Hi All,

Thanks for all the advise and the laughs. Due to money restrictions, i think we are going to try tethering them - might have to tie them to a cement block though!

Rachael Simpson

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"Rachael Simpson" wrote:

Hi All,

Thanks for all the advise and the laughs. Due to money restrictions, i think
we are going to try tethering them - might have to tie them to a cement block
though!

Rachael Simpson

Tire with rims work for a lot of people.
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Omelet wrote:

In article ,
"Rachael Simpson" wrote:

Hi All,

Thanks for all the advise and the laughs. Due to money restrictions, i
think
we are going to try tethering them - might have to tie them to a cement
block
though!

Rachael Simpson

Tire with rims work for a lot of people.

Tethering goats? I've seen some success tethering them to old
pickup trucks with the tires and rims removed. But with billy
goats, even that is iffy.

Oh, don't use rope to tether them. They'll eat it. Use a chain
and watch out that they don't get their little feet/legs boogered
up in it. (Ask a goat person how to properly tether a goat. I'm
a cow/horse/chicken/dog/cat person.)

Goats are *very* cool animals, but...

Jan

--
Bedouin proverb: If you have no troubles, buy a goat.

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Jan Flora wrote:

In article ,
Omelet wrote:

In article ,
"Rachael Simpson" wrote:

Hi All,

Thanks for all the advise and the laughs. Due to money restrictions, i
think
we are going to try tethering them - might have to tie them to a cement
block
though!

Rachael Simpson

Tire with rims work for a lot of people.

Tethering goats? I've seen some success tethering them to old
pickup trucks with the tires and rims removed. But with billy
goats, even that is iffy.

Oh, don't use rope to tether them. They'll eat it. Use a chain
and watch out that they don't get their little feet/legs boogered
up in it. (Ask a goat person how to properly tether a goat. I'm
a cow/horse/chicken/dog/cat person.)

Goats are *very* cool animals, but...

Jan

I used to raise goats back in high school. I liked them a lot (Nubians)
but I'd never have another Billy goat unless I had a LOT more space!

Somewhere where I did not have to smell him. ;-)
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Peace, Om

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Our problem is not billy goats - the horse took care of our billy..........
once upon a time we had 15 goats. they all stayed in place then. when the
older goats died off - the younger ones started getting out. the billy
still kept them in place so to speak. but then, he challenged the horse.
the horse won. so now the remaining three nanny goats do whatever they
please. and nothing seems to deter them from the garden. nothing other
than killing or selling them anyways. very determined goats........will
probably be up for sell soon. hear the goat sale is pulling pretty good
prices.

thanks,
rae

"Jan Flora" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Omelet wrote:

In article ,
"Rachael Simpson" wrote:

Hi All,

Thanks for all the advise and the laughs. Due to money restrictions, i
think
we are going to try tethering them - might have to tie them to a cement
block
though!

Rachael Simpson

Tire with rims work for a lot of people.

Tethering goats? I've seen some success tethering them to old
pickup trucks with the tires and rims removed. But with billy
goats, even that is iffy.

Oh, don't use rope to tether them. They'll eat it. Use a chain
and watch out that they don't get their little feet/legs boogered
up in it. (Ask a goat person how to properly tether a goat. I'm
a cow/horse/chicken/dog/cat person.)

Goats are *very* cool animals, but...

Jan

--
Bedouin proverb: If you have no troubles, buy a goat.

"Rachael Simpson" writes:
Thanks for all the advise and the laughs. Due to money restrictions, i =
think we are going to try tethering them - might have to tie them to a =
cement block though!

Following on from the poster with goats that slipped out of their collars:
I wonder would it be possible to fit a goat with a large size dog lead
of the type that fits around the shoulders and under the chest, rather
than using a collar that goes around just the neck?

I'm also wondering aloud whether anyone has ever tried hobbles on goats?
These are used on horses and camels to stop them taking large strides so
they can be turned out at night to forage without wandering far.
Would flexible straps connecting a goat's front legs work in stopping
the animal climbing? It could take short steps, and still pronk, but
probably would not be able to climb up wire netting. Hobbles would
eliminate the need to move each animal's tether-point each day and to
provide separate water sources. It might be worth consulting a vet on
this, if it sounds feasible. I'd expect it would take a bit of getting
used to, initially, and the hobbles would need to be expertly crafted
and endorsed by a professional vet.
--
John Savage (my news address is not valid for email)

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John Savage wrote:

"Rachael Simpson" writes:
Thanks for all the advise and the laughs. Due to money restrictions, i =
think we are going to try tethering them - might have to tie them to a =
cement block though!

