Hi,

Last year we cultivated an area of garden for my children to play in.

We used Tumbleweed to destroy all the weeds, rotivated serval times, made borders, laid turf, planted bulbs etc.

Now it is a sea of green. Wild garlick everywhere. It is a foot high over the whole lawn, borders and everything.

What can I do to destroy it for good? Do I use a weed killer that goes down into the roots, wait, and start again?

Thanks

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Hi,

Last year we cultivated an area of garden for my children to play in.

We used Tumbleweed to destroy all the weeds, rotivated serval times,
made borders, laid turf, planted bulbs etc.

Now it is a sea of green. Wild garlick everywhere. It is a foot high
over the whole lawn, borders and everything.

Are you sure you mean wild garlic? Garlic smelling bulb that has wide
green leaves from the base and clusters of small white flowers in the
spring, and which then dies down over the summer? It doesn't grow as
high as a foot and it wouldn't colonise that area that quickly.

Do you mean hedge garlic, a member of the cabbage family, less strong
garlic small, smaller leaves all the way the stem, clusters of white
flowers, actively growing from spring through to autumn? I'm surprised
that regular mowing hasn't stopped it in the lawn. It's not a
particularly persistent weed, so pulling it out wherever you see it
should get rid of it, then next year pulling out any new seedlings.
You'll probably always have it around, but you should be able to keep it
well under control.

--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"

Hi Kay,

You may be right, I cannot tell one type from another, I can post pics if it helps

Cheers

Loop

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Kay Wrote:
In article , loop loop.1ga2jn@news
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Hi,

Last year we cultivated an area of garden for my children to play in.

We used Tumbleweed to destroy all the weeds, rotivated serval times,
made borders, laid turf, planted bulbs etc.

Now it is a sea of green. Wild garlick everywhere. It is a foot high
over the whole lawn, borders and everything.
-
Are you sure you mean wild garlic? Garlic smelling bulb that has wide
green leaves from the base and clusters of small white flowers in the
spring, and which then dies down over the summer? It doesn't grow as
high as a foot and it wouldn't colonise that area that quickly.

Do you mean hedge garlic, a member of the cabbage family, less strong
garlic small, smaller leaves all the way the stem, clusters of white
flowers, actively growing from spring through to autumn? I'm surprised
that regular mowing hasn't stopped it in the lawn. It's not a
particularly persistent weed, so pulling it out wherever you see it
should get rid of it, then next year pulling out any new seedlings.
You'll probably always have it around, but you should be able to keep
it
well under control.

--

You may be right, I cannot tell one type from another, I can post pics
if it helps

If you post pics to a website and post the url here, it would give an
idea. Hedge garlic isn't a particularly difficult weed, so before
advising you on that, it would be as well to check that you haven't got
anything worse.
--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"

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Kay Wrote:
In article , loop loop.1ga2jn@news
..gardenbanter.co.uk writes-

Hi,

Last year we cultivated an area of garden for my children to play in.

We used Tumbleweed to destroy all the weeds, rotivated serval times,
made borders, laid turf, planted bulbs etc.

Now it is a sea of green. Wild garlick everywhere. It is a foot high
over the whole lawn, borders and everything.
-
Are you sure you mean wild garlic? Garlic smelling bulb that has wide
green leaves from the base and clusters of small white flowers in the
spring, and which then dies down over the summer? It doesn't grow as
high as a foot and it wouldn't colonise that area that quickly.

Do you mean hedge garlic, a member of the cabbage family, less strong
garlic small, smaller leaves all the way the stem, clusters of white
flowers, actively growing from spring through to autumn? I'm surprised
that regular mowing hasn't stopped it in the lawn. It's not a
particularly persistent weed, so pulling it out wherever you see it
should get rid of it, then next year pulling out any new seedlings.
You'll probably always have it around, but you should be able to keep
it
well under control.

