"David Cleland" wrote in message
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anyone recommend a tree or bush that will take a bit of wind beating ?
Ideally will spread 2-3 feet in area and be 4-6 feet high.

David

I'd not recommend Bush at all, perhaps a nice flowering Kelly? "~)

On a more serious note, a rhus might do the trick. They are very wind tolerant
and can be kept small:
http://www-ang.kfunigraz.ac.at/~katz...?Rhus_cor.html

Jenny

In article ,
"JennyC" writes:
| "David Cleland" wrote in message
| ...
|
| anyone recommend a tree or bush that will take a bit of wind beating ?
| Ideally will spread 2-3 feet in area and be 4-6 feet high.
|
| I'd not recommend Bush at all, perhaps a nice flowering Kelly? "~)
|
| On a more serious note, a rhus might do the trick. They are very
| wind tolerant and can be kept small:
| http://www-ang.kfunigraz.ac.at/~katz...?Rhus_cor.html

Not R. typhina, nor several of the others. They sucker like the
devil. Even Cotinus coggygria produces shoots 6' in a season.
Also, I don't think that they ARE particularly wind tolerant by
Northern Irish standards - remember that it is a lot windier than
even the south-east of England, let alone Austria or the USA.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

On 10/1/05 15:51, in article , "JennyC"
wrote:


"David Cleland" wrote in message
...
anyone recommend a tree or bush that will take a bit of wind beating ?
Ideally will spread 2-3 feet in area and be 4-6 feet high.

David

I'd not recommend Bush at all, perhaps a nice flowering Kelly? "~)

On a more serious note, a rhus might do the trick. They are very wind tolerant
and can be kept small:
http://www-ang.kfunigraz.ac.at/~katz...?Rhus_cor.html

Don't they sucker badly - and I think they're very toxic, too?
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)

"Sacha" wrote in message
k...
On 10/1/05 15:51, in article , "JennyC"
wrote:


"David Cleland" wrote in message
...
anyone recommend a tree or bush that will take a bit of wind beating ?
Ideally will spread 2-3 feet in area and be 4-6 feet high.

David

I'd not recommend Bush at all, perhaps a nice flowering Kelly? "~)

On a more serious note, a rhus might do the trick. They are very wind
tolerant
and can be kept small:
http://www-ang.kfunigraz.ac.at/~katz...?Rhus_cor.html

Don't they sucker badly - and I think they're very toxic, too?


That would be an issue as I have two small children

David

"Sacha" wrote
"JennyC" wrote:
"David Cleland" wrote
anyone recommend a tree or bush that will take a bit of wind beating ?
Ideally will spread 2-3 feet in area and be 4-6 feet high.
David

I'd not recommend Bush at all, perhaps a nice flowering Kelly? "~)
On a more serious note, a rhus might do the trick. They are very wind
tolerant
and can be kept small:
http://www-ang.kfunigraz.ac.at/~katz...?Rhus_cor.html

Don't they sucker badly - and I think they're very toxic, too?
Sacha

Yes and no. I find the suckers pull up easily :~)
I just love the 'furry' bark and the red plumes......
Jenny

In article , David Cleland
writes

"Sacha" wrote in message
. uk...

That would be an issue as I have two small children

In which case you need to carry out some serious education. So many
garden and wild plants are poisonous that you can't hope to eradicate
them all - and even if you could eradicate them in your own garden, you
have no control over other people's gardens or public parks or the
countryside. There isn't really a substitute for teaching children not
to eat anything they find without showing it to a responsible adult
first.

If your own garden is safe, it is easy to be complacent and miss out the
education, which means your children are at extra risk once they venture
out beyond your supervision.
--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"

On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 13:51:56 +0000, Sacha
wrote:

On 9/1/05 13:12, in article , "David
Cleland" wrote:

anyone recommend a tree or bush that will take a bit of wind beating ?
Ideally will spread 2-3 feet in area and be 4-6 feet high.

David


Tamarisk, Escallonia, Olearia, Eleagnus ebbingei is beautifully fragrant,
though some trimming will be be needed to keep all of them just where you
want but that applies to most things. ;-)

But, as I think it was Janet Baraclough who pointed out when I
recommended a similar list a few weeks ago, they wouldn't survive
their first winter on the top of the Cairngorms. OK for milder
locations, but they're not fully hardy.


--
Chris

E-mail: christopher[dot]hogg[at]virgin[dot]net

On 10/1/05 17:48, in article , "Kay"
wrote:

In article , David Cleland
writes

"Sacha" wrote in message
k...

That would be an issue as I have two small children

In which case you need to carry out some serious education. So many
garden and wild plants are poisonous that you can't hope to eradicate
them all - and even if you could eradicate them in your own garden, you
have no control over other people's gardens or public parks or the
countryside. There isn't really a substitute for teaching children not
to eat anything they find without showing it to a responsible adult
first.

If your own garden is safe, it is easy to be complacent and miss out the
education, which means your children are at extra risk once they venture
out beyond your supervision.

I agree with you in principle Kay but IIRC, this is toxic on skin contact
to some people, so for small children that is a definite consideration.

