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Preventing regrowth of horsetails.
On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 15:38:20 -0000, "Nick Wagg"
wrote: "martin" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 13:39:20 +0000, Victoria Clare wrote: (Keith Dancey) wrote in news:c24kno : Beware - Sodium Chlorate is a fire hazard. I have never dared use it. I have seen it used as a firelighter. It burns quite quickly, but I wouldn't say it was as scary as all that. It stays put, unlike, say, petrol, and burns out very quickly. If you have an old shed that has been creosoted, I'd say that's more of a fire hazard. If you add a common household substance you can blow away quite large buildings. Nowadays you can only buy sodium chlorate containing a retardant. Quite safe, even when mixed with C12 H22 O11. One lump or two? -- Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad |
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Preventing regrowth of horsetails.
In article , Keith Dancey
writes Has anyone any experience of using sodium chlorate against horsetail? It would help if we could get some "hands-on" feedback... I have never dared use it. No, but a few years back someone posted here that he had eradicated his by continually cutting it back over a period of about 5 years. He was pretty vicious with it, never letting the foliage see the light of day. -- Jane Ransom in Lancaster. I won't respond to private emails that are on topic for urg but if you need to email me for any other reason, put ransoms at jandg dot demon dot co dot uk where you see |
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Preventing regrowth of horsetails.
"martin" wrote in message ... On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 13:39:20 +0000, Victoria Clare wrote: (Keith Dancey) wrote in news:c24kno : Beware - Sodium Chlorate is a fire hazard. I have never dared use it. I have seen it used as a firelighter. It burns quite quickly, but I wouldn't say it was as scary as all that. It stays put, unlike, say, petrol, and burns out very quickly. If you have an old shed that has been creosoted, I'd say that's more of a fire hazard. If you add a common household substance you can blow away quite large buildings. Nowadays you can only buy sodium chlorate containing a retardant. Quite safe, even when mixed with C12 H22 O11. -- Nick Wagg |
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Preventing regrowth of horsetails.
On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 15:38:20 -0000, "Nick Wagg"
wrote: "martin" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 13:39:20 +0000, Victoria Clare wrote: (Keith Dancey) wrote in news:c24kno : Beware - Sodium Chlorate is a fire hazard. I have never dared use it. I have seen it used as a firelighter. It burns quite quickly, but I wouldn't say it was as scary as all that. It stays put, unlike, say, petrol, and burns out very quickly. If you have an old shed that has been creosoted, I'd say that's more of a fire hazard. If you add a common household substance you can blow away quite large buildings. Nowadays you can only buy sodium chlorate containing a retardant. Quite safe, even when mixed with C12 H22 O11. One lump or two? -- Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad |
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Preventing regrowth of horsetails.
On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 15:38:20 -0000, "Nick Wagg"
wrote: "martin" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 13:39:20 +0000, Victoria Clare wrote: (Keith Dancey) wrote in news:c24kno : Beware - Sodium Chlorate is a fire hazard. I have never dared use it. I have seen it used as a firelighter. It burns quite quickly, but I wouldn't say it was as scary as all that. It stays put, unlike, say, petrol, and burns out very quickly. If you have an old shed that has been creosoted, I'd say that's more of a fire hazard. If you add a common household substance you can blow away quite large buildings. Nowadays you can only buy sodium chlorate containing a retardant. Quite safe, even when mixed with C12 H22 O11. One lump or two? -- Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad |
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Preventing regrowth of horsetails.
"martin" wrote in message ... On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 13:39:20 +0000, Victoria Clare wrote: (Keith Dancey) wrote in news:c24kno : Beware - Sodium Chlorate is a fire hazard. I have never dared use it. I have seen it used as a firelighter. It burns quite quickly, but I wouldn't say it was as scary as all that. It stays put, unlike, say, petrol, and burns out very quickly. If you have an old shed that has been creosoted, I'd say that's more of a fire hazard. If you add a common household substance you can blow away quite large buildings. Yes. It supplies the Oxygen for the explosion. So can your nitrate fertilisers. Franz Franz |
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Preventing regrowth of horsetails.
