Do the branch tips on the buttonwood remain drooping even in the
early morning or after a good watering? How much of the top did you reduce?

Billy on the Florida Space Coast

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OK, I stand corrected.
Please disregard my comments/warnings.
grow on dude!
Let us know next summer how it's doing.
Dale


----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Dunbrook"
Subject: [IBC] Repotting Buttonwood


Well, I have to disagree!! Buttonwood is not any more difficult than
ficus. True..it will grow differently in the north(other than in
summer), than it would in Florida or if you use Metal Halide.
The first potting may be the most difficult for any nursery tree because
you just don't know what you will find rootwise.
One thing I've found about repotting buttonwood in the north in summer
is the temperature changes. It can be hot, great for repotting, then the
night or day temps can drop to 40's - 50's. In my experience not good
after a repot. The only time I had trouble after a repot was this temp.
change. Once it's outside for the summer, it stays there. The tree is
about 36"h x 40"w.
The only trouble I had with buttonwood:
It had aphids once outside, never seen scale ever.
Once in Feb. after I'd had it for 3 years it dropped about 75% of it's
leaves. I think it was pot bound, it refoliated.
I had some root rot, changed the soil mix. This is when I stopped using
peat in any soil mix. It's been said that peat is used in the mix in
Florida for buttonwood, well.
It may get some leaf burn after you bring it outside. I've never worried
about it, cut them off, it will soon produce more leaves.

Like Carl I use Mir-Acid, the only time it doesn't get fed too much is
Oct. - Dec.
Then it begins to grow well Jan. on.
I use a humidifier, never measured the humidity level, feels okay. A few
fans for air circ.

A
tomato plant! No way!

Regards,
Alan

Dale said:
The last ( and MY last) buttonwood I also repotted about this time of
year in NE Ohio. Seemed a good time for tropical. Root ball pretty good.
Same source as yours.
It INSTANTLY wilted and dried up to be thrown out after a few weeks of
watching it turn completely brown.
Past buttonwoods took the dive at various other seasons for various
other reasons. My advice for buttonwoods outside of south
Florida....pass on 'em. Don't be seduced by the trunks ( or the "Dark
Side") . If it suvives your repotting the BIGGEST challenge ahead is
getting it through an Ohio winter inside, unless you are prepared to
dedicate quite a bit to keeping this one plant alive! LOTS of heat and
humidity, and, if you do, it will STILL NEVER look like it would in S,
Florida. They are like trying to over-winter a tomato plant!! My advice
for best tropical to grow in Ohio....The Willow-leaf Ficus. It is the
BEST for us. I have quite a few and they respond wonderful. Regards,
Dale Cochoy

Added from 2nd post:
Water with warm water, especially in Winter.
&
No malithion.

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Jeff Isom
Cleveland, OH / Sunset Zone 39

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Parr ]
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 5:57 PM
To:
Subject: [IBC] Repotting Buttonwood


Dale,

Never tried a overwintering a tomato, but have had luck with hot peppers
(even
picked a few habaneros on New Years). That is, till I took them out for the
next season, croaked right away.

My "inside garden" consists of two 400 watt metal halides on a 10' track
with
dual light movers, 10 4' fluorescent shop lights, and a few spot
"grow-lights".
All built on 3/4" PVC stands and a three tier Burpee seed starting stand
(Christmas present from the wife a few years ago). My Ficus seem to love it
during the winter, even throwing lots of new growth. Thermostatically
controlled propagation mats or even a humidifier would be no problem to rig
up.
I am an ex-process control electrical engineer that quit work to stay home
with
our new daughter.

Yea, I've got lots of time....

Steve Parr - Cincinnati, Ohio -
USDA Zone 6
"Now who's respon... I say who's responsible for this unwarranted attack on
my
person"
Foghorn Leghorn


On Monday, July 14, 2003 4:05 PM, dalecochoy ]
wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Parr"
Subject: [IBC] Repotting Buttonwood


I recently picked up my first buttonwood at the MABA convention in
Cincinnati
earlier this month. This past weekend I repotted it into a large
training
pot

The tips of the branches seem to almost wilting, not quite though, just
limp.
The leaves are still upright in respect to the stem, but the stem
droops,
so
the overall appearance looks pretty haggard.

Is it normal for buttonwood to resent repotting and medium root pruning?
By
medium, I mean removal of maybe 1/3 to 3/8 of the root ball (there is
still a
good size root ball of fine feeder roots, a bit one sided, but still
quite
reasonably sized).

