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Is cat poo harmful to vegatable/human health?
Billy expounded:
Unfortunately, most places do not permit or regulate the retail sale of raw milk. In most of the United States and much of the rest of the world, it is simply illegal to buy or sell raw milk. As more and more' people learn about the benefits of raw milk and want to start drinking it, a grassroots underground has emerged, linking consumers directly to dairy farmers with small, pastured herds. Thankfully, things have changed in a few places. http://www.realmilk.com/where3.html -- Ann e-mail address is not checked |
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Ann wrote: Billy expounded: Unfortunately, most places do not permit or regulate the retail sale of raw milk. In most of the United States and much of the rest of the world, it is simply illegal to buy or sell raw milk. As more and more' people learn about the benefits of raw milk and want to start drinking it, a grassroots underground has emerged, linking consumers directly to dairy farmers with small, pastured herds. Thankfully, things have changed in a few places. http://www.realmilk.com/where3.html Very informative post. -- Billy Impeach Pelosi, Bush & Cheney to the Hague http://angryarab.blogspot.com/ http://rachelcorriefoundation.org/ |
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On 2008-03-10, www.locoworks.com wrote:
My local coffee shop makes used grounds available for anyone to haul away. If you spread it around the garden it greatly discourages cats (they don't like the taste when they lick it off their paws). As a beneficial side-effect, it kills snails and slugs and encourages earthworms. I'm tempted to try a gadget with a motion-sensor that triggers a high-pitched sound (supposedly annoying to cats but inaudible to humans). Has anyone here tried one? Does it work? |
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, Billy wrote: In article , "Dioclese" NONE wrote: Traditionally, most gardeners don't put cow poop in a garden. The reasoning is the hay in their diet. They don't want to weed out the consequential seeds in the hay spawning unwanted growth. E-coli is spread to meat in butchering from the internal part of the digestive tract of the animal. Sanitation is always important. Segregation of internal contents of the digestive tract from the meat is just as important. Its more common with chickens. But, exists with cattle as well. Maybe some one can address "worming" in horses. I read once that the medicines that kill worms in horses guts will also kill them in the ground. The gist of the article was that if you are buying horse manure, find out first if the horse(s) have been recently de-wormed. I'd appreciate a response from any one who could talk authoritatively to this subject. In response to the second paragraph of Dioclese's response, this is why there are laws that limit the fecal (FECAL) content in our food (How much fecal content are you comfortable with?). At a poultry "processor", 75,000 to 90,000 birds are "processed" a night. At over 180 birds a minute, some things get by the killing crew. Animals have to die for us to eat meat, but they don't have to be tortured first (factory farms). Living conditions have changed little in the push to "organic" meat. The difference is in the fodder and the withdrawal of antibiotics. I recommend that you try to find a source of humanely raised meat, and eat less of it. Even though I am not the original poster, I thank everyone for correcting my miss conceptions. I have saved all links for further reading. Lots to read. This is an important topic to me and I suspect to others. I do live next to a cattle farm that raises black angus. Their stakes are good. I am a software engineer who now finds life in the country is nicer. Life is not simple anymore. The rules to healthy lifestyle seems to be getting more complex each and every year and as I get older learning new rules are getting harder each and every day. Enjoy Life .... Dan -- Email "dan lehr at comcast dot net". Text only or goes to trash automatically. |
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, "Dan L." wrote: I thank everyone for correcting my miss conceptions. I have saved all links for further reading. Lots to read. This is an important topic to me and I suspect to others. I do live next to a cattle farm that raises black angus. Their stakes are good. I am a software engineer who now finds life in the country is nicer. Life is not simple anymore. The rules to healthy lifestyle seems to be getting more complex each and every year and as I get older learning new rules are getting harder each and every day. When you get a chance read "Omnivore's Dilemma" (an oft referred to book in this newsgroup). Most people find it a real page turner. If you can find grass fed beef it will be healthier for you. It will be more expensive up front, but there are expected health benefit$ in the long term. It's not that the rules have changed, it's that it's hard to get early 1940s food out of a 21st Century store. Everything used to be organic. Then the "green revolution" (use of chemical fertilizers and synthetic pesticides, and now GMOs) taught farmers how to maximize their crops. Usually as you get older, the **** and vinegar starts percolating to the surface. Older people usually have less patience, because we don't have that much time left to waste. Come on Dan, get crotchety. -- Billy Impeach Pelosi, Bush & Cheney to the Hague http://angryarab.blogspot.com/ http://rachelcorriefoundation.org/ |
