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Source needed for Arizona grape vines (Vitis arizonica)
I'm helping some friends put in a small vineyard, and I thought a few Arizona grape vines would be a nice addition to the mix. However, I'm unable to find a source for these vines. In fact, most of the people I've spoken with at local (Phoenix, AZ) nurseries have never even heard of such a grape. Anyone know of a source for these vines? I'm quite willing to start the vines from seeds if that's my only option. Thanks, Greg G. |
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Source needed for Arizona grape vines (Vitis arizonica)
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oups.com... I'm helping some friends put in a small vineyard, and I thought a few Arizona grape vines would be a nice addition to the mix. However, I'm unable to find a source for these vines. In fact, most of the people I've spoken with at local (Phoenix, AZ) nurseries have never even heard of such a grape. Anyone know of a source for these vines? I'm quite willing to start the vines from seeds if that's my only option. ========================== Hey Greg, Canyon Grape, Vitis arizonica, is a wild grape that grows in canyons and riparian areas in our AZ mid elevation deserts around the Verde valley. You might try a nursery in Cottonwood or Clarkdale or maybe Sedona. Or try Watters nursery in Prescott. But I suspect you may have hike the canyons in April or May when it's green and blooming - see photo at http://www.fireflyforest.com/flowers...s/plant22.html Olin |
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Source needed for Arizona grape vines (Vitis arizonica)
nonnymoose wrote: I've been trying to find them for some months now - without luck. If you find a source and can share, would sure appreciate the info. Karen I finally found a nursery in Payson, Arizona that has them. I'm not sure where you are located or if a drive to Payson is an option, but the nursery is "Plant Fair Nursery, Inc.". They are listed in the phone directory. If that's not an option and you are extremely patient, I could send you a few seeds in 2 or 3 years :-) Greg G. |
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Source needed for Arizona grape vines (Vitis arizonica)
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grapes don't come true from seeds. You need cuttings. Wine grapes need to attain at least 21% sugar unless you are planing on making sparkling wine, where you only need 16% to 17% sugar in the juice. Before you run out and plant a few acres, you may want to run this idea by an agriculture advisor. Good luck:-) - Bill Coloribus gustibus non disputatum In article .com, wrote: nonnymoose wrote: I've been trying to find them for some months now - without luck. If you find a source and can share, would sure appreciate the info. Karen I finally found a nursery in Payson, Arizona that has them. I'm not sure where you are located or if a drive to Payson is an option, but the nursery is "Plant Fair Nursery, Inc.". They are listed in the phone directory. If that's not an option and you are extremely patient, I could send you a few seeds in 2 or 3 years :-) Greg G. |
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Source needed for Arizona grape vines (Vitis arizonica)
"Bill Rose" wrote in message ... Guys, grapes don't come true from seeds. You need cuttings. Wine grapes need to attain at least 21% sugar unless you are planing on making sparkling wine, where you only need 16% to 17% sugar in the juice. Before you run out and plant a few acres, you may want to run this idea by an agriculture advisor. Good luck:-) - Bill Coloribus gustibus non disputatum The Arizona grape (Canyon grape) is a wild berry-sized grape that seems to survive and self propagate without human intervention. Not very good for either eating or for wine but probaly interesting if one wants to grow a native plant garden. Olin In article .com, wrote: ng to grow nonnymoose wrote: I've been trying to find them for some months now - without luck. If you find a source and can share, would sure appreciate the info. Karen I finally found a nursery in Payson, Arizona that has them. I'm not sure where you are located or if a drive to Payson is an option, but the nursery is "Plant Fair Nursery, Inc.". They are listed in the phone directory. If that's not an option and you are extremely patient, I could send you a few seeds in 2 or 3 years :-) Greg G. |
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Source needed for Arizona grape vines (Vitis arizonica)
Bill Rose wrote:
Guys, grapes don't come true from seeds. You need cuttings. ... Really? Amazing that somehow grape vines survived and evolved for many millennia without any human intervention. Grape vines can be started from seed... in fact, some grape varieties are difficult to start from cuttings and must be started from seeds. But I guess I must be wrong, because as the self-appointed grape vine expert, you are taking the time to correct me in my error. I wish you would have shared your insight with the nursery I bought the vine from, as it certainly is not grafted and appears to have been started from seed. Had they known this was impossible, I'm sure they wouldn't have tried it. Thanks and regards, Greg G. |
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Source needed for Arizona grape vines (Vitis arizonica)
Bill Rose wrote: ... However, if the vines are a culinary effort, get cuttings and the vines will come true. The subject of this thread is Vitis arizonica, not Pinot Noir. Define "true" in the context of the lowly Arizona grape. There is absolutely no reason to constrain oneself to propogating cuttings of this plant. Seeds should be fine. Greg G., you come across a little edgy. Are you getting enough fiber? Sorry if I seem edgy, I just get a little bent of out shape when self appointed experts like yourself jump in with advice that is neither relevant nor helpful. Regards, Greg G. |
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Source needed for Arizona grape vines (Vitis arizonica)
replying to Olin, Moises Gallardo wrote:
joeejk wrote: wrote in message oups.com... ========================== Hey Greg, Canyon Grape, Vitis arizonica, is a wild grape that grows in canyons and riparian areas in our AZ mid elevation deserts around the Verde valley. You might try a nursery in Cottonwood or Clarkdale or maybe Sedona. Or try Watters nursery in Prescott. But I suspect you may have hike the canyons in April or May when it's green and blooming - see photo at http://www.fireflyforest.com/flowers...s/plant22.html Olin Hi there, I have several Vitis Arizonica plants in my backyard. They grow wild and need heavy prunning to keep them under control. I wish I could ship some plants or cuttings to you but the stringent Agricultural regulations of Arizona won't allow me to do so. However I can share some seeds from last year (2014)should you still be interested. Let me know if I could be of any assitance in your project. Moises Gallardo http://www.homeownershub.com/img/4g http://www.homeownershub.com/img/4h -- |
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