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[IBC] Italian Stone Pine
I am taking my Pinus pinea to a workshop next week, armed with pictures from
the Web, a field guide to trees of Israel with even wilder pictures, and Charles Ceronio's book, since this tree MUST be grown in Pierneef style. I had a question about candles. The person who gave it to me had it for 2 years & never saw hide nor hair of a candle. Its growth habit was like Aleppo pine. However, there is a picture from Spain with candles & Ernie Kuo said it had candles. Now I know. My tree is growing a candle on the top branch. So candles are associated with adult growth more than three years old. Since I need to keep the juvenile growth habit, I will probably cut it off. Iris ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Sue Crabtree++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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In a message dated 6/20/05 12:06:08 AM, Tiziano writes:
it takes 5 years almost to start making some adult needles That makes sense. The tree was probably a year or two old when my friend bought it, and he had it for another two years before I got it. Now that it has been cowed into submission, it will probably not try to make any more candles for quite a while. After I sat through a four hour lecture/demonstration on Pierneef style, Charles Ceronio signed two copies of his book and descended on my tree. It is now starting to bud back, Gott sie danke, but he cut off the two bottom branches, so I will eventually have to repot it turned around. Iris ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Kevin Bailey++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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Craig:
Italian Stone pine can be transformed into an acceptable bonsai illusion, but it is far from being on the top of my list of those species most deserving of our long-term commitment. Wiring is essential, worth the effort, and yields favorable results. Be certain that you manage the candles, or you will find yourself facing undesirable internodal growth. I've yet to see one that sends my bonsai spirit soaring. );-) Cordially, Michael Persiano http://members.aol.com/iasnob/pinebook.html -----Original Message----- From: Craig Cowing To: Sent: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:04:15 -0400 Subject: [IBC] Italian Stone Pine On Jun 20, 2005, at 8:46 AM, wrote: In a message dated 6/20/05 12:06:08 AM, Tiziano writes: it takes 5 years almost to start making some adult needles That makes sense. The tree was probably a year or two old when my friend bought it, and he had it for another two years before I got it. Now that it has been cowed into submission, it will probably not try to make any more candles for quite a while. After I sat through a four hour lecture/demonstration on Pierneef style, Charles Ceronio signed two copies of his book and descended on my tree. It is now starting to bud back, Gott sie danke, but he cut off the two bottom branches, so I will eventually have to repot it turned around. Iris Anita has one that she's given up on, so I think I'm going to have a go at it. I'm thinking sort of a flat-top style. It's old enough so it has one purple cone developing on top. Enough branches to begin working with. How does this species respond to wiring? Craig Cowing NY Zone 5b/6a Sunset 37 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Kevin Bailey++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Kevin Bailey++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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wrote: In a message dated 6/20/05 12:06:08 AM, Tiziano writes: it takes 5 years almost to start making some adult needles That makes sense. The tree was probably a year or two old when my friend bought it, and he had it for another two years before I got it. Now that it has been cowed into submission, it will probably not try to make any more candles for quite a while. After I sat through a four hour lecture/demonstration on Pierneef style, Charles Ceronio signed two copies of his book and descended on my tree. It is now starting to bud back, Gott sie danke, but he cut off the two bottom branches, so I will eventually have to repot it turned around. Iris very sensible to repotting .. mine, I got rid of it after 6 years put into the plain soil( and a lawn mower got it ) it started last year to make in top few 4-6 " adult needles but all the others were short ones even in low side branches .. you need a special technique and climate to grow it properly Ernie lives south (like in Israel) and you live north like me so it is more complicate THEO POST TENEBRAS LUX Mais c'est quoi la realité? http://groups.google.it/group/free.it.arte.bonsai http://www.easybonsai.altervista.org/ |
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Ernie Kuo published a program of needle cutting on black
pine Bonsai Today# 42( The only one issue I have ) page 24 pinus pinea I guess is much similar and should respond probably the same way... Craig Cowing wrote: POST TENEBRAS LUX Mais c'est quoi la realité? http://groups.google.it/group/free.it.arte.bonsai http://www.easybonsai.altervista.org/ |
