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FWD: RESULT : Create uk.rec.gardening.allotments FAILS 12:26
This just appeared on u.n.n.c. (this forward isn't crossposted)
My thanks to Pedt for running the vote. jane On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 20:45:08 +0000, Pedt Scragg wrote: ~-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- ~ ~RESULT OF CALL FOR VOTES ~ ~Summary: Create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.gardening.allotments ~ ~Create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.gardening.allotments FAILS 12:26 ~ ~NO beat YES by 14 votes. For group passage, there must be 12 more YES ~votes than NO votes. Accordingly, the proposal FAILS. ~ ~- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ~ ~Voting closed at 23:59:59 GMT, 16th March 2004. ~ ~Proponent : Gary Poston gary (at) torbay.eclipse.co.uk ~Votetaker : Pedt Scragg xurga-query (at) dontspame.com ~ ~- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ~ ~Distribution: ~ ~uk.net.news.announce ~uk.net.news.config ~uk.rec.gardening ~ ~- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ~ ~The Results: ~ ~The results follow below in the following order: ~ ~1) Summary of Mail Received During the Voting Period ~2) Results ~3) Individual Vote Details ~4) Votetakers Comments ~5) Voting and Appeal Guidelines ~6) Rationale ~7) Newsgroups Line ~8) Proposed Charter ~ ~- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ~ ~SUMMARY OF MAIL RECEIVED DURING THE VOTING PERIOD ~ ~ 61 emails were received at the ballot request address: ~ ~ 52 : Ballot requests ~ 6 : Viruses/worms ~ 1 : Query from a voter ~ 1 : Test by the votetaker ~ 1 : Test by a voter (see Votetaker comments) ~ ~ ~ 56 emails were received at the vote submission address: ~ ~ 38 : Valid votes ~ 2 : Votes later resubmitted (see Votetaker comments) ~ 1 : Valid vote superseded by a later vote ~ 1 : Invalid vote (see Votetaker comments) ~ 13 : Votetaker queries and subsequent correspondence ~ 1 : Test by the Votetaker ~ ~ ~ 20 emails were received at the vote query address: ~ ~ 18 : Queries and subsequent correspondence ~ 2 : Junk/viruses/worms. ~ ~- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ~ ~RESULTS: ~ ~Create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.gardening.allotments ~ ~ YES : 12 votes ~ NO : 26 votes ~ Total : 38 votes ~ ~NO beat YES by 14 votes. For group passage, there must be 12 more YES ~votes than NO votes. Accordingly, the proposal FAILS. ~ ~- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ~ ~INDIVIDUAL VOTE DETAILS ~ ~Voted Yes - 12 votes ~- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ~Chris Norton chris@norton?zetnet@co@uk YES ~Dan Keeley dan?dankeeley@co@uk YES ~Dangerous sjalldred?tiscali@co@uk YES ~David Uri daviduri?bigfoot@com YES ~Graham Carr gpcarr?ntlworld@com YES ~Martin Sykes martin?sykesm@globalnet@co@uk YES ~Melanie McCluskey melanie-mccluskey?tesco@net YES ~Neil Ellwood carl@ellwood2?btinternet@com YES ~Robert mail?burnley27@fsnet@co@uk YES ~Shazzbat shservices?shservices@fsnet@co@uk YES ~The Barsteward thebarsteward?freeuk@com YES ~Whingin' Pom whinginpom?donotreply@com YES ~ ~ ~Voted No - 26 votes ~- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ~Alan R Williams alanrw?cs@man@ac@uk NO ~Bazza bazzas?btinternet@com NO ~Chris French ngvote?familyfrench@co@uk NO ~Dave Mason xurga?sarnie@org@uk NO ~David WE. Roberts wibble?talk21@com NO ~Derek Turner frderek?cesmail@com NO ~Franz Heymann franz@heyman?btopenworld@com NO ~Jane jane?moonrose@demon@co@uk NO ~Janet Baraclough janet@and@john?zetnet@co@uk NO ~John Rye jrye?ukonline@co@uk NO ~Jon Rouse jon?timewarp@demon@co@uk NO ~Jon Smith basketballjones?lycos@co@uk NO ~Martinp martinp?wanadoo@nl NO ~Max Wright maxwright?wys-systems@demon#co#uk NO ~Neil Jones Neil@Jones?t-mi@com NO ~Pete Fenelon pete?fenelon@com NO ~Peter Smyth psmyth?ukf@net NO ~Rhiannon S mddestiny?aol@com NO ~Richard Ashton {R}?semolina@org NO ~Robert Harvey bobharvey?europe@com NO ~RogerH rogerh?clara@co@uk NO ~Sally Thompson sally@thompson?btinternet@com NO ~Stephen Gower socks-netnews?earth@li NO ~Stuart Baldwin stuart?boxatrix@co@uk NO ~Tony Anson horrid@squeak?zetnet@co@uk NO ~Wm tcnw61?tarrcity@demon@co@uk NO ~ ~ ~Invalid - 1 vote ~- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ~Mike Harvey harveytm?lineone@net ~(See Votetaker comments) ~ ~ ~- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ~ ~Votetaker Comments: ~ ~Very straightforward to count the vote as nearly all voters followed the ~instructions in the Ballot Paper and queries by the votetaker were, with ~one exception, answered quickly and helpfully by the voter. Thank you. ~ ~The vote was a little less straightforward in other respects. A few ~voters suffered email delays after Ballot Papers or Acknowledgements ~were issued and generated some of the correspondence noted in