On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 21:42:14 GMT, Jaques d'Alltrades
wrote:

The message
from martin contains these words:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/3568245.stm

"sit at the back of the court for 30 minutes until lunch" and consider
yourself punished or would you prefer the GBP417 fine?

If he sticks to his statement the magistrate(s) has/have been a lot
wiser than they are being given (dis)credit for.

If you feel like seeing other instances of curing bad behaviour by
rewarding it, a good book to read would be 'That Dreadful School' by
A.S.Neill. Well, it's a good all-round book in many ways other than
that.

If you want to see the results of rewarding bad behaviour take a hard
look at UK and the Netherlands.

The message
from martin contains these words:

If you feel like seeing other instances of curing bad behaviour by
rewarding it, a good book to read would be 'That Dreadful School' by
A.S.Neill. Well, it's a good all-round book in many ways other than
that.

If you want to see the results of rewarding bad behaviour take a hard
look at UK and the Netherlands.

That's not the same thing at all. What you're talking about is not
tackling bad behaviour.

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

The message
from martin contains these words:

If you feel like seeing other instances of curing bad behaviour by
rewarding it, a good book to read would be 'That Dreadful School' by
A.S.Neill. Well, it's a good all-round book in many ways other than
that.

If you want to see the results of rewarding bad behaviour take a hard
look at UK and the Netherlands.

That's not the same thing at all. What you're talking about is not
tackling bad behaviour.

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

The message
from martin contains these words:

If you feel like seeing other instances of curing bad behaviour by
rewarding it, a good book to read would be 'That Dreadful School' by
A.S.Neill. Well, it's a good all-round book in many ways other than
that.

If you want to see the results of rewarding bad behaviour take a hard
look at UK and the Netherlands.

That's not the same thing at all. What you're talking about is not
tackling bad behaviour.

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

The message
from martin contains these words:

If you feel like seeing other instances of curing bad behaviour by
rewarding it, a good book to read would be 'That Dreadful School' by
A.S.Neill. Well, it's a good all-round book in many ways other than
that.

If you want to see the results of rewarding bad behaviour take a hard
look at UK and the Netherlands.

That's not the same thing at all. What you're talking about is not
tackling bad behaviour.

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

The message
from martin contains these words:

If you feel like seeing other instances of curing bad behaviour by
rewarding it, a good book to read would be 'That Dreadful School' by
A.S.Neill. Well, it's a good all-round book in many ways other than
that.

If you want to see the results of rewarding bad behaviour take a hard
look at UK and the Netherlands.

That's not the same thing at all. What you're talking about is not
tackling bad behaviour.

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

The message
from martin contains these words:

If you feel like seeing other instances of curing bad behaviour by
rewarding it, a good book to read would be 'That Dreadful School' by
A.S.Neill. Well, it's a good all-round book in many ways other than
that.

If you want to see the results of rewarding bad behaviour take a hard
look at UK and the Netherlands.

That's not the same thing at all. What you're talking about is not
tackling bad behaviour.

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

The message
from martin contains these words:

If you feel like seeing other instances of curing bad behaviour by
rewarding it, a good book to read would be 'That Dreadful School' by
A.S.Neill. Well, it's a good all-round book in many ways other than
that.

If you want to see the results of rewarding bad behaviour take a hard
look at UK and the Netherlands.

That's not the same thing at all. What you're talking about is not
tackling bad behaviour.

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 11:18:41 GMT, Jaques d'Alltrades
wrote:

The message
from martin contains these words:

If you feel like seeing other instances of curing bad behaviour by
rewarding it, a good book to read would be 'That Dreadful School' by
A.S.Neill. Well, it's a good all-round book in many ways other than
that.

If you want to see the results of rewarding bad behaviour take a hard
look at UK and the Netherlands.

That's not the same thing at all. What you're talking about is not
tackling bad behaviour.

No I am talking about rewarding bad behaviour. They reward it in both
countries. Dutch prisons are better than the average A'dam tourist ***
hotel. There's a waiting list for rooms.

On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 11:18:41 GMT, Jaques d'Alltrades
wrote:

The message
from martin contains these words:

If you feel like seeing other instances of curing bad behaviour by
rewarding it, a good book to read would be 'That Dreadful School' by
A.S.Neill. Well, it's a good all-round book in many ways other than
that.

If you want to see the results of rewarding bad behaviour take a hard
look at UK and the Netherlands.

That's not the same thing at all. What you're talking about is not
tackling bad behaviour.

No I am talking about rewarding bad behaviour. They reward it in both
countries. Dutch prisons are better than the average A'dam tourist ***
hotel. There's a waiting list for rooms.