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Hi Caig Ernie Kuo published a program of needle cutting on black pine Bonsai Today# 42( The only one issue I have ) page 24 pinus pinea I guess is much similar and should respond probably the same way... Craig Cowing wrote: |
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Michael Persiano wrote: I've yet to see one that sends my bonsai spirit soaring. );-) well I guess teh only one available to be drrn in the net is Ernie's I am trying to do the same with a pentaphilla ( Mushroom shape as in Rome .. or Naples ) the scale proportion might be valid Cordially, Michael Persiano http://members.aol.com/iasnob/pinebook.html |
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Tiziano wrote:
wrote: In a message dated 6/20/05 12:06:08 AM, Tiziano writes: it takes 5 years almost to start making some adult needles That makes sense. The tree was probably a year or two old when my friend bought it, and he had it for another two years before I got it. Now that it has been cowed into submission, it will probably not try to make any more candles for quite a while. After I sat through a four hour lecture/demonstration on Pierneef style, Charles Ceronio signed two copies of his book and descended on my tree. It is now starting to bud back, Gott sie danke, but he cut off the two bottom branches, so I will eventually have to repot it turned around. Iris very sensible to repotting .. mine, I got rid of it after 6 years put into the plain soil( and a lawn mower got it ) it started last year to make in top few 4-6 " adult needles but all the others were short ones even in low side branches .. you need a special technique and climate to grow it properly Ernie lives south (like in Israel) and you live north like me so it is more complicate This is, I think, a tree that is NOT worth the effort you must put into it to make even a fair bonsai. Jim Lewis - - This economy is a wholly owned subsidiary of the environment. - Gaylord Nelson ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Kevin Bailey++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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In a message dated 6/20/05 9:11:46 AM, writes:
I'm thinking sort of a flat-top style. Why? Look at some pictures on the Web. In harsh climates they take on the umbrella shape. The stone pines with a somewhat flat top are pictures from Germany. How does this species respond to wiring? It is easy to wire, but you will get some brown needles. I don't know how long you have to leave the wire on. Iris ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Kevin Bailey++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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On Jun 20, 2005, at 9:38 PM, wrote:
In a message dated 6/20/05 9:11:46 AM, writes: I'm thinking sort of a flat-top style. Why? Look at some pictures on the Web. In harsh climates they take on the umbrella shape. I'll have to look at some pictures. This isn't one of those things I'm absolutely burning to do. Just thought it would be fun to try. The stone pines with a somewhat flat top are pictures from Germany. How does this species respond to wiring? It is easy to wire, but you will get some brown needles. I don't know how long you have to leave the wire on. Iris I'll give it a try. Craig Cowing NY Zone 5b/6a Sunset 37 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Kevin Bailey++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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Craig Cowing wrote: I'll have to look at some pictures. This isn't one of those things I'm absolutely burning to do. Just thought it would be fun to try. it is IMHO a sort of Bunjing as is geneally tall slim solitar ( we call it Pino solitario ( lone pine) and flat on top it is very romantic and nostalgic and I understand Iris that she wishes one, I wish one also since I was kuid and I know now the difficulty , hence I am using a pentaphilla instead.. I have seen on a bonsai book 2 chainese saikei with several flat to pentaphilla , 25 " tall about a little bit *short on legs* to my opinion but quite emoting The stone pines with a somewhat flat top are pictures from Germany. Germany ? is not their country http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thum..._di_Roma_2.jpg http://italia.grafiko.org/wROparaso2.jpg should see those one from Israel and Rome the Roman ones are known as being huger than the standard you can see in Naple in romantic drawing with the Vesuvio volcano as Lanscape If Japanese had the same sort of trees (and climate less turmented ) we might have some Hiroshige's wiew of the Fujiyama & stone pines Napolitan aquarello style Tiziano |
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I have to have one because
they grow in Israel they are said to be the oldest cultivated tree (6,000 years) they are the source of pignolis, which I love (the American equivalent, Pinus edulis, is the pinyon pine) they seem to be a good bonsai subject, although I don't particularly like Ernie Kuo's. Iris ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Kevin Bailey++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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