the ~summary - one voter being unfortunate enough to suffer delays to both. ~ ~The test ballot request, noted under email received, was due to a voter ~asking someone to see if the ballot request address was working, rather ~than contacting the Votetaker, after a Ballot Paper was requested to a ~spamtrapped address. Voters are reminded that you need to use a working ~email address for the reply to receive Ballot Papers or if contacting ~the Votetaker. ~ ~Two ballot papers were requested to be resubmitted for technical ~reasons. Both voters submitted valid votes at the 2nd attempt. ~ ~Invalid vote: The one exception mentioned in the initial paragraph of ~these comments was "Mike Harvey" who failed to make any reply to a query ~by the Votetaker. There was no alternative other than to disallow the ~vote. ~ ~The Votetaker was pleasantly surprised that the email address for this ~vote remained remarkably junk and virus/worm free. ~ ~- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ~ ~This vote was conducted by a neutral third party member of UKVoting. ~UKVoting is a group of independent votetakers who count votes on behalf ~of the uk.* hierarchy and other 3rd parties. ~ ~The rules under which votes for the uk.* hierarchy are taken are posted ~regularly to uk.net.news.announce or can be found at the following URL: ~ ~http://www.usenet.org.uk/voting.html ~ ~The UKVoting web pages can be found at http://www.ukvoting.org.uk/ ~ ~There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted to ~uk.net.news.announce. Allegations of irregularity should be sent to ~control at usenet.org.uk ~ ~- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ~ ~RATIONALE: ~ ~I have searched to find many allotment web sites and found that if ~this group was opened it would allow all allotment (and would be) ~allotment holders to to exchange views in one convenient place. ~This in turn would give valued exchange of views by every visitor. ~To also pick up tips and sometimes tricks into allotment gardening. ~ ~- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ~ ~NEWSGROUPS LINE ~ ~uk.rec.gardening.allotments Allotments holders group ~ ~- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ~ ~PROPOSED CHARTER: uk.rec.gardening.allotments ~ ~To discuss allotment issues, planting times, tips on gardening, pest ~controls and general allotment posts. ~ ~Advertising ~ ~Advertising is forbidden ~ ~Binaries & Formatting ~ ~Encoded binaries (e.g. pictures, compressed files, etc.) are ~forbidden. Such material belongs on a web or FTP site to which ~a pointer may be posted. Cryptographic signatures (e.g. PGP) ~may be used where authentication is important and should be as ~short as possible. ~ ~Posts must be readable as plain text. HTML, RTF and similarly ~formatted messages are prohibited. To see how to make some ~common newsreaders comply with this, read ~http://www.usenet.org.uk/ukpost.html. ~ ~Warning. Anyone posting contrary to this charter may be reported to ~their "postmaster" and/or Service Provider. ~ ~END CHARTER ~ ~-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- ~Version: 5.0i ~Charset: noconv ~ ~iQCVAwUBQF9QYGOfGXkh8vHZAQGv6gP+Ibm5oNiN2sJJ+ilMT rn0F0rpmMrkVnI1 ~F3JZ2TAJgMrMPubDt5N1CItj0JaMIWLnklACFUv1LGbzHMeR7 mkT5JxGJBUxkY7U ~6a7O0gcnL3QtQ1b7/flqjZ2wVjHZNgNNMwUdWNeut9BAgo6KaSLVF8yIEi7iB2CK ~VK2Pb+gJczI= ~=AZVi ~-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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RESULT : Create uk.rec.gardening.allotments FAILS 12:26
"jane" wrote in message ... This just appeared on u.n.n.c. (this forward isn't crossposted) My thanks to Pedt for running the vote. jane SNIP I was wondering why it hadn't happened here. I also notice that several voters on both sides are not names I would call regular or even casual posters here, although I have neither the know-how or the inclination to search posting history to confirm or deny this. We must have a lot of lurkers. And incidentally it occurs to me that we haven't heard anything from Shannie for a while. Are you out there Shannie? Steve |
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RESULT : Create uk.rec.gardening.allotments FAILS 12:26
"jane" wrote in message ... This just appeared on u.n.n.c. (this forward isn't crossposted) My thanks to Pedt for running the vote. jane SNIP I was wondering why it hadn't happened here. I also notice that several voters on both sides are not names I would call regular or even casual posters here, although I have neither the know-how or the inclination to search posting history to confirm or deny this. We must have a lot of lurkers. And incidentally it occurs to me that we haven't heard anything from Shannie for a while. Are you out there Shannie? Steve |
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RESULT : Create uk.rec.gardening.allotments FAILS 12:26
We must have a lot of lurkers.