Following on from the poster with goats that slipped out of their collars:
I wonder would it be possible to fit a goat with a large size dog lead
of the type that fits around the shoulders and under the chest, rather
than using a collar that goes around just the neck?

I'm also wondering aloud whether anyone has ever tried hobbles on goats?
These are used on horses and camels to stop them taking large strides so
they can be turned out at night to forage without wandering far.
Would flexible straps connecting a goat's front legs work in stopping
the animal climbing? It could take short steps, and still pronk, but
probably would not be able to climb up wire netting. Hobbles would
eliminate the need to move each animal's tether-point each day and to
provide separate water sources. It might be worth consulting a vet on
this, if it sounds feasible. I'd expect it would take a bit of getting
used to, initially, and the hobbles would need to be expertly crafted
and endorsed by a professional vet.

Knowing goats, they'd eat soft hobbles... ;-)
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Peace, Om

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Omelet wrote:

Knowing goats, they'd eat soft hobbles... ;-)

OK. No more mister nice guy.
How about the fenceless dog collars? I hope your herd isn't too large. I
believe a wire is buried in the ground and if the collar wearer gets too
close to the charged wire, they get a jolt from the collar. If it is
adjustable, crank it up. If the sensitivity is adjustable, same thing.
Then we aren't just talking a stinking wire but an exclusion zone that
they won't be able to be in. If you set the charge too high, maybe Joan
Flora (?) in Alaska will have a recipe:-(

It may be too pricey but it may be worth looking into.

- Bill
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)

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,
Bill Rose wrote:

In article ,
Omelet wrote:

Knowing goats, they'd eat soft hobbles... ;-)

OK. No more mister nice guy.
How about the fenceless dog collars? I hope your herd isn't too large. I
believe a wire is buried in the ground and if the collar wearer gets too
close to the charged wire, they get a jolt from the collar. If it is
adjustable, crank it up. If the sensitivity is adjustable, same thing.
Then we aren't just talking a stinking wire but an exclusion zone that
they won't be able to be in. If you set the charge too high, maybe Joan
Flora (?) in Alaska will have a recipe:-(

It may be too pricey but it may be worth looking into.

- Bill
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)

lol I wasn't the OP, but that is a concept I'd not thought of.

I've personally no experience as to how goats would react to zap collars.

Those fenceless electric perimeters are really not all that expensive
iirc.

Tethering my goats to rim/tires worked for us, using a regular dog
collar. :-)

YMMV.
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Peace, Om

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In article
,
Bill Rose wrote:

In article ,
Omelet wrote:

Knowing goats, they'd eat soft hobbles... ;-)

OK. No more mister nice guy.
How about the fenceless dog collars? I hope your herd isn't too large. I
believe a wire is buried in the ground and if the collar wearer gets too
close to the charged wire, they get a jolt from the collar. If it is
adjustable, crank it up. If the sensitivity is adjustable, same thing.
Then we aren't just talking a stinking wire but an exclusion zone that
they won't be able to be in. If you set the charge too high, maybe Joan
Flora (?) in Alaska will have a recipe:-(

It may be too pricey but it may be worth looking into.

- Bill
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)

Kill a goat. Dig a pit. Put 1/4 cord of good cooking-type
firewood in the pit. Let it burn down to coals. Wrap the
cut up goat chunks in wetted burlap sacking, after slathering
the BBQ sauce of your choice on the meat. Wrap baler twine
around the burlap. Lay the wrapped pieces of meat in the
pit. Cover pit with a piece of something -- we use plate steel.
Shovel dirt over the plate and around the edges. Let the
goat cook all night. Uncover, unwrap, eat.

That's how we BBQ beef here, but we generally use more wood
and a backhoe to dig the pit.

Jan
beef cattle rancher

--
Bedouin proverb: If you have no troubles, buy a goat.