--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"

Hi Kay,

You may be right, I cannot tell one type from another, I can post pics
if it helps

Does it have triangular cross-section stems?
If so it is an intreoduced garlic called Allium triquetrum which is very
invasive ok.
If you keep mowing the grass, it will get worn out eventually.
In borders, just keep pulling it out. It will persist for ages but will
become manageable if you keep going at it.


Cheers

Loop


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loop

Des Higgins wrote:
[...]
Does it have triangular cross-section stems?
If so it is an intreoduced garlic called Allium triquetrum which is
very invasive ok.
If you keep mowing the grass, it will get worn out eventually.
In borders, just keep pulling it out. It will persist for ages but
will become manageable if you keep going at it.

Except that it isn't fully hardy in most parts of England, is it?
I've seen it in moderate profusion in the wild in Cornwall, but I
doubt if it would spread like a weed in cooler areas.

Mike.

"Mike Lyle" wrote in message
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Des Higgins wrote:
[...]
Does it have triangular cross-section stems?
If so it is an intreoduced garlic called Allium triquetrum which is
very invasive ok.
If you keep mowing the grass, it will get worn out eventually.
In borders, just keep pulling it out. It will persist for ages but
will become manageable if you keep going at it.

Except that it isn't fully hardy in most parts of England, is it?
I've seen it in moderate profusion in the wild in Cornwall, but I
doubt if it would spread like a weed in cooler areas.

I have seen it in rampant in several places in Dublin which is not exactly
tropical although it is milder than much of the UK.
Anyway, it either is or it isn't. If he can post a photo we will soon find
out.



Mike.

Des Higgins wrote:

Does it have triangular cross-section stems?
If so it is an intreoduced garlic called Allium triquetrum which is very
invasive ok.

The 'Three-cornered Leek' is exceptionally well established in well
drained soils around the coasts of Devon and Cornwall - especially in
the south. In the UK, the spread is by tiny bulbils and not seed and
I suspect that our spring and early summer weather is too cool to
enable pollination to take place. It can develop huge colonies in dry
hedge rows and close to stone walls, flowering profusely in early
summer. It is possibly the plant that is causing problems, although
it is unlikely to make great colonies further inland or north -
especially away from the coast.

Ransoms (Allium ursinum) is essentially a plant of shaded, humus rich,
woodland soils tending to remain in the southern part of the country
and not extending much further north than southern Shropshire in the
west and Lincolnshire in the north. However, the recent spate of very
mild winters may have encouraged it to spread further. I've never
know it to recommence growth after dying down in early-mid summer -
even when the bulbs are lifted and replanted.

Ironically, it can be a bit tricky to cultivate well (we are looking
to start trials with using extracts to act as natural, 'organic'
fungicides). Even more ironically, it appears to suffer boytritus, if
grown intensively for a few years - especially if 'field grown' in
open situations on well drained or dryish soils. It does not like
prolonged direct sunlight - in the south at least.

BTW, in recent years 'enlightened' restaurateurs have discovered the
very considerable culinary virtues of Ramsoms - especially the young
unfolding leaves and cropping them before flowering substantially
weakens the bulbs. New growth rarely re-appears for that year and in
a couple of seasons, the colony can be virtually wiped out. We're
considering establishing it further in our orchards so that it can be
added to our 'hot' salad packs that are locally very popular.


Dave Poole
Torquay, Coastal South Devon UK
Winter min -2°C. Summer max 34°C.
Growing season: March - November

Dave Poole wrote:
Des Higgins wrote:

Does it have triangular cross-section stems?
If so it is an intreoduced garlic called Allium triquetrum which
is
very invasive ok.

The 'Three-cornered Leek' is exceptionally well established in well
drained soils around the coasts of Devon and Cornwall - especially
in
the south.[...] it is unlikely to make great colonies further
inland or north -
especially away from the coast.

Spot on.