Steve, we do have a lot of lurkers on this newsgroup, far more than others I post in ;-) Mike -- H.M.S.Loch Fada Association Reunion Scarborough April 2nd - 5th H.M.S.Newfoundland Association Reunion Hayling Island April 23rd - 26th Royal Naval Reunion Eastbourne May 7th - 10th H.M.S.Collingwood Association Reunion Bracklesham Bay May 21st - 24th |
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RESULT : Create uk.rec.gardening.allotments FAILS 12:26
In article , "Mike" writes: | We must have a lot of lurkers. | | Steve, we do have a lot of lurkers on this newsgroup, far more than others I | post in ;-) And a heck of a lot of activity! It is one of the most active groups as far as on-topic postings go. Which is not meant to discourage any of the allotment people from changing from lurker to poster - come on, have a go! Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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RESULT : Create uk.rec.gardening.allotments FAILS 12:26
And a heck of a lot of activity! It is one of the most active groups as far as on-topic postings go. could be even more if the 'owners' were to let go a bit :-(( Which is not meant to discourage any of the allotment people from changing from lurker to poster - come on, have a go! They are intiminated. The 'owners' really need to be a bit more friendly. Will that happen? To coin a phrase used by a certain net nanny of the past 'I think not' Mike now watch ;-))))) -- H.M.S.Loch Fada Association Reunion Scarborough April 2nd - 5th H.M.S.Newfoundland Association Reunion Hayling Island April 23rd - 26th Royal Naval Reunion Eastbourne May 7th - 10th H.M.S.Collingwood Association Reunion Bracklesham Bay May 21st - 24th |
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RESULT : Create uk.rec.gardening.allotments FAILS 12:26
"jane" wrote in message ... This just appeared on u.n.n.c. (this forward isn't crossposted) My thanks to Pedt for running the vote. jane On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 20:45:08 +0000, Pedt Scragg wrote: ~-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- ~ ~RESULT OF CALL FOR VOTES ~ ~Summary: Create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.gardening.allotments ~ ~Create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.gardening.allotments FAILS 12:26 ~ ~NO beat YES by 14 votes. For group passage, there must be 12 more YES ~votes than NO votes. Accordingly, the proposal FAILS. Considering the enormous amount of on and off topic discussion, not many votes in total. I am not sure the proposer has posted here yet on allotments (or anything else) but can't be bothered to Google at the moment. :-) A resounding vote for "If it ain't broke don't fix it". Strangely, I just looked through the YES votes and couldn't find the proposer. Does the proposer automatically count as a YES, is (s)he disbarred from voting, or did "Proponent : Gary Poston gary (at) torbay.eclipse.co.uk" not even bother to vote? If so, why waste everyone elses time? A puzzled Dave R |
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RESULT : Create uk.rec.gardening.allotments FAILS 12:26
"jane" wrote in message ... This just appeared on u.n.n.c. (this forward isn't crossposted) My thanks to Pedt for running the vote. jane On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 20:45:08 +0000, Pedt Scragg wrote: ~-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- ~ ~RESULT OF CALL FOR VOTES ~ ~Summary: Create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.gardening.allotments ~ ~Create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.gardening.allotments FAILS 12:26 ~ ~NO beat YES by 14 votes. For group passage, there must be 12 more YES ~votes than NO votes. Accordingly, the proposal FAILS. Considering the enormous amount of on and off topic discussion, not many votes in total. I am not sure the proposer has posted here yet on allotments (or anything else) but can't be bothered to Google at the moment. :-) A resounding vote for "If it ain't broke don't fix it". Strangely, I just looked through the YES votes and couldn't find the proposer. Does the proposer automatically count as a YES, is (s)he disbarred from voting, or did "Proponent : Gary Poston gary (at) torbay.eclipse.co.uk" not even bother to vote? If so, why waste everyone elses time? A puzzled Dave R |
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RESULT : Create uk.rec.gardening.allotments FAILS 12:26
