Hi!

I, also, am a beginner at Bonsai. I think they are the most wonderful
little trees ever. I live in Update New York. I have, to date: a Fukien
Tea Tree, a Juniper Tree, and a Dwarf Fig Tree.

I have, recently (actually on July 4), planted a batch of seeds to grow
Bonsai trees. I planted the following seeds and hope that they will grow
and do well (Japanese White Pine; Ponderosa Pine; Acer Maple [acer
palmatum-ornatum]; Trident Maple [acer buergeranum]; Amur Maple [acer
ginnala]; Chinese Juniper; Rockspray Cotoneaster [cotoneaster
horizontalis]; Japanese Black Pine; Chinese Elm; Chinese Zelkova; Japanese
Zelkova; Korean Hornbeam; Chinese Wisteria; Monkey Pod [rain tree-samanea
saman]; Common Olive; Desert Rose; Mugo Pine; Italian Stone Pine; Colorado
blue Spruce; Black Locust; Japanese Pagoda Tree; Maidenhair Tree; Sacred
Japanese Cedar; Cedar of Lebanon; Japanese Pink Dogwood; siberian
Crabapple; Tree of Heaven; Monterey Cypress; Giant Sequoia; and Baobab
[lemonade tree-adansonia]. I haven't planted all of them because there are
at least a dozen that are being cold stratified and also 4 that are being
warm stratified. But in 2 months I will plant them as well.

Any advice or suggestions would be helpful, if you'd like to offer any.

Thank you and I look forward to chatting with you again soon,
Pat Paucke





At 12:40 PM 7/5/03 +0000, Sean Lowe wrote:
Hi all,

I've decided to get my feet wet with this Bonsai thingie. I've always
marveled at these interesting trees whenever I visit a nursery and my
curiousity have finally piqued a desire to try it out for myself.
I have visited a few websites in the last week and I see *recommended*
trees for beginners and such, but I live in southern New Hampshire and I am
wanting try trees from my local area. I realize that this will most likely
be more difficult, but I really want to go this route. Why? Because I love
this state and the forests here and I'm an obstinate Yankee. That's why!
I've pulled some very small saplings with my children and we potted them
individually yesterday in small containers. One is very shallow, the others
are just small but I'm being given some true bonsai pots today for the
others.

What we have so far is:
Sugar Maple
White Maple
Hemlock
White pine
I intend on getting white birch as well.

I realize they will most likely all die, being a first attempt, but I'm
going to stick it out and keep trying!
Is there any suggestions anyone can make for a complete newbie in this
arena?

Thanks in advance for any guidance/suggestions/insight,
Sean Lowe...

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Wow! From your description, you will have more trees than you could
possibly care for. However, if you read some of FAQs in the IBC archives,
you will find that it's a long way from a seedling to a bonsai. There's
nothing wrong in starting from seed; but I wouild suggest that you also pick
up some larger material as well.
That way, you could make headway in creating your first bonsai before your
hair starts to grow grey. At the same time, you could work on your
seedlings and see how they develop.
Marty
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To:
Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 2:32 PM
Subject: [IBC] (me too!) Complete newbie (please be kind)


Hi!

I, also, am a beginner at Bonsai. I think they are the most wonderful
little trees ever. I live in Update New York. I have, to date: a Fukien
Tea Tree, a Juniper Tree, and a Dwarf Fig Tree.

I have, recently (actually on July 4), planted a batch of seeds to grow
Bonsai trees. I planted the following seeds and hope that they will grow
and do well (Japanese White Pine; Ponderosa Pine; Acer Maple [acer
palmatum-ornatum]; Trident Maple [acer buergeranum]; Amur Maple [acer
ginnala]; Chinese Juniper; Rockspray Cotoneaster [cotoneaster
horizontalis]; Japanese Black Pine; Chinese Elm; Chinese Zelkova; Japanese
Zelkova; Korean Hornbeam; Chinese Wisteria; Monkey Pod [rain tree-samanea
saman]; Common Olive; Desert Rose; Mugo Pine; Italian Stone Pine; Colorado
blue Spruce; Black Locust; Japanese Pagoda Tree; Maidenhair Tree; Sacred
Japanese Cedar; Cedar of Lebanon; Japanese Pink Dogwood; siberian
Crabapple; Tree of Heaven; Monterey Cypress; Giant Sequoia; and Baobab
[lemonade tree-adansonia]. I haven't planted all of them because there
are
at least a dozen that are being cold stratified and also 4 that are being
warm stratified. But in 2 months I will plant them as well.

