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[IBC] Texas Ebony cascade??
Hi Bart:
Go for it Bart.... If it is almost there why not let the tree tell you hpow it wants to grow. You just have to nudge it along.... I think the Texas Ebony are a really lovely fun tree. I am pretty sure they are of the same family as the Brazilian Rain tree, and both trees are to be enjoyed year round. I do keep mine on propagation mats and they do not just survive indoors, but are thriving all winter.... 8-) Carl L. Rosner - near Atlantic City zone 6/7 http://bmee.net/rosner http://www.jamesbaird.com/cgi-bin/Ja...d=00000068 48 http://www.jamesbaird.com/cgi-bin/Ja...d=00000068 48 Bart Thomas wrote: I have a texas ebony that is a natural (no changes in planting angle or serious branch bending) semi-cascade. With clip and grow, it could grow into a full two stage cascade. Has anyone seen this in nature? I don't want a "forced" effect. Thanks. Bart ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Carl Rosner++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Texas Ebony cascade??
Carl L Rosner wrote:
Hi Bart: Go for it Bart.... If it is almost there why not let the tree tell you hpow it wants to grow. You just have to nudge it along.... I think the Texas Ebony are a really lovely fun tree. I am pretty sure they are of the same family as the Brazilian Rain tree, and both trees are to be enjoyed year round. I do keep mine on propagation mats and they do not just survive indoors, but are thriving all winter.... 8-) Carl L. Rosner - near Atlantic City zone 6/7 http://bmee.net/rosner http://www.jamesbaird.com/cgi-bin/Ja...d=00000068 48 http://www.jamesbaird.com/cgi-bin/Ja...d=00000068 48 I've got a bougainvilla that is doing the same thing. It's a rooted cutting, and I've just let it grow wild. It's naturally a vine anyway so I think it's natural for it to do this, but it kinda tipped over and is now in a semi-cascade position and actually looks pretty good. I guess I'm thinking I should work with what the tree wants to do naturally. You can't do that all the time, but if it wants to be a semi-cascade, milk it for all it's worth. Craig Cowing NY Zone 5b/6a Sunset 37 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Carl Rosner++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Texas Ebony cascade??
I agree with Craig. Don't fight it. -I have a Point Reyes ceanothus (C.
gloriosus) that really wants to be a semi-cascade style. That's fine by me. -- Ray Schmitt, Aliso Viejo, CA Cold Hardiness Zone 10b AHS Heat Zone 4 Sunset Climate Zone 22 "Craig Cowing" wrote in message ... Carl L Rosner wrote: Hi Bart: Go for it Bart.... If it is almost there why not let the tree tell you hpow it wants to grow. You just have to nudge it along.... I think the Texas Ebony are a really lovely fun tree. I am pretty sure they are of the same family as the Brazilian Rain tree, and both trees are to be enjoyed year round. I do keep mine on propagation mats and they do not just survive indoors, but are thriving all winter.... 8-) Carl L. Rosner - near Atlantic City zone 6/7 http://bmee.net/rosner http://www.jamesbaird.com/cgi-bin/Ja...page&artistid= 0000006848 http://www.jamesbaird.com/cgi-bin/Ja..._page&artistid =0000006848 I've got a bougainvilla that is doing the same thing. It's a rooted cutting, and I've just let it grow wild. It's naturally a vine anyway so I think it's natural for it to do this, but it kinda tipped over and is now in a semi-cascade position and actually looks pretty good. I guess I'm thinking I should work with what the tree wants to do naturally. You can't do that all the time, but if it wants to be a semi-cascade, milk it for all it's worth. Craig Cowing NY Zone 5b/6a Sunset 37 ************************************************** ************************** **** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Carl Rosner++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Texas Ebony cascade??
So how and when do you prune your ceanothus to get it to bloom?
Kitsune Miko rschmitt23 wrote: I agree with Craig. Don't fight it. -I have a Point Reyes ceanothus (C. gloriosus) that really wants to be a semi-cascade style. That's fine by me. -- Ray Schmitt, Aliso Viejo, CA Cold Hardiness Zone 10b AHS Heat Zone 4 Sunset Climate Zone 22 @HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Carl Rosner++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Texas Ebony cascade??