Well, the goats got the corn again. Too late to replant corn around here. I've never seen more determined goats. They are officially up for sale.
"Rachael Simpson" wrote in message ...
does anyone have any advice on keeping our goats out of the garden and flower beds? we had them fenced in high powered electric fencing, but they just run right thru it like it doesn't bother them. hate to have to sell them, as they were gifts to my son from my grandfather before he passed away. just hate them eating all my plants!

thanks............

In article ,
Jan Flora wrote:

In article
,
Bill Rose wrote:

In article ,
Omelet wrote:

Knowing goats, they'd eat soft hobbles... ;-)

OK. No more mister nice guy.
How about the fenceless dog collars? I hope your herd isn't too large. I
believe a wire is buried in the ground and if the collar wearer gets too
close to the charged wire, they get a jolt from the collar. If it is
adjustable, crank it up. If the sensitivity is adjustable, same thing.
Then we aren't just talking a stinking wire but an exclusion zone that
they won't be able to be in. If you set the charge too high, maybe Joan
Flora (?) in Alaska will have a recipe:-(

It may be too pricey but it may be worth looking into.

- Bill
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)

Kill a goat. Dig a pit. Put 1/4 cord of good cooking-type
firewood in the pit. Let it burn down to coals. Wrap the
cut up goat chunks in wetted burlap sacking, after slathering
the BBQ sauce of your choice on the meat. Wrap baler twine
around the burlap. Lay the wrapped pieces of meat in the
pit. Cover pit with a piece of something -- we use plate steel.
Shovel dirt over the plate and around the edges. Let the
goat cook all night. Uncover, unwrap, eat.

That's how we BBQ beef here, but we generally use more wood
and a backhoe to dig the pit.

Jan
beef cattle rancher

Thanks Jan,
I knew you would have the appropriate recipe. What would you use for
garnish and side dishes?

I have almost the same recipe.

Chuckwagon Hoedown Bbq
Categories: Beef, Bbq, Jw, Canadian
Yield: 480 Servings

1 Steer

From the Northern Bounty cookbook, subtitled "A Celebration of
Canadian Cuisine", ISBN 0-394-22431-0.

First you need a backhoe to dig a hole big enough to accommodate
several cords of wood. Use hardwoods, apple is good and fenceposts
are acceptable, but do not use treated or creosoted wood. Once the
wood has burned down to a bed of coals several feet deep, about four
hours, prepare the beef: cut into large chunks of 15 pounds each,
wrap in butcher paper and then in wet burlap bags; tie securely. Toss
the packages directly onto the coals, quickly cover with a large
sheet of tin, and cover the tin with dirt. The secret is to keep out
oxygen so the coals do not burn quickly and burn the meat. The beef
is left to cook- allow 12 hours for this.

After the 12 hours are up uncover the bundles; they will not be
charred. Unwrap, slice and serve with baked beans, fresh bread,
salads, pickles and for dessert 60 assorted pies and 30 cakes.

--------------------------------------

Are your steers grass fed or feed lot? Local stores are getting more
requests for grass fed and local ranchers are getting higher prices.

I think the Bay Area may be the slow food capital of the world.

- Bill
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum.

The 3 goats were sold this morning. Hated to do that. We tried tethering them & chaining them up, they tangled themselves up to often. They drug the tires & rims around like they weighed nothing. Didn't have the extra money in our budget for a wireless fence and collar system. Eating the remaining of the garden was the last straw so to speak. It was either sell them or let my husband fill them full of holes...........at least i am 150 dollars richer now. Thanks for everybody's help and advice.

Rae
"Rachael Simpson" wrote in message ...
does anyone have any advice on keeping our goats out of the garden and flower beds? we had them fenced in high powered electric fencing, but they just run right thru it like it doesn't bother them. hate to have to sell them, as they were gifts to my son from my grandfather before he passed away. just hate them eating all my plants!

thanks............

In article ,
Bill Rose wrote:

In article ,
Jan Flora wrote:

In article
,
Bill Rose wrote:

In article ,
Omelet wrote:

Knowing goats, they'd eat soft hobbles... ;-)

OK. No more mister nice guy.
How about the fenceless dog collars? I hope your herd isn't too large. I
believe a wire is buried in the ground and if the collar wearer gets too
close to the charged wire, they get a jolt from the collar. If it is
adjustable, crank it up. If the sensitivity is adjustable, same thing.
Then we aren't just talking a stinking wire but an exclusion zone that
they won't be able to be in. If you set the charge too high, maybe Joan
Flora (?) in Alaska will have a recipe:-(

It may be too pricey but it may be worth looking into.