Any advice or suggestions would be helpful, if you'd like to offer any.

Thank you and I look forward to chatting with you again soon,
Pat Paucke





At 12:40 PM 7/5/03 +0000, Sean Lowe wrote:
Hi all,

I've decided to get my feet wet with this Bonsai thingie. I've always
marveled at these interesting trees whenever I visit a nursery and my
curiousity have finally piqued a desire to try it out for myself.
I have visited a few websites in the last week and I see *recommended*
trees for beginners and such, but I live in southern New Hampshire and I
am
wanting try trees from my local area. I realize that this will most
likely
be more difficult, but I really want to go this route. Why? Because I
love
this state and the forests here and I'm an obstinate Yankee. That's why!
I've pulled some very small saplings with my children and we potted
them
individually yesterday in small containers. One is very shallow, the
others
are just small but I'm being given some true bonsai pots today for the
others.

What we have so far is:
Sugar Maple
White Maple
Hemlock
White pine
I intend on getting white birch as well.

I realize they will most likely all die, being a first attempt, but I'm
going to stick it out and keep trying!
Is there any suggestions anyone can make for a complete newbie in this
arena?

Thanks in advance for any guidance/suggestions/insight,
Sean Lowe...


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Hi Pat,

You may have some luck if you've planted lots of seeds but it's too late
in the season for many of the species you mentioned. They need the cold
treatment over the winter and then germinate in the spring. Not to
worry. Any that don't grow can be left outdoors. Sometimes they will
germinate better in their second spring. Just leave and let them
stratify naturally. Then bring them into warmer conditions next spring.


While you're waiting, try a few nursery plants, so you've got something
else to work on in the meanwhile.

Cheers

Kev Bailey
Vale Of Clwyd, North Wales


Hi!

I, also, am a beginner at Bonsai. I think they are the most wonderful
little trees ever. I live in Update New York. I have, to date: a
Fukien
Tea Tree, a Juniper Tree, and a Dwarf Fig Tree.

I have, recently (actually on July 4), planted a batch of seeds to grow
Bonsai trees. I planted the following seeds and hope that they will
grow
and do well (Japanese White Pine; Ponderosa Pine; Acer Maple [acer
palmatum-ornatum]; Trident Maple [acer buergeranum]; Amur Maple [acer
ginnala]; Chinese Juniper; Rockspray Cotoneaster [cotoneaster
horizontalis]; Japanese Black Pine; Chinese Elm; Chinese Zelkova;
Japanese
Zelkova; Korean Hornbeam; Chinese Wisteria; Monkey Pod [rain
tree-samanea
saman]; Common Olive; Desert Rose; Mugo Pine; Italian Stone Pine;
Colorado
blue Spruce; Black Locust; Japanese Pagoda Tree; Maidenhair Tree; Sacred
Japanese Cedar; Cedar of Lebanon; Japanese Pink Dogwood; siberian
Crabapple; Tree of Heaven; Monterey Cypress; Giant Sequoia; and Baobab
[lemonade tree-adansonia]. I haven't planted all of them because there
are
at least a dozen that are being cold stratified and also 4 that are
being
warm stratified. But in 2 months I will plant them as well.

Any advice or suggestions would be helpful, if you'd like to offer any.

Thank you and I look forward to chatting with you again soon,
Pat Paucke




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Pat: You've already received some good advice for your questions. I just wanted to
throw in another item for your consideration. Since you already live in upstate NY,
you have a special opportunity coming up just after Labor Day. September 5-7, 2003
will be the dates of the BCI 2003/International Bonsai Symposium which is organized
by Bill Valavanis, publisher of International Bonsai magazine. The good news for you
is that it is to be held at the Holiday Inn Airport at Rochester, NY.
Go to this event to get your best possible immersion into this great hobby of
bonsai. Not only will you see a lot of world class bonsai, but you will get a good
start to your bonsai education, have an opportunity to buy bonsai items in the
vendors' area, AND you will meet some of the nicest people you ever want to meet.
You can find registration information and such at:
http://bonsai-bci.com/index2.html
See you in September.
Alan Walker, President
Bonsai Clubs International
===================
Patricia Paucke wrote:
Hi!
I, also, am a beginner at Bonsai. I think they are the most wonderful
little trees ever. I live in Update New York. I have, to date: a Fukien
Tea Tree, a Juniper Tree, and a Dwarf Fig Tree.