A good question. I haven't been able to find out much about care of potted
ceanothus. The info on the Web is geared toward landscape uses of these plants. Evidently Ceanothus spp. are touchy plants and don't take to root and branch pruning easily. That's part of the challenge in making bonsai of these guys. So far this season I've managed to kill a C. impressus 'Vandenberg' and a C. 'Julia Phelps'. However, I've had better luck in repotting the Point Reyes as well as a C. thrysiflorus 'Skylark', a C. foliosa 'Concha' and a C. foliosa 'Wheeler Canyon'. These last two I got at Las Pilatis nursery, a native plant outfit near Santa Margarita, CA. These were all 3 gallon plants. Early last September I carefully combed out about 75% of the nursery soil while trying to minimize root damage. I left the roots unpruned. I repotted in 10-inch diameter plastic pots using a 50/50 organic/inorganic soil mix: (1) Turface MVP (+12/-4), (1) Oil-Dri (+12/-4), (1) Supersoil (+12/-8) and (1) composted redwood (unsieved). I figured 50/50 was a good place to start even though some species of ceanothus are found growing in pure beach sand. So far these four plants appear healthy (my fingers are crossed). Regarding the question about pruning and blooming, I'll wait until next March to tackle that issue. I'm just feeling my way here. Any help and/or advice is appreciated. Ray Schmitt, Aliso Viejo, CA Cold Hardiness Zone 10b AHS Heat Zone 4 Sunset Climate Zone 22 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kitsune Miko" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 7:20 PM Subject: [IBC] Texas Ebony cascade?? So how and when do you prune your ceanothus to get it to bloom? Kitsune Miko rschmitt23 wrote: I agree with Craig. Don't fight it. -I have a Point Reyes ceanothus (C. gloriosus) that really wants to be a semi-cascade style. That's fine by me. -- Ray Schmitt, Aliso Viejo, CA Cold Hardiness Zone 10b AHS Heat Zone 4 Sunset Climate Zone 22 @HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Carl Rosner++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Carl Rosner++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Texas Ebony cascade??
Hi all,
I've been working on four Texas Ebony for the last 3-4 years. Does any one know of any picture of a mature Texas ebony bonsai? Have a good day ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Carl Rosner++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Texas Ebony cascade??
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From: "Samuel Gomez" Hi all, I've been working on four Texas Ebony for the last 3-4 years. Does any one know of any picture of a mature Texas ebony bonsai? A fine specimen can be seen at: http://www.wimberley-tx.com/~bonsaijg/tree.html another at: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/P...texasebony.jpg (Scroll down to the bottom of the page.) I have two texas ebony, and the largest trunk is about 1/2 inch. The one in the Brooklyn Botanic Garden is smaller. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Carl Rosner++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Texas Ebony cascade??
Hi all,
Bart, thanks for the URL. http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/P...texasebony.jpg How old is this one? Have you grown this one from seed? Thanks again Kind regards ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Carl Rosner++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Texas Ebony cascade??
I don't THINK Texas Ebony and Raintree are same family ( although I'm too
lazy to research it) they just look similar, but, if anyone is sure about it I'll store the knowledge away :) I have a TE that I bought at a nursery in Phoenix in 1985. It was large and wild. They sell them for landscaping but I don't think they are very atractive in natural arid land growing state. Does anyone know how/why these migrated over to Florida?Mine was tall with several straight shoots. I cut it way back to train as bonsai. Probably 90% of it is gone. It has done fabulous over the years in the house in winter, as well as ones I've brought back from the certainly more tropical southern Florida ( where Barts came from). San Antonio, Texas' late , and well respected, nursery owners used to have some nice specimens years ago! I remember seeing some great, and fairly large, ones in Dallas area at Dream Gardens a couple years ago during the Kimura/Dream Gardens symposium. I was suprised at the onset however that once trained into a bonsai pot if let to go dry it rains leaves ( probably a good defensive move in Arizona/Texas deserts! So I am careful to keep watered in the house. It Flourishes outside in summer, but, very slow growing trunk. Mine has not gotten much bigger in 18 years. Dale Cochoy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl L Rosner" Subject: [IBC] Texas Ebony cascade?? Hi Bart: Go for it Bart.... If it is almost there why not let the tree tell you hpow it wants to grow. You just have to nudge it along.... I think the Texas Ebony are a really lovely fun tree. I am pretty sure they are of the same family as the Brazilian Rain tree, and both trees are to be enjoyed year round. I do keep mine on propagation mats and they do not just survive indoors, but are thriving all winter.... 8-) Carl L. Rosner - near Atlantic City zone 6/7 Bart Thomas wrote: I have a texas ebony that is a natural (no changes in planting angle or serious branch bending) semi-cascade. With clip and grow, it could grow into a full two stage cascade. Has anyone seen this in nature? I don't want a "forced" effect. Thanks. Bart ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Carl Rosner++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Texas Ebony cascade??
Thanks for the links Bart.
Good sized TE's specimens. I remember seeing a pretty big, beautiful one years ago at the Chicago show but don't know whose it was. It was the nicest one I've seen personally. As I recall, it had a lot of carved area to the front. Mine has never flowered in Ohio. BTW, can an English Yew survive in San Antonio?? I was suprised to see that pic at Jade Garden site. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bart Thomas" Subject: [IBC] Texas Ebony cascade?? .. Does any one know of any picture of a mature Texas ebony bonsai? A fine specimen can be seen at: http://www.wimberley-tx.com/~bonsaijg/tree.html another at: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/P...texasebony.jpg (Scroll down to the bottom of the page.) I have two texas ebony, and the largest trunk is about 1/2 inch. The one in the Brooklyn Botanic Garden is smaller. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Carl Rosner++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Texas Ebony cascade??
I don't THINK Texas Ebony and Raintree are same family (
although I'm too lazy to research it) they just look similar, but, if anyone is sure about it I'll store the knowledge away :) Start storing. ;-) They're even the same Genus. Texas ebony is Pithecellobium ebano. Brazilian raintree is P. tortum. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - The phrase 'sustainable growth' is an oxymoron. - Stephen Viederman ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Carl Rosner++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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