"jane" wrote in message ... This just appeared on u.n.n.c. (this forward isn't crossposted) My thanks to Pedt for running the vote. jane On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 20:45:08 +0000, Pedt Scragg wrote: ~-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- ~ ~RESULT OF CALL FOR VOTES ~ ~Summary: Create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.gardening.allotments ~ ~Create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.gardening.allotments FAILS 12:26 ~ ~NO beat YES by 14 votes. For group passage, there must be 12 more YES ~votes than NO votes. Accordingly, the proposal FAILS. Considering the enormous amount of on and off topic discussion, not many votes in total. I am not sure the proposer has posted here yet on allotments (or anything else) but can't be bothered to Google at the moment. :-) A resounding vote for "If it ain't broke don't fix it". Strangely, I just looked through the YES votes and couldn't find the proposer. Does the proposer automatically count as a YES, is (s)he disbarred from voting, or did "Proponent : Gary Poston gary (at) torbay.eclipse.co.uk" not even bother to vote? If so, why waste everyone elses time? A puzzled Dave R |
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RESULT : Create uk.rec.gardening.allotments FAILS 12:26
"jane" wrote in message ... This just appeared on u.n.n.c. (this forward isn't crossposted) My thanks to Pedt for running the vote. jane On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 20:45:08 +0000, Pedt Scragg wrote: ~-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- ~ ~RESULT OF CALL FOR VOTES ~ ~Summary: Create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.gardening.allotments ~ ~Create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.gardening.allotments FAILS 12:26 ~ ~NO beat YES by 14 votes. For group passage, there must be 12 more YES ~votes than NO votes. Accordingly, the proposal FAILS. Considering the enormous amount of on and off topic discussion, not many votes in total. I am not sure the proposer has posted here yet on allotments (or anything else) but can't be bothered to Google at the moment. :-) A resounding vote for "If it ain't broke don't fix it". Strangely, I just looked through the YES votes and couldn't find the proposer. Does the proposer automatically count as a YES, is (s)he disbarred from voting, or did "Proponent : Gary Poston gary (at) torbay.eclipse.co.uk" not even bother to vote? If so, why waste everyone elses time? A puzzled Dave R |
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RESULT : Create uk.rec.gardening.allotments FAILS 12:26
On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:22:04 -0000, "David W.E. Roberts"
wrote: Strangely, I just looked through the YES votes and couldn't find the proposer. Does the proposer automatically count as a YES, is (s)he disbarred from voting, or did "Proponent : Gary Poston gary (at) torbay.eclipse.co.uk" not even bother to vote? not even bother to vote If so, why waste everyone elses time? It was a troll. |
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RESULT : Create uk.rec.gardening.allotments FAILS 12:26
On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:22:04 -0000, "David W.E. Roberts"
wrote: Strangely, I just looked through the YES votes and couldn't find the proposer. Does the proposer automatically count as a YES, is (s)he disbarred from voting, or did "Proponent : Gary Poston gary (at) torbay.eclipse.co.uk" not even bother to vote? not even bother to vote If so, why waste everyone elses time? It was a troll. |
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RESULT : Create uk.rec.gardening.allotments FAILS 12:26
On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:22:04 -0000, "David W.E. Roberts"
wrote: Strangely, I just looked through the YES votes and couldn't find the proposer. Does the proposer automatically count as a YES, is (s)he disbarred from voting, or did "Proponent : Gary Poston gary (at) torbay.eclipse.co.uk" not even bother to vote? not even bother to vote If so, why waste everyone elses time? It was a troll. |
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RESULT : Create uk.rec.gardening.allotments FAILS 12:26
On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:22:04 -0000, "David W.E. Roberts"
wrote: Strangely, I just looked through the YES votes and couldn't find the proposer. Does the proposer automatically count as a YES, is (s)he disbarred from voting, or did "Proponent : Gary Poston gary (at) torbay.eclipse.co.uk" not even bother to vote? not even bother to vote If so, why waste everyone elses time? It was a troll. |
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RESULT : Create uk.rec.gardening.allotments FAILS 12:26
The message
from "David W.E. Roberts" contains these words: I am not sure the proposer has posted here yet on allotments (or anything else) but can't be bothered to Google at the moment. :-) Yes, quite recently. Started the thread 'strawberry question' and contributed to 'Cucumber seed'. A resounding vote for "If it ain't broke don't fix it". Strangely, I just looked through the YES votes and couldn't find the proposer. Does the proposer automatically count as a YES, is (s)he disbarred from voting, or did "Proponent : Gary Poston gary (at) torbay.eclipse.co.uk" not even bother to vote? Search me. I guess he should have voted. If so, why waste everyone elses time? Ah. You'd better ask him that. -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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