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In article , Charlie wrote:
On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:37:09 -0400, "Dan L." wrote: I thank everyone for correcting my miss conceptions. I have saved all links for further reading. Lots to read. This is an important topic to me and I suspect to others. I do live next to a cattle farm that raises black angus. Their stakes are good. I am a software engineer who now finds life in the country is nicer. Life is not simple anymore. The rules to healthy lifestyle seems to be getting more complex each and every year and as I get older learning new rules are getting harder each and every day. There *is* much to learn, but one thing I have found is that unlearning things is more difficult. Even more difficult is determining *what* one needs to unlearn. Glad you enjoy where you now live. Don't worry, it will become more simple as you gain knowledge and confidence. As you receive information and opinions on this group, and elsewhere, keep this old Chinese proverb in mind... "All gardeners know better than other gardeners." ;-) To add to you syllabus: "I have never let my schooling interfere with my education." -- Mark Twain Lastly, "Beware of people who know what's best for you". -- Me (until I get a different attribution) -- Billy Impeach Pelosi, Bush & Cheney to the Hague http://angryarab.blogspot.com/ http://rachelcorriefoundation.org/ |
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In article
, Billy wrote: In article , "Dan L." wrote: I thank everyone for correcting my miss conceptions. I have saved all links for further reading. Lots to read. This is an important topic to me and I suspect to others. I do live next to a cattle farm that raises black angus. Their stakes are good. I am a software engineer who now finds life in the country is nicer. Life is not simple anymore. The rules to healthy lifestyle seems to be getting more complex each and every year and as I get older learning new rules are getting harder each and every day. When you get a chance read "Omnivore's Dilemma" (an oft referred to book in this newsgroup). Most people find it a real page turner. If you can find grass fed beef it will be healthier for you. It will be more expensive up front, but there are expected health benefit$ in the long term. It's not that the rules have changed, it's that it's hard to get early 1940s food out of a 21st Century store. Everything used to be organic. Then the "green revolution" (use of chemical fertilizers and synthetic pesticides, and now GMOs) taught farmers how to maximize their crops. Usually as you get older, the **** and vinegar starts percolating to the surface. Older people usually have less patience, because we don't have that much time left to waste. Come on Dan, get crotchety. Ok, I just ordered the books on Amazon, "Omnivore's Dilemma" and "Animal, vegetable ..." two books that have been referred often here. I am going to put away my "Tensor Calculus" and "Vernor Vinge" books away for summer reading instead of spring. Enjoy Life ... Dan -- Email "dan lehr at comcast dot net". Text only or goes to trash automatically. |
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, "Dan L." wrote: Ok, I just ordered the books on Amazon, "Omnivore's Dilemma" and "Animal, vegetable ..." two books that have been referred often here. I am going to put away my "Tensor Calculus" and "Vernor Vinge" books away for summer reading instead of spring. Enjoy Life ... Dan Geez, Dan, where did you get "Animal, Vegetable, Miracle"? Barbara Kingsolver is a good author but she is mostly a cheerleader. If you were going to get a second book I would have suggested, "Teaming with Microbes: A Gardener's Guide to the Soil Food Web" by Lowenfels , and Lewis. Between the two, you are confronted with healthy food and healthy soil. I'm sure that "Tensor Calculus" and "Vernor Vinge" are good books but they are more conceptual that sensual. -- Billy Impeach Pelosi, Bush & Cheney to the Hague http://angryarab.blogspot.com/ http://rachelcorriefoundation.org/ |
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In article
, Billy wrote: In article , "Dan L." wrote: Ok, I just ordered the books on Amazon, "Omnivore's Dilemma" and "Animal, vegetable ..." two books that have been referred often here. I am going to put away my "Tensor Calculus" and "Vernor Vinge" books away for summer reading instead of spring. Enjoy Life ... Dan Geez, Dan, where did you get "Animal, Vegetable, Miracle"? Barbara Kingsolver is a good author but she is mostly a cheerleader. If you were going to get a second book I would have suggested, "Teaming with Microbes: A Gardener's Guide to the Soil Food Web" by Lowenfels , and Lewis. Between the two, you are confronted with healthy food and healthy soil. I'm sure that "Tensor Calculus" and "Vernor Vinge" are good books but they are more conceptual that sensual. I will put that Microbes book in my wish list also. The second book just makes it over $25 for free shipping. Books are a curse in my life. Its like drugs in other people. For the last 30 years of my life I have spent an average of $1,000 per year on books, I have a nice little library covering many topics. I would rather read a good book than to travel all over the world. Tensor Calculus is conceptual, "Rainbows End" by Vernor Vinge in my world is very sensual I like gardening, it is a comfort. I have a strong interest in the sciences, math and physics are strong points. Biology and chemistry are great weakness that needs to be improved. I know, I need to get a life Enjoy Life ... Dan -- Email "dan lehr at comcast dot net". Text only or goes to trash automatically. |