"Victoria Clare" wrote in message . 240.23... (Keith Dancey) wrote in news:c24kno : Beware - Sodium Chlorate is a fire hazard. I have never dared use it. I have seen it used as a firelighter. It burns quite quickly, but I wouldn't say it was as scary as all that. It stays put, unlike, say, petrol, and burns out very quickly. If you have an old shed that has been creosoted, I'd say that's more of a fire hazard. Sodium chlorate is not inflammable by itself. It is a substance which supplies Oxygen abundantly. When it is spilt onto something which is itself flammable, like wood, it can start a spontaneous fire. Franz |
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Nick Wagg wrote: "martin" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 13:39:20 +0000, Victoria Clare wrote: (Keith Dancey) wrote in news:c24kno : Beware - Sodium Chlorate is a fire hazard. I have never dared use it. I have seen it used as a firelighter. It burns quite quickly, but I wouldn't say it was as scary as all that. It stays put, unlike, say, petrol, and burns out very quickly. If you have an old shed that has been creosoted, I'd say that's more of a fire hazard. If you add a common household substance you can blow away quite large buildings. Nowadays you can only buy sodium chlorate containing a retardant. Quite safe, even when mixed with C12 H22 O11. This was not done on safety grounds, but because our Lords and Masters want a monopoly on the ability to blow people up. Just as most of our gun laws have little to do with safety or the reduction of crime. It never was a fire hazard in a domestic context, except when used completely insanely - unlike hair sprays, petrol and so on, which are serious hazards but are much less regulated. If I had not stopped doing chemistry c. 1963 at O-level, I am sure that I could separate the sodium chlorate from the retardant using only common household chemicals. The result is that gardeners now have to pay 4 times as much for a substance that is probably far more harmful to the environment, and terrorists can continue to buy weapons from the lowest bidder (is the UK number 2 or number 3 in arms sales?) Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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Preventing regrowth of horsetails.
"martin" wrote in message ... On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 13:39:20 +0000, Victoria Clare wrote: (Keith Dancey) wrote in news:c24kno : Beware - Sodium Chlorate is a fire hazard. I have never dared use it. I have seen it used as a firelighter. It burns quite quickly, but I wouldn't say it was as scary as all that. It stays put, unlike, say, petrol, and burns out very quickly. If you have an old shed that has been creosoted, I'd say that's more of a fire hazard. If you add a common household substance you can blow away quite large buildings. Yes. It supplies the Oxygen for the explosion. So can your nitrate fertilisers. Franz Franz |
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Preventing regrowth of horsetails.
"Victoria Clare" wrote in message . 240.23... (Keith Dancey) wrote in news:c24kno : Beware - Sodium Chlorate is a fire hazard. I have never dared use it. I have seen it used as a firelighter. It burns quite quickly, but I wouldn't say it was as scary as all that. It stays put, unlike, say, petrol, and burns out very quickly. If you have an old shed that has been creosoted, I'd say that's more of a fire hazard. Sodium chlorate is not inflammable by itself. It is a substance which supplies Oxygen abundantly. When it is spilt onto something which is itself flammable, like wood, it can start a spontaneous fire. Franz |
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Preventing regrowth of horsetails.