- Bill
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)

Kill a goat. Dig a pit. Put 1/4 cord of good cooking-type
firewood in the pit. Let it burn down to coals. Wrap the
cut up goat chunks in wetted burlap sacking, after slathering
the BBQ sauce of your choice on the meat. Wrap baler twine
around the burlap. Lay the wrapped pieces of meat in the
pit. Cover pit with a piece of something -- we use plate steel.
Shovel dirt over the plate and around the edges. Let the
goat cook all night. Uncover, unwrap, eat.

That's how we BBQ beef here, but we generally use more wood
and a backhoe to dig the pit.

Jan
beef cattle rancher

Thanks Jan,
I knew you would have the appropriate recipe. What would you use for
garnish and side dishes?

I have almost the same recipe.

Chuckwagon Hoedown Bbq
Categories: Beef, Bbq, Jw, Canadian
Yield: 480 Servings

1 Steer

From the Northern Bounty cookbook, subtitled "A Celebration of
Canadian Cuisine", ISBN 0-394-22431-0.

First you need a backhoe to dig a hole big enough to accommodate
several cords of wood. Use hardwoods, apple is good and fenceposts
are acceptable, but do not use treated or creosoted wood. Once the
wood has burned down to a bed of coals several feet deep, about four
hours, prepare the beef: cut into large chunks of 15 pounds each,
wrap in butcher paper and then in wet burlap bags; tie securely. Toss
the packages directly onto the coals, quickly cover with a large
sheet of tin, and cover the tin with dirt. The secret is to keep out
oxygen so the coals do not burn quickly and burn the meat. The beef
is left to cook- allow 12 hours for this.

After the 12 hours are up uncover the bundles; they will not be
charred. Unwrap, slice and serve with baked beans, fresh bread,
salads, pickles and for dessert 60 assorted pies and 30 cakes.

--------------------------------------

Are your steers grass fed or feed lot? Local stores are getting more
requests for grass fed and local ranchers are getting higher prices.

I think the Bay Area may be the slow food capital of the world.

- Bill
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum.


Are you in the Bay Area??? Lordy, I was born/raised there, but
left as soon as I came to my senses. That was about the same time
I got a drivers' license. Moved to the Mother Lode, then moved to
Alaska in 1989. My brothers are still in the Gray Area, but I won't
visit, unless there's a really hot ballgame coming up. (SF Giants.)
The only thing I miss is professional baseball and the live music.
(Bluegrass/Newgrass/Folk/Country. And the Dead. Used to go see
The Dead every New Years Eve.)

But I digress... Our cows are grassfed. They'd be "organic" except
we have to use commercial fertilizer on our hay meadows, so we are
legally allowed to call our animals "natural beef".

Our growing season is too short & cold to do organic fertilizer.
Other than that, we grow our own hay & grain. The cows eat green
grass in the summer and our hay/grain in the winter. No antibiotics
unless some bonehead steps on a nail and comes it holding a hoof up,
or something like that. Then the animal will get one shot of
Penicillin-G Procaine. Maybe two shots, if the animal isn't a bitch
to catch. (When they're well enough to run away from you, that's a
good sign.)

We don't feed our cows ground-up sheep parts, old phonebooks,
cardboard, chicken manure or any of those things that feedlot
cows in America eat. (Cows can digest cellulose. Old phone books &
cardboard are made of cellulose. Believe it or not, cows can digest
them and some people feed them to cows. I happen to like my cows.
I don't feed crap like that to them!)

Side dishes for a BBQ: what you said. Lots of potato salad; lots of
pies, cobblers, cakes; cornbread; homemade rolls; LOTS of baked beans;
coleslaws; pickled everything; etc.

Growing up in the Gray Area, I never went to a potluck. When I moved
to the country, I had to learn. Now when I make lasangne or a pie,
I always make two and stick one in the freezer. I have to attend a
potluck event at least once a month.

Jan in Alaska
Zone 3 -- my soil temp is up to 48F. *woohoo*!!

--
Bedouin proverb: If you have no troubles, buy a goat.