Ransoms (Allium ursinum) is essentially a plant of shaded, humus
rich,
woodland soils tending to remain in the southern part of the
country
and not extending much further north than southern Shropshire in
the
west and Lincolnshire in the north.

Let us, however, pause in silent tribute to the notable colony which
much once have flourished to give a melodious name to that part of
Greater Manchester known as Ramsbottom.

However, the recent spate of very
mild winters may have encouraged it to spread further. I've never
know it to recommence growth after dying down in early-mid summer -
even when the bulbs are lifted and replanted.

Ironically, it can be a bit tricky to cultivate well [...]

I planted ramsons in humus-rich soil on a shady north-facing stream
bank in Carmarthenshire, and it got on like a house on fire. It
really does need those conditions if you want a lot of it. I wonder,
is there another crop you grow which could provide the shade? Or if
you have a lot of east-west hedge?

Mike.

"loop" wrote in message
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Hi,

Last year we cultivated an area of garden for my children to play
in.

We used Tumbleweed to destroy all the weeds, rotivated serval times,
made borders, laid turf, planted bulbs etc.

Now it is a sea of green. Wild garlick everywhere. It is a foot high
over the whole lawn, borders and everything.

What can I do to destroy it for good? Do I use a weed killer that
goes
down into the roots, wait, and start again?

If you mow it very regularly, the grass will ultimately win.

Franz

We are beyond mowing.

It has taken over the whole garden. We have mown over and over and the garlick is winning. I am prepared to flatten the lot and start over if it means the end of this. I can post a pic if it helps.

thanks to everyone who has replied

Loop

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Franz Heymann Wrote:
"loop" wrote in message
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Hi,

Last year we cultivated an area of garden for my children to play-
in.-

We used Tumbleweed to destroy all the weeds, rotivated serval
times,
made borders, laid turf, planted bulbs etc.

Now it is a sea of green. Wild garlick everywhere. It is a foot
high
over the whole lawn, borders and everything.

What can I do to destroy it for good? Do I use a weed killer that-
goes-
down into the roots, wait, and start again?-

If you mow it very regularly, the grass will ultimately win.

Franz


We are beyond mowing.

It has taken over the whole garden. We have mown over and over and
the
garlick is winning. I am prepared to flatten the lot and start over
if
it means the end of this. I can post a pic if it helps.

Market it. By Sod's law it will then soon disappear
{:-))

Perhalps you need not dig it out. Why don't you wait till the next
growing season and try a selective herbicide on it?

Franz

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Last year we cultivated an area of garden for my children to play in.

We used Tumbleweed to destroy all the weeds, rotivated serval times,
made borders, laid turf, planted bulbs etc.

Now it is a sea of green. Wild garlick everywhere. It is a foot high
over the whole lawn, borders and everything.

What can I do to destroy it for good? Do I use a weed killer that goes
down into the roots, wait, and start again?

Dig it up and send it to me...

....if it really is any sort of garlic. Doesn't sound like it, though.

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It smells strongly of garlick when cut. It has small white bulbs. It flowers white.

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Jaques d'Alltrades Wrote:
The message
from loop contains these words:
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Last year we cultivated an area of garden for my children to play
in.-
-
We used Tumbleweed to destroy all the weeds, rotivated serval times,
made borders, laid turf, planted bulbs etc.-
-
Now it is a sea of green. Wild garlick everywhere. It is a foot high
over the whole lawn, borders and everything.-
-
What can I do to destroy it for good? Do I use a weed killer that
goes
down into the roots, wait, and start again?-

Dig it up and send it to me...

....if it really is any sort of garlic. Doesn't sound like it, though.


It smells strongly of garlick when cut. It has small white bulbs. It
flowers white.

Not hedge garlic. Sounds like wild garlic. I'm astonished that it is as
thick as you say, and also that it is around at this time of year - it
should have died down. If it is wild garlic, it must have been in the
soil before - it can't have grown that much from seed in one year - I'd
I am surprised that it survived all the disturbance.
--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"