Steve Parr - Cincinnati, Ohio -

Steve,
The last ( and MY last) buttonwood I also repotted about this time of year
in NE Ohio. Seemed a good time for tropical. Root ball pretty good. Same
source as yours.
It INSTANTLY wilted and dried up to be thrown out after a few weeks of
watching it turn completely brown.
Past buttonwoods took the dive at various other seasons for various other
reasons. My advice for buttonwoods outside of south Florida....pass on
'em.
Don't be seduced by the trunks ( or the "Dark Side") .
If it suvives your repotting the BIGGEST challenge ahead is getting it
through an Ohio winter inside, unless you are prepared to dedicate quite a
bit to keeping this one plant alive! LOTS of heat and humidity, and, if
you
do, it will STILL NEVER look like it would in S, Florida.
They are like trying to over-winter a tomato plant!!
My advice for best tropical to grow in Ohio....The Willow-leaf Ficus. It
is
the BEST for us. I have quite a few and they respond wonderful.
Regards,
Dale Cochoy


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Thanks,

Jeff Isom
Cleveland, OH / Sunset Zone 39

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Parr ]
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 5:57 PM
To:
Subject: [IBC] Repotting Buttonwood


Dale,

Never tried a overwintering a tomato, but have had luck with hot peppers
(even
picked a few habaneros on New Years). That is, till I took them out for the
next season, croaked right away.

My "inside garden" consists of two 400 watt metal halides on a 10' track
with
dual light movers, 10 4' fluorescent shop lights, and a few spot
"grow-lights".
All built on 3/4" PVC stands and a three tier Burpee seed starting stand
(Christmas present from the wife a few years ago). My Ficus seem to love it
during the winter, even throwing lots of new growth. Thermostatically
controlled propagation mats or even a humidifier would be no problem to rig
up.
I am an ex-process control electrical engineer that quit work to stay home
with
our new daughter.

Yea, I've got lots of time....

Steve Parr - Cincinnati, Ohio -
USDA Zone 6
"Now who's respon... I say who's responsible for this unwarranted attack on
my
person"
Foghorn Leghorn


On Monday, July 14, 2003 4:05 PM, dalecochoy ]
wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Parr"
Subject: [IBC] Repotting Buttonwood


I recently picked up my first buttonwood at the MABA convention in
Cincinnati
earlier this month. This past weekend I repotted it into a large
training
pot

The tips of the branches seem to almost wilting, not quite though, just
limp.
The leaves are still upright in respect to the stem, but the stem
droops,
so
the overall appearance looks pretty haggard.

Is it normal for buttonwood to resent repotting and medium root pruning?
By
medium, I mean removal of maybe 1/3 to 3/8 of the root ball (there is
still a
good size root ball of fine feeder roots, a bit one sided, but still
quite
reasonably sized).

Steve Parr - Cincinnati, Ohio -

Steve,
The last ( and MY last) buttonwood I also repotted about this time of year
in NE Ohio. Seemed a good time for tropical. Root ball pretty good. Same
source as yours.
It INSTANTLY wilted and dried up to be thrown out after a few weeks of
watching it turn completely brown.
Past buttonwoods took the dive at various other seasons for various other
reasons. My advice for buttonwoods outside of south Florida....pass on
'em.
Don't be seduced by the trunks ( or the "Dark Side") .
If it suvives your repotting the BIGGEST challenge ahead is getting it
through an Ohio winter inside, unless you are prepared to dedicate quite a
bit to keeping this one plant alive! LOTS of heat and humidity, and, if
you
do, it will STILL NEVER look like it would in S, Florida.
They are like trying to over-winter a tomato plant!!
My advice for best tropical to grow in Ohio....The Willow-leaf Ficus. It
is
the BEST for us. I have quite a few and they respond wonderful.
Regards,
Dale Cochoy


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Dale,

I have a rain barrel attached to my shed roof that I use to fill several
watering cans strategically placed around the yard. I do keep Bt based mosquito
dunks in the rain barrel, think this might be problem?

I haven't used any of these cans yet, as I am still watering it with a mix of
KLN rooting concentrate (when needed). We had 1-1/2" of rain in 30 minutes or
so last night. More rain and less wind than the storms that popped during the
MABA convention.

My main pest problem while growing indoors is aphids, they seem to appear no
matter what I do. Seen a few outbreaks of scale on some Ficus, but nothing
else. I usually pick the scale off by hand and use Neem oil for the aphids.
What does a mealy bug look like? Do you mean the little "rollie-pollies"?

Steve Parr - Cincinnati, Ohio -
USDA Zone 6
"Now who's respon... I say who's responsible for this unwarranted attack on my
person"
Foghorn Leghorn


On Monday, July 14, 2003 8:16 PM, dalecochoy ]
wrote:
snip
Steve,
something I forgot to mention in my earlier post. Here in OHIO it might be a
good Idea to use warm water ( like from a container sitting out) to water.
Especially in Winter you want water to be warmer if watering in the house. .
And, if you have well water, that's really cold! I know mine sure is. Be
careful of hosing it down outside with that for a while.
snip
One other thing I don't know if Mary mentioned. When it gets scale/ mealy
bugs ( and it will).... no malithion!

