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10-07-2004, 02:08 PM
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[IBC] Bonsai security, anyone do it?
Hi everyone.
snip So it raised the issue of security. They are in the back yard, which is fenced, and maybe I am being paranoid, but it doesn't really stop any wanderers/peering eyes from seeing them, hence stealing them. snip wondering if anyone had security for them. Apart from a dog that is. Actually, a medium- to large-size dog is probably the simplest and most effective form of security. I have a front yard, deep woods in back and 2 pastures, so all of my trees are in FRONT of my house (of course, we're set back from the road about 900 feet and can't be seen from the road). Posted along my drive are 2 signs: "Doberman Crossing" and "French Bulldog Crossing." Now, no one in their right mind would be afraid of a French Bulldog (but some folks are [?]). The Doberman is another issue. She's a patsy, but no one knows that -- and she barks at strangers in a superb basso profundo and glares balefully at tradesmen (and women). Even a smallish dog is often sufficient -- especially if it will bark at odd noises in the yard. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Only where people have learned to appreciate and cherish the landscape and its living cover will they treat it with the care and respect it should have - Paul Bigelow Sears. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Chris Cochrane++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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10-07-2004, 02:09 PM
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[IBC] Bonsai security, anyone do it?
Posted this one to Andrew direct but it bounced :-(
It does pay to give it a lot of thought. It happens to the best even with high security. I know that one Italian master has a high chain fence and this was breached to steal trees. One British owner at the forefront has two Alsations and high fences/intruder alarms and has suffered losses in the past. Two members of our 60 strong club have had all of their trees stolen. One gave up and the other has installed as much security as possible since. I suppose if you are a "masterclass" bonsaiest you need machine guns. I forgot to mention that we also have security lights (and after bedtime, loud beeps) that are motion activated -- aimed a few feet off the ground so the raccoons, possums, armadillo, dogs, and small deer don't set them off -- but those aren't specifically for the trees but for the general paranoia of the times. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Many of whose trees would fit in a pocket. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Chris Cochrane++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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10-07-2004, 06:04 PM
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[IBC] Bonsai security, anyone do it?
On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 08:30:50 -0400, Jim wrote:
Hi everyone. snip Posted along my drive are 2 signs: "Doberman Crossing" and "French Bulldog Crossing." Just beware that your dogs don't become the object of the thieves attention. A pair of the above could be a couple of thousand dollars. My lurchers (saluki x whippet) are certainly more valuable than my trees. They are loyal pals to me, and lovely house dogs. They sleep on armchairs, by the window overlooking my rear garden. I also employ methods from Kev's article. I need to consider footballs and random objects from over hedges and fences too, so my benches need some sort of canopy. regards, Richard ************************************************* ******************************* ++++Sponsored, in part, by Chris Cochrane++++ ************************************************* ******************************* -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Chris Cochrane++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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11-07-2004, 04:02 AM
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[IBC] FW: [IBC] Bonsai security, anyone do it?
"kevin bailey" wrote in message news:000401c46679$312a53b0$1b99fea9@Action... Posted this one to Andrew direct but it bounced :-( It does pay to give it a lot of thought. It happens to the best even with high security. I know that one Italian master has a high chain fence and this was breached to steal trees. One British owner at the forefront has two Alsations and high fences/intruder alarms and has suffered losses in the past. Two members of our 60 strong club have had all of their trees stolen. One gave up and the other has installed as much security as possible since. Hope you find my article useful. Thank you very much for the article, and to those who posted. Sorry, but my email addy is now invalid due to large amounts of spam. Will post a new one soon. Anyway I now have a few more ideas now, so thanks. We aren't really keen on having a dog, for various reasons, though it would be good. The yard is secured, however doesn't stop people jumping the fence. Thankfully on one side of our house is a yard that's sunken, so hard to look over the fence. This place bothers me as it's a rented house, and nobody seems to stay there long, in poor condtion, so cheap to rent, therefore attracting some undesireables. Other side of us has nice old people who have known me for the past 28yrs (my whole life) and over the back is a retirement village and most of the back yard along our fence has a garden shed, and large workshed. Anyway, thanks again. Andrew, Forster, Mid North COast, NSW Australia Cheers Kev Bailey Vale Of Clwyd, North Wales -----Original Message----- From: Internet Bonsai Club ] On Behalf Of Andrew G Sent: 10 July 2004 12:16 To: Subject: [IBC] Bonsai security, anyone do it? Hi everyone. Making progress for final displaying places for my bonsai. Currently they are on a bench/benches in one small area of the garden, recently raised from ground level where they sat with some other potted plants, and bonsai in training pots. Now they really stand out, and they will when the area I am building for them is finished. So it