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Nick Wagg wrote: "martin" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 13:39:20 +0000, Victoria Clare wrote: (Keith Dancey) wrote in news:c24kno : Beware - Sodium Chlorate is a fire hazard. I have never dared use it. I have seen it used as a firelighter. It burns quite quickly, but I wouldn't say it was as scary as all that. It stays put, unlike, say, petrol, and burns out very quickly. If you have an old shed that has been creosoted, I'd say that's more of a fire hazard. If you add a common household substance you can blow away quite large buildings. Nowadays you can only buy sodium chlorate containing a retardant. Quite safe, even when mixed with C12 H22 O11. This was not done on safety grounds, but because our Lords and Masters want a monopoly on the ability to blow people up. Just as most of our gun laws have little to do with safety or the reduction of crime. It never was a fire hazard in a domestic context, except when used completely insanely - unlike hair sprays, petrol and so on, which are serious hazards but are much less regulated. If I had not stopped doing chemistry c. 1963 at O-level, I am sure that I could separate the sodium chlorate from the retardant using only common household chemicals. The result is that gardeners now have to pay 4 times as much for a substance that is probably far more harmful to the environment, and terrorists can continue to buy weapons from the lowest bidder (is the UK number 2 or number 3 in arms sales?) Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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from Victoria Clare contains these words: (Keith Dancey) wrote in news:c24kno : Beware - Sodium Chlorate is a fire hazard. I have never dared use it. Nowadays you can only get it with a fire inhibitor added. I have seen it used as a firelighter. It burns quite quickly, but I wouldn't say it was as scary as all that. It stays put, unlike, say, petrol, and burns out very quickly. It doesn't burn at all. You have to mix it with something flammable, and it serves as a source of oxygen if its temperature is raised sufficiently. Mixed with a flammable powder the pure stuff explodes. Pure sodium clorate solution when it soaks into foliage is dangerous, because when dry, the dry leaves will ignite with just a spark. I once saw a field of weeds go up like that. It sent a fireball several hundred feet into the air If you have an old shed that has been creosoted, I'd say that's more of a fire hazard. I wouldn't. If we are still talking about the old unadulterated stuff which I used to buy as a boy, for making bombs, the sun shining through a piece of glass, a carelessly discarded piece of cigarette ash, a spark from a steel heel will all set it off. I used to buy the stuff loose, by the pound, from the local florist. If he'd known what I was using it for he would have had a fit. As it was, he used to warn me how dangerous it was, and it was only with very great difficulty that I held my tongue! -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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Preventing regrowth of horsetails.
"martin" wrote in message ... On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 13:39:20 +0000, Victoria Clare wrote: (Keith Dancey) wrote in news:c24kno : Beware - Sodium Chlorate is a fire hazard. I have never dared use it. I have seen it used as a firelighter. It burns quite quickly, but I wouldn't say it was as scary as all that. It stays put, unlike, say, petrol, and burns out very quickly. If you have an old shed that has been creosoted, I'd say that's more of a fire hazard. If you add a common household substance you can blow away quite large buildings. Yes. It supplies the Oxygen for the explosion. So can your nitrate fertilisers. Franz Franz |
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Preventing regrowth of horsetails.
"Victoria Clare" wrote in message . 240.23... (Keith Dancey) wrote in news:c24kno : Beware - Sodium Chlorate is a fire hazard. I have never dared use it. I have seen it used as a firelighter. It burns quite quickly, but I wouldn't say it was as scary as all that. It stays put, unlike, say, petrol, and burns out very quickly. If you have an old shed that has been creosoted, I'd say that's more of a fire hazard. Sodium chlorate is not inflammable by itself. It is a substance which supplies Oxygen abundantly. When it is spilt onto something which is itself flammable, like wood, it can start a spontaneous fire. Franz |
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Preventing regrowth of horsetails.
In article ,
Nick Wagg wrote: "martin" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 13:39:20 +0000, Victoria Clare wrote: (Keith Dancey) wrote in news:c24kno : Beware - Sodium Chlorate is a fire hazard. I have never dared use it. I have seen it used as a firelighter. It burns quite quickly, but I wouldn't say it was as scary as all that. It stays put, unlike, say, petrol, and burns out very quickly. If you have an old shed that has been creosoted, I'd say that's more of a fire hazard. If you add a common household substance you can blow away quite large buildings. Nowadays you can only buy sodium chlorate containing a retardant. Quite safe, even when mixed with C12 H22 O11. This was not done on safety grounds, but because our Lords and Masters want a monopoly on the ability to blow people up. Just as most of our gun laws have little to do with safety or the reduction of crime. It never was a fire hazard in a domestic context, except when used completely insanely - unlike hair sprays, petrol and so on, which are serious hazards but are much less regulated. If I had not stopped doing chemistry c. 1963 at O-level, I am sure that I could separate the sodium chlorate from the retardant using only common household chemicals. The result is that gardeners now have to pay 4 times as much for a substance that is probably far more harmful to the environment, and terrorists can continue to buy weapons from the lowest bidder (is the UK number 2 or number 3 in arms sales?) Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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