Jon Senior jon_AT_restlesslemon_DOTco_DOT_uk wrote:

SteveH opined the following...
That's the offence of 'without due care' or 'dangerous driving' - not
undertaking.

Given it would be your word against plod... I think you'd be booked
faster than you could say "Undertaking is not illegal"!

In addition. Were you to be involved in an accident, you might have
trouble with your insurers as they point to the HC and suggest that you
try following its "guidelines" next time.

And do try to relax a little. Ride your bike more. The time sat in your
car is obviously not doing you any good!

Heh. I'm totally chilled, just bored as I'm on a week off work and
couldn't do much after picking up a nasty cut / bruise when the
kickstart kicked back at me..... argh!

The letter of the law is that undertaking _isn't_ illegal... and some
people need to take note of smilies in posts before telling me to
chill....

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In uk.rec.equestrian Matzi wrote:
Undertaking is an offence..trust me on this. Unless in a traffic jam or
split lane situation (ie 2 lanes stay motorway left lane changes to A road
type thing)

The wording in the highway code is "do not move to the nearside lane
to overtake" or something pretty similar to that. It's not got a "do
not" therefore it isn't explicitly illegal. If you are stopped by the
police for doing it and they decide to prosecute then the charge will
be "careless driving" or some such.

I think it's becoming more 'acceptable' to pass on the inside nowadays,
as long as you don't weave from lane to lane and don't behave stupidly
then you are unlikely to be stopped for doing it.

--
Chris Green

wrote:

In uk.rec.equestrian Matzi wrote:
Undertaking is an offence..trust me on this. Unless in a traffic jam or
split lane situation (ie 2 lanes stay motorway left lane changes to A road
type thing)

The wording in the highway code is "do not move to the nearside lane
to overtake" or something pretty similar to that. It's not got a "do
not" therefore it isn't explicitly illegal. If you are stopped by the
police for doing it and they decide to prosecute then the charge will
be "careless driving" or some such.

I think it's becoming more 'acceptable' to pass on the inside nowadays,
as long as you don't weave from lane to lane and don't behave stupidly
then you are unlikely to be stopped for doing it.

*ding*
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http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300
VW Golf GL Cabrio - Alfa 75 TS - Alfa 155 TS Lusso - COSOC KOTL
BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC #

Just as a pint of professional interst..you find you ride/drive diff when
your in a car to when your on a bike? and if so..how? sorry off post subject
lol just intersted.

"SteveH" wrote in message
k...
Jon Senior jon_AT_restlesslemon_DOTco_DOT_uk wrote:

SteveH opined the following...
That's the offence of 'without due care' or 'dangerous driving' - not
undertaking.

Given it would be your word against plod... I think you'd be booked
faster than you could say "Undertaking is not illegal"!

In addition. Were you to be involved in an accident, you might have
trouble with your insurers as they point to the HC and suggest that you
try following its "guidelines" next time.

And do try to relax a little. Ride your bike more. The time sat in your
car is obviously not doing you any good!

Heh. I'm totally chilled, just bored as I'm on a week off work and
couldn't do much after picking up a nasty cut / bruise when the
kickstart kicked back at me..... argh!

The letter of the law is that undertaking _isn't_ illegal... and some
people need to take note of smilies in posts before telling me to
chill....

--
Steve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300
VW Golf GL Cabrio - Alfa 75 TS - Alfa 155 TS Lusso - COSOC KOTL
BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC #

Matzi wrote:

Just as a pint of professional interst..you find you ride/drive diff when
your in a car to when your on a bike? and if so..how? sorry off post subject
lol just intersted.

I think I need to know what your 'professional interest' is before I
admit to anything ;-)

To be honest, it all depends on how I feel on the day. I'll quite
happily potter along at 50mph in NSLs with ClassicFM playing, but other
days I'll be just a little more 'enthusiastic'.

I have, however, found that the more I ride my bike, the more I drive
like a biker - if that makes any sense.

I haven't tried to filter in the car yet, but I do find myself
overtaking where most other car drivers haven't spotted the opportunity
- it's all to do with the road positioning, something you get very good
at when you ride a bike.
--
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http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300
VW Golf GL Cabrio - Alfa 75 TS - Alfa 155 TS Lusso - COSOC KOTL
BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC #

In article ,
(Sarennah) writes:

OT - general tools suitable for women-sized hands and designed to give
extra leverage where necessary to compensate for the typical

Hehe...

IME there are two types of woman. Those who make expert use of a tool
called man, and those who do it themselves as well as any man.

Typical task: building shelving on a brick wall. Problems
encountered: not able to drill as far as desired into wall, especially
when on ladder

Hmmm, the appropriate wall can beat any of us. I actually melted a masonry
bit on a black&decker putting up shelves in my parents previous house.
That was one solid wall!

Bike tools equally

Now there's a Great idea. Homin tools, that bleep when you lose them.

--
Nick Kew

Hi Steve,

I was going to say, 'whatya doing in here', then I saw the cross post
list and thought WTF?

SteveH wrote:

Matzi wrote:

Just as a pint of professional interst..you find you ride/drive diff when
your in a car to when your on a bike? and if so..how? sorry off post subject
lol just intersted.

I think I need to know what your 'professional interest' is before I
admit to anything ;-)

To be honest, it all depends on how I feel on the day. I'll quite
happily potter along at 50mph in NSLs with ClassicFM playing, but other
days I'll be just a little more 'enthusiastic'.