raised the issue of security. They are in the back yard, which is fenced, and maybe I am being paranoid, but it doesn't really stop any wanderers/peering eyes from seeing them, hence stealing them. I guess it's the fact they stand out that I have noticed this. That and the fact someone told me that in nearby Sydney some people were....... actually I won't say it as to not give any undesireables ideas, but yeah, theft around there is actually a problem and big market for it. Really, our bonsai are in the best area for them, and can't/don't want to tuck them away in some hidden shady corner. I can imagine some people here have the most beautiful bonsai and wondering if anyone had security for them. Apart from a dog that is. I have a few ideas such as a infrared activated alarm, fencing with razor wire atop, though a little ugly for a nice display. Then possibly another which may be a little crude so I won't mention it. Maybe it's all overkill, but something to stop people from being able to carry them away would be nice. We haven't had any problems with theft of anything in the immediate area, that I'm aware of, still being cautious about it. Any suggestions? Andrew Forster, Mid North Coast, NSW Australia ************************************************** ********************** ******** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Chris Cochrane++++ ************************************************** ********************** ******** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.712 / Virus Database: 468 - Release Date: 27/06/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.712 / Virus Database: 468 - Release Date: 27/06/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.712 / Virus Database: 468 - Release Date: 27/06/2004 ************************************************** ************************** **** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Chris Cochrane++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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15-07-2004, 08:02 AM
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[IBC] FW: [IBC] Bonsai security, anyone do it?
"kevin bailey" wrote in message news:000401c46679$312a53b0$1b99fea9@Action... Posted this one to Andrew direct but it bounced :-( It does pay to give it a lot of thought. It happens to the best even with high security. I know that one Italian master has a high chain fence and this was breached to steal trees. One British owner at the forefront has two Alsations and high fences/intruder alarms and has suffered losses in the past. Two members of our 60 strong club have had all of their trees stolen. One gave up and the other has installed as much security as possible since. Hope you find my article useful. Thank you very much for the article, and to those who posted. Sorry, but my email addy is now invalid due to large amounts of spam. Will post a new one soon. Anyway I now have a few more ideas now, so thanks. We aren't really keen on having a dog, for various reasons, though it would be good. The yard is secured, however doesn't stop people jumping the fence. Thankfully on one side of our house is a yard that's sunken, so hard to look over the fence. This place bothers me as it's a rented house, and nobody seems to stay there long, in poor condtion, so cheap to rent, therefore attracting some undesireables. Other side of us has nice old people who have known me for the past 28yrs (my whole life) and over the back is a retirement village and most of the back yard along our fence has a garden shed, and large workshed. Anyway, thanks again. Andrew, Forster, Mid North COast, NSW Australia Cheers Kev Bailey Vale Of Clwyd, North Wales -----Original Message----- From: Internet Bonsai Club ] On Behalf Of Andrew G Sent: 10 July 2004 12:16 To: Subject: [IBC] Bonsai security, anyone do it? Hi everyone. Making progress for final displaying places for my bonsai. Currently they are on a bench/benches in one small area of the garden, recently raised from ground level where they sat with some other potted plants, and bonsai in training pots. Now they really stand out, and they will when the area I am building for them is finished. So it raised the issue of security. They are in the back yard, which is fenced, and maybe I am being paranoid, but it doesn't really stop any wanderers/peering eyes from seeing them, hence stealing them. I guess it's the fact they stand out that I have noticed this. That and the fact someone told me that in nearby Sydney some people were....... actually I won't say it as to not give any undesireables ideas, but yeah, theft around there is actually a problem and big market for it. Really, our bonsai are in the best area for them, and can't/don't want to tuck them away in some hidden shady corner. I can imagine some people here have the most beautiful bonsai and wondering if anyone had security for them. Apart from a dog that is. I have a few ideas such as a infrared activated alarm, fencing with razor wire atop, though a little ugly for a nice display. Then possibly another which may be a little crude so I won't mention it. Maybe it's all overkill, but something to stop people from being able to carry them away would be nice. We haven't had any problems with theft of anything in the immediate area, that I'm aware of, still being cautious about it. Any suggestions? Andrew Forster, Mid North Coast, NSW Australia ************************************************** ********************** ******** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Chris Cochrane++++ ************************************************** ********************** ******** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.712 / Virus Database: 468 - Release Date: 27/06/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.712 / Virus Database: 468 - Release Date: 27/06/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.712 / Virus Database: 468 - Release Date: 27/06/2004 ************************************************** ************************** **** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Chris Cochrane++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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