Dale

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Billy,

I removed maybe three twigs, there really wasn't a whole lot of foliage to
begin with. Much more roots, than green. The stronger branches had new growth
on the tips.

I will try and post a pic on the gallery tonight.

Steve Parr - Cincinnati, Ohio -
USDA Zone 6
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person"
Foghorn Leghorn


On Monday, July 14, 2003 9:58 PM, Billy M. Rhodes ]
wrote:
Do the branch tips on the buttonwood remain drooping even in the
early morning or after a good watering? How much of the top did you reduce?

Billy on the Florida Space Coast

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In a message dated 7/16/2003 4:54:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
writes:

What does a mealy bug look like? Do you mean the little "rollie-pollies"?

The "rollie-pollies" or pill bugs usually eat only decaying matter so
are not usually a danger to plants. I saw usually because there are reports
from some members that they nibble roots.
A "Mealy Bug" looks like a small piece of cotton or fake snow on the
plant. Above ground they prefer to be where a branch meets the trunk or a leaf
meets a stem. There are also "Root Mealies" that some members have had
problems with.
Billy on the Florida Space Coast

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These guys I have seen before, kinda like a fuzzy scale, right? The tip of a
pen knife is good for "gutting" these.

Steve Parr - Cincinnati, Ohio -
USDA Zone 6
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person"
Foghorn Leghorn


On Wednesday, July 16, 2003 5:00 PM,
] wrote:
In a message dated 7/16/2003 4:54:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
writes:

What does a mealy bug look like? Do you mean the little "rollie-pollies"?

The "rollie-pollies" or pill bugs usually eat only decaying matter so
are not usually a danger to plants. I saw usually because there are reports

from some members that they nibble roots.
A "Mealy Bug" looks like a small piece of cotton or fake snow on the
plant. Above ground they prefer to be where a branch meets the trunk or a
leaf

meets a stem. There are also "Root Mealies" that some members have had
problems with.
Billy on the Florida Space Coast
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Dale,

I have a rain barrel attached to my shed roof that I use to
fill several
watering cans strategically placed around the yard. I do keep
Bt based mosquito
dunks in the rain barrel, think this might be problem?

No. BT is Bacillus thuringensis, (that probably is NOT spelled
right), a bacteria, and it would/could have no effect on plants.

snip


My main pest problem while growing indoors is aphids, they seem
to appear no
matter what I do. Seen a few outbreaks of scale on some Ficus,
but nothing
else. I usually pick the scale off by hand and use Neem oil for
the aphids.
What does a mealy bug look like? Do you mean the little
"rollie-pollies"?


Mealy bugs are like little puffs of cotton on your trunk or
branches. They, and aphids, can be controlled by application of
a pyrethrum-based pesticide. In summer, your tropicals should
(read MUST) be outside. You will find that your pest problems
drop by 90%.

Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - The phrase
'sustainable growth' is an oxymoron. - Stephen Viederman

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Dale,

I have a rain barrel attached to my shed roof that I use to fill several
watering cans strategically placed around the yard. I do keep Bt based mosquito
dunks in the rain barrel, think this might be problem?

I haven't used any of these cans yet, as I am still watering it with a mix of
KLN rooting concentrate (when needed). We had 1-1/2" of rain in 30 minutes or
so last night. More rain and less wind than the storms that popped during the
MABA convention.

My main pest problem while growing indoors is aphids, they seem to appear no
matter what I do. Seen a few outbreaks of scale on some Ficus, but nothing
else. I usually pick the scale off by hand and use Neem oil for the aphids.
What does a mealy bug look like? Do you mean the little "rollie-pollies"?

Steve Parr - Cincinnati, Ohio -
USDA Zone 6
"Now who's respon... I say who's responsible for this unwarranted attack on my
person"
Foghorn Leghorn


On Monday, July 14, 2003 8:16 PM, dalecochoy ]
wrote:
snip
Steve,
something I forgot to mention in my earlier post. Here in OHIO it might be a
good Idea to use warm water ( like from a container sitting out) to water.
Especially in Winter you want water to be warmer if watering in the house. .
And, if you have well water, that's really cold! I know mine sure is. Be
careful of hosing it down outside with that for a while.
snip
One other thing I don't know if Mary mentioned. When it gets scale/ mealy
bugs ( and it will).... no malithion!