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In article
, "Dan L." wrote: In article , Billy wrote: In article , "Dan L." wrote: Ok, I just ordered the books on Amazon, "Omnivore's Dilemma" and "Animal, vegetable ..." two books that have been referred often here. I am going to put away my "Tensor Calculus" and "Vernor Vinge" books away for summer reading instead of spring. Enjoy Life ... Dan Geez, Dan, where did you get "Animal, Vegetable, Miracle"? Barbara Kingsolver is a good author but she is mostly a cheerleader. If you were going to get a second book I would have suggested, "Teaming with Microbes: A Gardener's Guide to the Soil Food Web" by Lowenfels , and Lewis. Between the two, you are confronted with healthy food and healthy soil. I'm sure that "Tensor Calculus" and "Vernor Vinge" are good books but they are more conceptual that sensual. I will put that Microbes book in my wish list also. The second book just makes it over $25 for free shipping. Books are a curse in my life. Its like drugs in other people. For the last 30 years of my life I have spent an average of $1,000 per year on books, I have a nice little library covering many topics. I would rather read a good book than to travel all over the world. Tensor Calculus is conceptual, "Rainbows End" by Vernor Vinge in my world is very sensual I like gardening, it is a comfort. I have a strong interest in the sciences, math and physics are strong points. Biology and chemistry are great weakness that needs to be improved. I know, I need to get a life Enjoy Life ... Dan Sometimes the discounts on second hand books is sufficient to more than cover the shipping. Second hand books can be better than what you check out at the library. When I can, I'll check the book out from the library and read it. If I really like it, then I'll buy it. The one I'm reading now, I wouldn't buy (Emerald City). Again, "Omnivore" is really good at explaining the whys and "Microbes" is good at explaining the hows. However, each plant has it's own little quirks and it takes awhile to get a handle on it, so Google a lot. Some things work for some people and not for other. Why, I haven't a clue. But there is nothing like a fresh tomato wrapped in a basil leaf, or fresh cilantro pesto, or the perfume of a just picked parsnip. We don't just eat to survive but we eat for pleasure as well. -- Billy Impeach Pelosi, Bush & Cheney to the Hague http://angryarab.blogspot.com/ http://rachelcorriefoundation.org/ |
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"Billy" wrote in message
... In article , "Dioclese" NONE wrote: Traditionally, most gardeners don't put cow poop in a garden. The reasoning is the hay in their diet. They don't want to weed out the consequential seeds in the hay spawning unwanted growth. E-coli is spread to meat in butchering from the internal part of the digestive tract of the animal. Sanitation is always important. Segregation of internal contents of the digestive tract from the meat is just as important. Its more common with chickens. But, exists with cattle as well. Maybe some one can address "worming" in horses. I read once that the medicines that kill worms in horses guts will also kill them in the ground. The gist of the article was that if you are buying horse manure, find out first if the horse(s) have been recently de-wormed. I'd appreciate a response from any one who could talk authoritatively to this subject. In response to the second paragraph of Dioclese's response, this is why there are laws that limit the fecal (FECAL) content in our food (How much fecal content are you comfortable with?). At a poultry "processor", Don't understand where you're going with the question, or why it was posed to me. 75,000 to 90,000 birds are "processed" a night. At over 180 birds a minute, some things get by the killing crew. Animals have to die for us to eat meat, but they don't have to be tortured first (factory farms). Living conditions have changed little in the push to "organic" meat. The difference is in the fodder and the withdrawal of antibiotics. I recommend that you try to find a source of humanely raised meat, and eat less of it. Are you responding to the OP or myself in regards to the immediate above sentence? Am working on a movable chicken coop on skids, a 2 section chicken yard. One section in fallow, the other holding the chickens, section rotated every 2 years. Yet another section for providing feed for the chickens, where they can browse after harvest as well. -- Dave My vote in this primary was for the lesser of many evils... |