--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)

In article , Sacha
writes
On 10/1/05 17:48, in article , "Kay"
wrote:

In article , David Cleland
writes

"Sacha" wrote in message
k...

That would be an issue as I have two small children

In which case you need to carry out some serious education. So many
garden and wild plants are poisonous that you can't hope to eradicate
them all - and even if you could eradicate them in your own garden, you
have no control over other people's gardens or public parks or the
countryside. There isn't really a substitute for teaching children not
to eat anything they find without showing it to a responsible adult
first.

If your own garden is safe, it is easy to be complacent and miss out the
education, which means your children are at extra risk once they venture
out beyond your supervision.

I agree with you in principle Kay but IIRC, this is toxic on skin contact
to some people, so for small children that is a definite consideration.

Yes, very true. And would apply to some other plants too.

I seem to have developed a general plant sap allergy :-(
Intolerable itching after gardening work, especially if there's been any
abrasion (however slight) to the skin. I got to the stage I couldn't
prune the loganberries - have uprooted them and replaced them by
thornless ones, so hope that will improve matters.
--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"

In article ,
Kay wrote:
In article , David Cleland
writes

That would be an issue as I have two small children

In which case you need to carry out some serious education. So many
garden and wild plants are poisonous that you can't hope to eradicate
them all - and even if you could eradicate them in your own garden, you
have no control over other people's gardens or public parks or the
countryside. There isn't really a substitute for teaching children not
to eat anything they find without showing it to a responsible adult
first.

Agreed, but even I wouldn't plant one of the sumachs where people
would necessarily brush against it. Nettles, now, THERE are some
nicely educational plants :-)

Actually, there are quite a lot.

Child: Can I eat this?
Logician: Yes, certainly.
Child: Is it poisonous?
Logician: No, it is quite safe.
Child: But will I like it?
Logician: You will have to try to see.
Child: But do YOU like it?
Logician: No, I think it's disgusting.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

On 10/1/05 18:06, in article ,
"Chris Hogg" wrote:

On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 13:51:56 +0000, Sacha
wrote:

On 9/1/05 13:12, in article , "David
Cleland" wrote:

anyone recommend a tree or bush that will take a bit of wind beating ?
Ideally will spread 2-3 feet in area and be 4-6 feet high.

David


Tamarisk, Escallonia, Olearia, Eleagnus ebbingei is beautifully fragrant,
though some trimming will be be needed to keep all of them just where you
want but that applies to most things. ;-)

But, as I think it was Janet Baraclough who pointed out when I
recommended a similar list a few weeks ago, they wouldn't survive
their first winter on the top of the Cairngorms. OK for milder
locations, but they're not fully hardy.

The OP lives in Lisburn, N. Ireland and I gave those suggestions before
asking him his location. Then I sent him the name of some nurseries which
seem to stock some of the plants, so a call to a few of those should help
him find out what he can or can't grow in his particular area. I think
some of those I suggested initially will be out but the others might be
possible, depending on just how severe frosts are in his precise location.
But this does show how helpful it is if newcomers tell us where they live.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)

In article , Janet Baraclough
writes

I agree, but with sumac, some people only need brush against rhus'
hairy stems to develop a painful skin sensitivity which isn't as trivial
as a nettle sting. So, perhaps best avoided in gardens with small
children.

OK, that's three of you! Lesson learnt
--
Kay - going to crawl under a stone ;-)

"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
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I suggest buddleia globosa. It will reach the size you want in the
first season. In Ireland's mild climate (and mine) it's evergreen, hard
pruning will keep it dense and shapely, and it's reliably windproof
here (overlooking the sea, has shrugged off gale-force winds all
winter). In summer it produces masses of yellow ball flowers which
attract many butterflies. It doesn't get pests or diseases, is not
poisonous or thorny or rash-inducing, the roots won't endanger your
foundations or drains, and new plants are easily propagated by sticking
a cutting in the soil. You could buy one plant (widely available from
any good garden centre) and grow yourself a whole row of them in a
couple of months from cuttings.

B. globosa is a great plant, but doesn't it lose next year's flowers if you
prune it? Unpruned ones seem to reach 12' pretty quick, too. Btw, I don't
think mine can quite decide if it wants to be evergreen or not - since
November every green leaf seems to be next to a dead brown leaf that doesn't
want to fall off.

In article ,
Glen Able wrote:

B. globosa is a great plant, but doesn't it lose next year's flowers if you
prune it? Unpruned ones seem to reach 12' pretty quick, too. Btw, I don't
think mine can quite decide if it wants to be evergreen or not - since
November every green leaf seems to be next to a dead brown leaf that doesn't
want to fall off.

No. As with clematis, most summer-flowering buddleia flower on the
current year's growth. You can take it back with shears and a hatchet
in winter, and it will be happy - just like B. davidii.

Again, like many other plants it is a facultative evergreen, not an
obligate one (Kay, note!) In warmer areas or winters, it will remain
evergreen but, in colder ones, it will be deciduous. Again, just like
B. davidii.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

never inhale the smoke of burning Rhus...can give lung disease.