I have, recently (actually on July 4), planted a batch of seeds to grow
Bonsai trees. I planted the following seeds and hope that they will grow
and do well (Japanese White Pine; Ponderosa Pine; Acer Maple [acer
palmatum-ornatum]; Trident Maple [acer buergerianum]; Amur Maple [acer
ginnala]; Chinese Juniper; Rockspray Cotoneaster [cotoneaster
horizontalis]; Japanese Black Pine; Chinese Elm; Chinese Zelkova; Japanese
Zelkova; Korean Hornbeam; Chinese Wisteria; Monkey Pod [rain tree-samanea saman];
Common Olive; Desert Rose; Mugo Pine; Italian Stone Pine; Colorado blue Spruce; Black
Locust; Japanese Pagoda Tree; Maidenhair Tree; Sacred Japanese Cedar; Cedar of
Lebanon; Japanese Pink Dogwood; siberian Crabapple; Tree of Heaven; Monterey Cypress;
Giant Sequoia; and Baobab [lemonade tree-adansonia]. I haven't planted all of them
because there are at least a dozen that are being cold stratified and also 4 that are
being warm stratified. But in 2 months I will plant them as well.
Any advice or suggestions would be helpful, if you'd like to offer any.
Thank you and I look forward to chatting with you again soon,
Pat Paucke

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Hi Pat,

You may have some luck if you've planted lots of seeds but it's too late
in the season for many of the species you mentioned. They need the cold
treatment over the winter and then germinate in the spring. Not to
worry. Any that don't grow can be left outdoors. Sometimes they will
germinate better in their second spring. Just leave and let them
stratify naturally. Then bring them into warmer conditions next spring.


While you're waiting, try a few nursery plants, so you've got something
else to work on in the meanwhile.

Cheers

Kev Bailey
Vale Of Clwyd, North Wales


Hi!

I, also, am a beginner at Bonsai. I think they are the most wonderful
little trees ever. I live in Update New York. I have, to date: a
Fukien
Tea Tree, a Juniper Tree, and a Dwarf Fig Tree.

I have, recently (actually on July 4), planted a batch of seeds to grow
Bonsai trees. I planted the following seeds and hope that they will
grow
and do well (Japanese White Pine; Ponderosa Pine; Acer Maple [acer
palmatum-ornatum]; Trident Maple [acer buergeranum]; Amur Maple [acer
ginnala]; Chinese Juniper; Rockspray Cotoneaster [cotoneaster
horizontalis]; Japanese Black Pine; Chinese Elm; Chinese Zelkova;
Japanese
Zelkova; Korean Hornbeam; Chinese Wisteria; Monkey Pod [rain
tree-samanea
saman]; Common Olive; Desert Rose; Mugo Pine; Italian Stone Pine;
Colorado
blue Spruce; Black Locust; Japanese Pagoda Tree; Maidenhair Tree; Sacred
Japanese Cedar; Cedar of Lebanon; Japanese Pink Dogwood; siberian
Crabapple; Tree of Heaven; Monterey Cypress; Giant Sequoia; and Baobab
[lemonade tree-adansonia]. I haven't planted all of them because there
are
at least a dozen that are being cold stratified and also 4 that are
being
warm stratified. But in 2 months I will plant them as well.

Any advice or suggestions would be helpful, if you'd like to offer any.

Thank you and I look forward to chatting with you again soon,
Pat Paucke




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Pat: You've already received some good advice for your questions. I just wanted to
throw in another item for your consideration. Since you already live in upstate NY,
you have a special opportunity coming up just after Labor Day. September 5-7, 2003
will be the dates of the BCI 2003/International Bonsai Symposium which is organized
by Bill Valavanis, publisher of International Bonsai magazine. The good news for you
is that it is to be held at the Holiday Inn Airport at Rochester, NY.
Go to this event to get your best possible immersion into this great hobby of
bonsai. Not only will you see a lot of world class bonsai, but you will get a good
start to your bonsai education, have an opportunity to buy bonsai items in the
vendors' area, AND you will meet some of the nicest people you ever want to meet.
You can find registration information and such at:
http://bonsai-bci.com/index2.html
See you in September.
Alan Walker, President
Bonsai Clubs International
===================
Patricia Paucke wrote:
Hi!
I, also, am a beginner at Bonsai. I think they are the most wonderful
little trees ever. I live in Update New York. I have, to date: a Fukien
Tea Tree, a Juniper Tree, and a Dwarf Fig Tree.