On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 11:18:41 GMT, Jaques d'Alltrades
wrote:

The message
from martin contains these words:

If you feel like seeing other instances of curing bad behaviour by
rewarding it, a good book to read would be 'That Dreadful School' by
A.S.Neill. Well, it's a good all-round book in many ways other than
that.

If you want to see the results of rewarding bad behaviour take a hard
look at UK and the Netherlands.

That's not the same thing at all. What you're talking about is not
tackling bad behaviour.

No I am talking about rewarding bad behaviour. They reward it in both
countries. Dutch prisons are better than the average A'dam tourist ***
hotel. There's a waiting list for rooms.

The message
from martin contains these words:

If you feel like seeing other instances of curing bad behaviour by
rewarding it, a good book to read would be 'That Dreadful School' by
A.S.Neill. Well, it's a good all-round book in many ways other than
that.

If you want to see the results of rewarding bad behaviour take a hard
look at UK and the Netherlands.

That's not the same thing at all. What you're talking about is not
tackling bad behaviour.

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 11:18:41 GMT, Jaques d'Alltrades
wrote:

The message
from martin contains these words:

If you feel like seeing other instances of curing bad behaviour by
rewarding it, a good book to read would be 'That Dreadful School' by
A.S.Neill. Well, it's a good all-round book in many ways other than
that.

If you want to see the results of rewarding bad behaviour take a hard
look at UK and the Netherlands.

That's not the same thing at all. What you're talking about is not
tackling bad behaviour.

No I am talking about rewarding bad behaviour. They reward it in both
countries. Dutch prisons are better than the average A'dam tourist ***
hotel. There's a waiting list for rooms.

"Victoria Clare" wrote in message
. 240.23...
Janet Baraclough.. wrote in
:

The message
from Victoria Clare contains these words:

I'm not a smallholder though. I just have some hedges. If I *were* a
smallholder I think I'd get them mechanically cut: it's an awfully slow
process if you have hedge surrounding several acres to face.

If you mechanically cut a hedge, you end up with a hedge that's bare
or leggy at the bottom and topheavy at the top. A hedge like that won't
keep out wind or animals. Laying it maintains an even thickness from
ground level to the top, which is a better windbreak, wildlife habitat,
and barrier to dogs/children etc.

It still takes a long time.

I lay my own garden hedges, but you'd need a lot of time and/or help
available to maintain all the hedges on a small farm that way: most people
won't have that, and will at most lay the odd one which has been
particularly neglected and needs thickening up, relying on a mechnical
cutter to do the rest.


Surely there's also an economy of scale, type thingy, I mean if you lay a
hedge well it won't need doing again for 10 years, but if you trim it you
have to trim it every year.

Kind of annoys me, round here, when I see farmers planting loads of young
saplings to fill out hedges, which at first sight looks good, and then see
them cutting the established hedges eitehr side of the new saplings down to
about 3 foot high and 2 foot wide.

Isn't the government providing grants for new hedge laying, to try to
improve the quality of the countyside for all the fauna out there, I can't
see a hedge 3x2 foot being a lot of use. Especially when all the blossom has
been chopped off, so no berries this year either.

Duncan

"Victoria Clare" wrote in message
. 240.23...
Janet Baraclough.. wrote in
:

The message
from Victoria Clare contains these words:

I'm not a smallholder though. I just have some hedges. If I *were* a
smallholder I think I'd get them mechanically cut: it's an awfully slow
process if you have hedge surrounding several acres to face.

If you mechanically cut a hedge, you end up with a hedge that's bare
or leggy at the bottom and topheavy at the top. A hedge like that won't
keep out wind or animals. Laying it maintains an even thickness from
ground level to the top, which is a better windbreak, wildlife habitat,
and barrier to dogs/children etc.

It still takes a long time.

I lay my own garden hedges, but you'd need a lot of time and/or help
available to maintain all the hedges on a small farm that way: most people
won't have that, and will at most lay the odd one which has been
particularly neglected and needs thickening up, relying on a mechnical
cutter to do the rest.


Surely there's also an economy of scale, type thingy, I mean if you lay a
hedge well it won't need doing again for 10 years, but if you trim it you
have to trim it every year.

Kind of annoys me, round here, when I see farmers planting loads of young
saplings to fill out hedges, which at first sight looks good, and then see
them cutting the established hedges eitehr side of the new saplings down to
about 3 foot high and 2 foot wide.

Isn't the government providing grants for new hedge laying, to try to
improve the quality of the countyside for all the fauna out there, I can't
see a hedge 3x2 foot being a lot of use. Especially when all the blossom has
been chopped off, so no berries this year either.

Duncan