I'm zone 4-5 and looking for some wintering advice on two new trees I
just acquired. With only a few weeks until the cold hits I'm hoping
someone can lean me in the right direction. I asked earlier about the
black pine but received no responses from anyone so far.

I have a detached unheated garage that gets very little light, stays
fairly cold all winter, is protected from the wind and frost, and gets
fresh air every day with the garage door opening for the car to go in
and out. My other trees have been fine in there.

Will the black pine and Kingsville be OK in there? My concern with the
Kingsville is that it may get too cold. My normal boxwood gets a little
bronzy looking but has survived two winters in there. My concern with
the Black Pine is if it will get enough light and I also read that Black
Pine's do not like indoor even in winter. I'm not sure I'd consider the
garage indoor but technically it's not outdoor.

Any Zone 4-5 advice out there?
Thanks
wmcorcor

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In a message dated 10/19/2003 7:09:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,
writes:
I'm zone 4-5 and looking for some wintering advice on two new trees I
just acquired. With only a few weeks until the cold hits I'm hoping
someone can lean me in the right direction. I asked earlier about the
black pine but received no responses from anyone so far.

I have a detached unheated garage that gets very little light, stays
fairly cold all winter, is protected from the wind and frost, and gets
fresh air every day with the garage door opening for the car to go in
and out. My other trees have been fine in there.

Will the black pine and Kingsville be OK in there? My concern with the
Kingsville is that it may get too cold. My normal boxwood gets a little
bronzy looking but has survived two winters in there. My concern with
the Black Pine is if it will get enough light and I also read that Black
Pine's do not like indoor even in winter. I'm not sure I'd consider the
garage indoor but technically it's not outdoor.

WM:

If the temperature in the garage is above freezing but generally lingers in
the 40s F, all will be well with both the Black Pine and the Kingsville. If the
temperatures in the garage stay in the 50s, you may have an issue related to
light deprivation for the Japanese Black Pine and the Kingsville.

My Kingsville endured a sustained freeze for a month last year with
temperatures delving to 10-degrees F. Numerous factors, such as a mild warm up in the
storage shed by day and a gradual cool down in the evening, contributed to its
winter endurance.

Provide me with additional details on the typical temperature in the garage
during the winter, and I will better advise you on a wintering methodology.

Cordially,

Michael Persiano
The Michael Persiano Bonsai Studio

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I can't advise you on Japanese Black Pine, but I can tell you from experience
that Kingsville boxwood does fine treated as a subtropical. Mine are in two
different group plantings with frost sensitive tropicals, so they are left
outdoors until the first frost warning. If they were alone they would be
allowed some light frost. During the winter they grow under fluorescent lights
with controlled humidity. If you don't have a light garden they will probably
do all right on a sunny windowsill in an unheated spare room.
Kingsville boxwood is very hardy, but your garage sounds perhaps borderline. I
think it might be safer indoors, since it does not need a full dormancy.
Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the oncoming
train."
Robert Lowell (1917-1977)

Iris Cohen wrote:

I can't advise you on Japanese Black Pine, but I can tell you from experience
that Kingsville boxwood does fine treated as a subtropical. Mine are in two
different group plantings with frost sensitive tropicals, so they are left
outdoors until the first frost warning. If they were alone they would be
allowed some light frost. During the winter they grow under fluorescent lights
with controlled humidity. If you don't have a light garden they will probably
do all right on a sunny windowsill in an unheated spare room.
Kingsville boxwood is very hardy, but your garage sounds perhaps borderline. I
think it might be safer indoors, since it does not need a full dormancy.
Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the oncoming
train."
Robert Lowell (1917-1977)

Ditto for me. I keep mine outdoors until about Thanksgiving, which means they will
have gone through regular frosts at night. I then bring them indoors and keep them
under fluorescent lights. They do very well that way. This gives them a good month
of dormancy. They perk right back up once they come indoors.

Craig Cowing
NY
Zone 5b/6a Sunset 37

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I have great indoor light with huge south facing windows that my
tropicals do great in. Also have an un-heated basement. It gets very
little light but it does stay cooler (but not frosty) perhaps in the
40's and 50's. Do you think it would be better to have the Kingsville
in an unheated lower-light area or a heated good light area for the
winter?

I assume you both keep them in a heated space? Don't they need a
dormancy period?

Thanks. I guess I'm the only one with a Japanese Black Pine in zone 4-5
on the list so far.

wmcorcor

==
== Ditto for me. I keep mine outdoors until about Thanksgiving, which
means
== they will
== have gone through regular frosts at night. I then bring them
indoors
== and keep them
== under fluorescent lights. They do very well that way. This gives
them a
== good month
== of dormancy. They perk right back up once they come indoors.
==
== Craig Cowing

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In a message dated 10/19/2003 10:11:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, writes:

I can't advise you on Japanese Black Pine, but I can tell
you from experience
that Kingsville boxwood does fine treated as a subtropical.

Iris:

Healthy Kingsville are remarkably hardy--especially if they originate from a group that has undergone 50 winters. );-)

Cordially,

Michael Persiano

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Bil,

I am in zone 5, tending towards 6 if you believe those who want to
reclassify us, and I keep the bulk of my trees in a cold frame during
winter. I run out of room in the cold frame however, so I have some
Japanese black pines that I just set on the ground under one of my display
benches, no mulch or anything, and I throw one of the grey plastic tarps
over it. They spend the entire winter there in the dark and they do just
fine.

Regards,
Roger Snipes Spokane, WA Zone 5, or maybe Zone 6.
Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it, misdiagnosing it,
and then misapplying the wrong remedies. Groucho Marx (1895-1977)

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From: "Corcoran. Bil"

Thanks. I guess I'm the only one with a Japanese Black Pine in zone 4-5
on the list so far.

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