Dale

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Billy,

I removed maybe three twigs, there really wasn't a whole lot of foliage to
begin with. Much more roots, than green. The stronger branches had new growth
on the tips.

I will try and post a pic on the gallery tonight.

Steve Parr - Cincinnati, Ohio -
USDA Zone 6
"Now who's respon... I say who's responsible for this unwarranted attack on my
person"
Foghorn Leghorn


On Monday, July 14, 2003 9:58 PM, Billy M. Rhodes ]
wrote:
Do the branch tips on the buttonwood remain drooping even in the
early morning or after a good watering? How much of the top did you reduce?

Billy on the Florida Space Coast

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In a message dated 7/16/2003 4:54:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
writes:

What does a mealy bug look like? Do you mean the little "rollie-pollies"?

The "rollie-pollies" or pill bugs usually eat only decaying matter so
are not usually a danger to plants. I saw usually because there are reports
from some members that they nibble roots.
A "Mealy Bug" looks like a small piece of cotton or fake snow on the
plant. Above ground they prefer to be where a branch meets the trunk or a leaf
meets a stem. There are also "Root Mealies" that some members have had
problems with.
Billy on the Florida Space Coast

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These guys I have seen before, kinda like a fuzzy scale, right? The tip of a
pen knife is good for "gutting" these.

Steve Parr - Cincinnati, Ohio -
USDA Zone 6
"Now who's respon... I say who's responsible for this unwarranted attack on my
person"
Foghorn Leghorn


On Wednesday, July 16, 2003 5:00 PM,
] wrote:
In a message dated 7/16/2003 4:54:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
writes:

What does a mealy bug look like? Do you mean the little "rollie-pollies"?

The "rollie-pollies" or pill bugs usually eat only decaying matter so
are not usually a danger to plants. I saw usually because there are reports

from some members that they nibble roots.
A "Mealy Bug" looks like a small piece of cotton or fake snow on the
plant. Above ground they prefer to be where a branch meets the trunk or a
leaf

meets a stem. There are also "Root Mealies" that some members have had
problems with.
Billy on the Florida Space Coast
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Dale,

I have a rain barrel attached to my shed roof that I use to
fill several
watering cans strategically placed around the yard. I do keep
Bt based mosquito
dunks in the rain barrel, think this might be problem?

No. BT is Bacillus thuringensis, (that probably is NOT spelled
right), a bacteria, and it would/could have no effect on plants.

snip


My main pest problem while growing indoors is aphids, they seem
to appear no
matter what I do. Seen a few outbreaks of scale on some Ficus,
but nothing
else. I usually pick the scale off by hand and use Neem oil for
the aphids.
What does a mealy bug look like? Do you mean the little
"rollie-pollies"?


Mealy bugs are like little puffs of cotton on your trunk or
branches. They, and aphids, can be controlled by application of
a pyrethrum-based pesticide. In summer, your tropicals should
(read MUST) be outside. You will find that your pest problems
drop by 90%.

Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - The phrase
'sustainable growth' is an oxymoron. - Stephen Viederman

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Steve:
There are two things that you can do to reduce your pest population
problem: Use an oscillating fan blowing across your collection, and
second you can obtain yellow sticky boards and place them strategically
around your collection.

The oscllating fan is my favorite.

Carl L. Rosner - near Atlantic City zone 6/7
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Steve Parr wrote:

Dale,

I have a rain barrel attached to my shed roof that I use to fill several
watering cans strategically placed around the yard. I do keep Bt based mosquito
dunks in the rain barrel, think this might be problem?

I haven't used any of these cans yet, as I am still watering it with a mix of
KLN rooting concentrate (when needed). We had 1-1/2" of rain in 30 minutes or
so last night. More rain and less wind than the storms that popped during the
MABA convention.

My main pest problem while growing indoors is aphids, they seem to appear no
matter what I do. Seen a few outbreaks of scale on some Ficus, but nothing
else. I usually pick the scale off by hand and use Neem oil for the aphids.
What does a mealy bug look like? Do you mean the little "rollie-pollies"?

Steve Parr - Cincinnati, Ohio -
USDA Zone 6
"Now who's respon... I say who's responsible for this unwarranted attack on my
person"
Foghorn Leghorn


On Monday, July 14, 2003 8:16 PM, dalecochoy ]
wrote:


snip
Steve,
something I forgot to mention in my earlier post. Here in OHIO it might be a
good Idea to use warm water ( like from a container sitting out) to water.
Especially in Winter you want water to be warmer if watering in the house. .
And, if you have well water, that's really cold! I know mine sure is. Be
careful of hosing it down outside with that for a while.
snip
One other thing I don't know if Mary mentioned. When it gets scale/ mealy


bugs ( and it will).... no malithion!


Dale



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