I have, recently (actually on July 4), planted a batch of seeds to grow
Bonsai trees. I planted the following seeds and hope that they will grow
and do well (Japanese White Pine; Ponderosa Pine; Acer Maple [acer
palmatum-ornatum]; Trident Maple [acer buergerianum]; Amur Maple [acer
ginnala]; Chinese Juniper; Rockspray Cotoneaster [cotoneaster
horizontalis]; Japanese Black Pine; Chinese Elm; Chinese Zelkova; Japanese
Zelkova; Korean Hornbeam; Chinese Wisteria; Monkey Pod [rain tree-samanea saman];
Common Olive; Desert Rose; Mugo Pine; Italian Stone Pine; Colorado blue Spruce; Black
Locust; Japanese Pagoda Tree; Maidenhair Tree; Sacred Japanese Cedar; Cedar of
Lebanon; Japanese Pink Dogwood; siberian Crabapple; Tree of Heaven; Monterey Cypress;
Giant Sequoia; and Baobab [lemonade tree-adansonia]. I haven't planted all of them
because there are at least a dozen that are being cold stratified and also 4 that are
being warm stratified. But in 2 months I will plant them as well.
Any advice or suggestions would be helpful, if you'd like to offer any.
Thank you and I look forward to chatting with you again soon,
Pat Paucke

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Patricia:

Where in "Upstate New York" are you?

That covers a lot of territory.

We have several regular posters here, who, given more info can point you to
clubs and sources in your area.

Welcome to the mania!

"Patricia Paucke" wrote in message
news:5.2.1.1.2.20030706142033.01ddaec0@postoffice8 .mail.cornell.edu...
Hi!

I, also, am a beginner at Bonsai. I think they are the most wonderful
little trees ever. I live in Update New York.

As several have stated the seed route is a long one. However, you have the
right idea in planting many seeds. I have a couple of nice Japanese Maples
(Acer palmatum) that I started from seed about 10 years ago. That was from
a lot of about 200 collected seed. About 100 came up, 50 or so survived the
first repotting and root spreading, and all but 5 - 10 have perished along
the way to various maladies - mostly root pruning that was too aggressive
and teenagers with watering chores who were not aggressive enough in the
amount of water they gave. However, those 5 -10 trees have great root pads
(like you see in repotting articles of Bonsai Today and similar magazines)
and are starting to develop good foliage pads. I start hundreds of seeds
per year and have fun playing with them.

I also buy stock ranging from cast-off, end-of-season standard nursery stock
to nicely developed prebonsai material so I have trees that will not take 10
- 20 years to develop. The cheaper the tree the more aggressive I am -
hence the large loss rate of seedlings! However, if you keep your eyes open
as the various nurseries start to clear out their stock you can find some
amazing bargains (often $5 - $10 for plants that may have been up to $50
originally) to start your collection and learn what to do (and more often
what not to do). As you learn more you can spend a bit more money with one
of the fine bonsai vendors (not the mallsai folks) to buy a bonsai or
prebonsai that has had a few years of effort put into it so that you can
concentrate on refining the bonsai. Of course a few of your seedlings and
small cast off stock may be starting to come along at that point as well.

Regards - Marty

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Hi Patricia,
I, also, am a beginner at Bonsai. I think they are the most wonderful
little trees ever. I live in Update New York. I have, to date: a Fukien
Tea Tree, a Juniper Tree, and a Dwarf Fig Tree.
how old are these trees? i think you will work on these trees for quite a
long time before taking care of the bonsai from seeds below...

and do well (Japanese White Pine; Ponderosa Pine; Acer Maple [acer
palmatum-ornatum]; Trident Maple [acer buergeranum]; Amur Maple [acer
ginnala]; Chinese Juniper; Rockspray Cotoneaster [cotoneaster
horizontalis]; Japanese Black Pine; Chinese Elm; Chinese Zelkova; Japanese
Zelkova; Korean Hornbeam; Chinese Wisteria; Monkey Pod [rain tree-samanea
saman]; Common Olive; Desert Rose; Mugo Pine; Italian Stone Pine; Colorado
blue Spruce; Black Locust; Japanese Pagoda Tree; Maidenhair Tree; Sacred
Japanese Cedar; Cedar of Lebanon; Japanese Pink Dogwood; siberian
Crabapple; Tree of Heaven; Monterey Cypress; Giant Sequoia; and Baobab
[lemonade tree-adansonia].

how much money did u spent? do u know that not every nursery has all these
species?
Anyway... Good Luck!
Matteo Scarabelli
Pavia, Italy