I have, however, found that the more I ride my bike, the more I drive
like a biker - if that makes any sense.

I do for sure :-) Except my car won't do 130mph, and doesn't lean in
corners.

I haven't tried to filter in the car yet, but I do find myself
overtaking where most other car drivers haven't spotted the opportunity
- it's all to do with the road positioning, something you get very good
at when you ride a bike.

I have filtered the car, quite successfully too, although I did get a
lot of hoots from the other drivers ;-)

--
Andy Hewitt ** FAF#1, (Ex-OSOS#5) - FJ1200 ABS
Honda Concerto 16v: Windows free zone (Mac G5 Dual Processor)
http://www.thehewitts.plus.com - now online

Andy Hewitt wrote:

Hi Steve,

I was going to say, 'whatya doing in here', then I saw the cross post
list and thought WTF?

Looks at cross-posting list......

I didn't know you were a bike-riding, horsey fisherman who drives a
classic car to the garden centre ;-)

--
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http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300
VW Golf GL Cabrio - Alfa 75 TS - Alfa 155 TS Lusso - COSOC KOTL
BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC #

Andy Hewitt wrote:

I have, however, found that the more I ride my bike, the more I drive
like a biker - if that makes any sense.

I do for sure :-) Except my car won't do 130mph, and doesn't lean in
corners.

Well, my car will do 130mph, but it leans the wrong way in the bends ;-)

I haven't tried to filter in the car yet, but I do find myself
overtaking where most other car drivers haven't spotted the opportunity
- it's all to do with the road positioning, something you get very good
at when you ride a bike.

I have filtered the car, quite successfully too, although I did get a
lot of hoots from the other drivers ;-)

Nice. I am tempted to try using the 'bike lane' on the A465 to Hereford,
but that would rely on the person I'm overtaking and the one coming the
other way making a gap for me.

I'm not convinced the yokels up there would do that ;-)
--
Steve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300
VW Golf GL Cabrio - Alfa 75 TS - Alfa 155 TS Lusso - COSOC KOTL
BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC #

On Thu, 27 May 2004 21:45:29 +0100, "Matzi"
wrote in message
:

Just as a pint of professional interst..

Make that two pints of professional interst and a special pleading
shandy, if you would...

Guy
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SteveH wrote:

Andy Hewitt wrote:

Hi Steve,

I was going to say, 'whatya doing in here', then I saw the cross post
list and thought WTF?

Looks at cross-posting list......

I didn't know you were a bike-riding, horsey fisherman who drives a
classic car to the garden centre ;-)

Well there you go, never can tell, can you? ;-)

--
Andy Hewitt ** FAF#1, (Ex-OSOS#5) - FJ1200 ABS
Honda Concerto 16v: Windows free zone (Mac G5 Dual Processor)
http://www.thehewitts.plus.com - now online

SteveH wrote:

Snipped Text
Well, my car will do 130mph, but it leans the wrong way in the bends ;-)

Well, I'm not going to get into talking about your cars ;-)

I haven't tried to filter in the car yet, but I do find myself
overtaking where most other car drivers haven't spotted the opportunity
- it's all to do with the road positioning, something you get very good
at when you ride a bike.

I have filtered the car, quite successfully too, although I did get a
lot of hoots from the other drivers ;-)

Nice. I am tempted to try using the 'bike lane' on the A465 to Hereford,
but that would rely on the person I'm overtaking and the one coming the
other way making a gap for me.

I did mine on the A5 from Redbourn to St. Albans. I just plain forgot I
was in the car, rammed it down a gear, stuck my foot down, and just went
for it. Luckily the road is quite wide there.

I'm not convinced the yokels up there would do that ;-)

Up here all the yokels drive 38 tonners.

--
Andy Hewitt ** FAF#1, (Ex-OSOS#5) - FJ1200 ABS
Honda Concerto 16v: Windows free zone (Mac G5 Dual Processor)
http://www.thehewitts.plus.com - now online

Please point to the law / section of the Highway Code that outlaws
'undertaking'.

Highway Code paragraph 139
"only overtake on the left if the vehicle in front is signalling to
turn right, and there is room to do so
stay in your lane if traffic is moving slowly in queues. If the queue
on your right is moving more slowly than you are, you may pass on the
left
give motorcyclists, cyclists and horse riders at least as much room as
you would a car when overtaking(see Rules 188, 189 and 191"

So unless in slow moving queues or undertaking a vehicle indicating a
right turn the highway code says don't do it. These rules are advisory
however in if an accident was caused by a driver ignoring them he
could be charged with
driving without due care and attention
Iain

On Wed, 26 May 2004 21:22:31 +0100, "Chris" wrote
(more or less):

I am in the final year of a technology education degree course, part of
which involves designing a product and manufacturing it to prototype stage.
The product has to be original, or better designed, than any similar product
on the market. I am posting this message to a number of newsgroups in the
hope that someone will have a problem with a product they use, or can't find
a product to suit their requirements in the market place. I would appreciate
any (sensible) suggestions.

A combo speed sensor, distance sensor, and illuminating sign saying
"You're driving too close!". (new item)

Or a digicam that you can hit the button on, that then stores the last
30-45 seconds of whatever it's seen. (Currently available at about
$400 US)


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Euan
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Nathaniel Porter wrote in message
...


Why not just have a switch to flash a light or something? You don't type
out
a message for "I intend to turn left ahead" do you ;-)

Then there's a question of timing. A surprising number of people flash a
light to signal "I have just turned left"

Jim