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In article , "Dioclese" NONE
wrote: "Billy" wrote in message ... In article , "Dioclese" NONE wrote: Traditionally, most gardeners don't put cow poop in a garden. The reasoning is the hay in their diet. They don't want to weed out the consequential seeds in the hay spawning unwanted growth. E-coli is spread to meat in butchering from the internal part of the digestive tract of the animal. Sanitation is always important. Segregation of internal contents of the digestive tract from the meat is just as important. Its more common with chickens. But, exists with cattle as well. Maybe some one can address "worming" in horses. I read once that the medicines that kill worms in horses guts will also kill them in the ground. The gist of the article was that if you are buying horse manure, find out first if the horse(s) have been recently de-wormed. I'd appreciate a response from any one who could talk authoritatively to this subject. In response to the second paragraph of Dioclese's response, this is why there are laws that limit the fecal (FECAL) content in our food (How much fecal content are you comfortable with?). At a poultry "processor", Don't understand where you're going with the question, or why it was posed to me. What question? I didn't ask any question of you. Perhaps you weren't the OP, wouldn't the first time and I'm sure it won't be the last time I mis-con-screwed a post. You didn't write, "E-coli is spread to meat in butchering from the internal part of the digestive tract of the animal."? That is what I was responding to. If it wasn't you. You have my apologizes. Although, I don't see anything reprehensible in my response to apologize for. 75,000 to 90,000 birds are "processed" a night. At over 180 birds a minute, some things get by the killing crew. Animals have to die for us to eat meat, but they don't have to be tortured first (factory farms). Living conditions have changed little in the push to "organic" meat. The difference is in the fodder and the withdrawal of antibiotics. I recommend that you try to find a source of humanely raised meat, and eat less of it. Are you responding to the OP or myself in regards to the immediate above sentence? Am working on a movable chicken coop on skids, a 2 section chicken yard. One section in fallow, the other holding the chickens, section rotated every 2 years. Yet another section for providing feed for the chickens, where they can browse after harvest as well. You may want to take a look at a site that Charlie, the big lunk head, suggested awhile back http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/214 . It may seem to start a little slow but it has a big finish. -- Billy Impeach Pelosi, Bush & Cheney to the Hague http://angryarab.blogspot.com/ http://rachelcorriefoundation.org/ |
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"Erik Johnson" wrote in message ... Hi, I'm pretty new to gardening and would like some advice. I having trouble with a cat using my vegatable patch to do his buisness. I would like to know if this may be harmful if I am growing vegitables to eat. Normally I pick them all up, but I went away on Holiday and returned to find a phenominal amount in the garden. I started to pick it all up but it started raining heavily. Now I have found it has all disappeared - dissolved into the soil. Before I get any advice on how to stop the Cat I have already tried: Lion poo, tea bags soaked in Olbas oil, pepper, ultra sonic cat scarers, making friends with the cat and feeding him, orange peel, CDs stuck into the ground and making access difficult. My plan was now to install an outside tap and fit a motion sensor with water gun. If the motion sensor doesn't work it's time for a Have-A-Heart trap or a 22. |
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"Dan L." wrote in message ... In article , Billy wrote: In article , Erik Johnson wrote: Hi, I'm pretty new to gardening and would like some advice. I having trouble with a cat using my vegatable patch to do his buisness. I would like to know if this may be harmful if I am growing vegitables to eat. Normally I pick them all up, but I went away on Holiday and returned to find a phenominal amount in the garden. I started to pick it all up but it started raining heavily. Now I have found it has all disappeared - dissolved into the soil. Before I get any advice on how to stop the Cat I have already tried: Lion poo, tea bags soaked in Olbas oil, pepper, ultra sonic cat scarers, making friends with the cat and feeding him, orange peel, CDs stuck into the ground and making access difficult. My plan was now to install an outside tap and fit a motion sensor with water gun. I think you just found the answer. Just remember to turn it off, when you go into the garden. I am not an expert and could be wrong about this. I do believe cat poo is harmful to humans. I think it goes like this. If the animal is a carnivore (eats meat) and has a one chamber stomach, the animal uses E-coli to break down the proteins - then yes it is bad for vegetable gardening. The biblical sense - an unclean animal - humans included You can also get intestinal worms from cats. |
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