves are of the same variety, which would imply no grafting. If I am lucky enough to get fruit, may be then I will find out. The leaves wouldn't tell you anything about whether there's a graft. The idea of grafting is that you basically make use of the roots of what you are grafting on, but you don't let it produce shoots and leaves, otherwise the greater vigour of the rootstock means that it will take over. So - the only leaves you get on a grafted plant will be those of what you have grafted. Unless, of course it has been neglected, in which case you may have shoots coming up from the base with different leaves - this is what happens with roses - you get suckers thrown from the base which have the smaller leaflets of the dog rose or whatever has been used as a rootstock. Let these grow, and eventually your rose will die off and you'll be left with a flourishing dog rose. You can see a graft because it leaves a lumpy part of the stem where the graft has taken place, either low down, or, in the case of a weeping standard, at the top of the upright stem. -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
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