My old garden (14'x60') has two problems, on the left side where I've
been growing green vegetables I have a terrible bamboo problem. On the
right side where I've been growing tomatoes I have a wilt problem. I have
a new garden (15'x20') this year so I'm planning on letting at least part
of my old garden lay fallow. I'm going to solarize the tomato side to
kill the wilt pathogens. I've been using roundup on the bamboo but it's
never been able to eliminate it. I was wondering if solarization would
kill bamboo? It's supposed to be pretty effective against weeds as well
as pathogens so it might work. On the other hand the bamboo might just
punch it's way through the plastic.

One more question about solarization in general, does it work in New
England? The papers I see on the web are from UC Davis. Ma is a lot
cooler than Ca. For solarization to work it needs to get the soil
temperature pretty high, will it get high enough here?

In article ,
General Schvantzkopf wrote:

My old garden (14'x60') has two problems, on the left side where I've
been growing green vegetables I have a terrible bamboo problem. On the
right side where I've been growing tomatoes I have a wilt problem. I have
a new garden (15'x20') this year so I'm planning on letting at least part
of my old garden lay fallow. I'm going to solarize the tomato side to
kill the wilt pathogens. I've been using roundup on the bamboo but it's
never been able to eliminate it. I was wondering if solarization would
kill bamboo? It's supposed to be pretty effective against weeds as well
as pathogens so it might work. On the other hand the bamboo might just
punch it's way through the plastic.

One more question about solarization in general, does it work in New
England? The papers I see on the web are from UC Davis. Ma is a lot
cooler than Ca. For solarization to work it needs to get the soil
temperature pretty high, will it get high enough here?

Adopt a Border Collie.
Pen it where the bamboo is. ;-)

She killed mine and she's controlling my Star Jasmine for me at the
moment!
--
--

Peace! Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a Bitch."
-- Jack Nicholson

In article , Persephone wrote:

On Sun, 04 May 2008 19:52:43 -0500, Charlie wrote:

I'm going to solarize the tomato side to
kill the wilt pathogens.

NOW you tell me! I just put my tomato seeds in
last week. Very late for this area. Praying to whichever
gods will listen to me that the whole crop doesn't get
wilted out like last year.

You mean I shudda baked the earth for 'n' day/weeks,
and that woudda done it!

Dang!

Persephone

Charlie obviously meant that he had wilt in his garden and he
hopes that heating it would get rid of it. It probably won't.
If your soil was good last year, it probably will be good this
year too. Here in northern California the soil is almost 70F,
on the north side of a hill, so it is probably a propitious time
for you to plant your tomato seeds. Good luck, good health, and
bon appetit.
--

Billy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.counterpunch.org/martin05022008.html

In article , Charlie wrote:

On Sun, 04 May 2008 17:32:47 -0500, Omelet wrote:

In article ,
General Schvantzkopf wrote:

My old garden (14'x60') has two problems, on the left side where I've
been growing green vegetables I have a terrible bamboo problem. On the
right side where I've been growing tomatoes I have a wilt problem. I have
a new garden (15'x20') this year so I'm planning on letting at least part
of my old garden lay fallow. I'm going to solarize the tomato side to
kill the wilt pathogens. I've been using roundup on the bamboo but it's
never been able to eliminate it. I was wondering if solarization would
kill bamboo? It's supposed to be pretty effective against weeds as well
as pathogens so it might work. On the other hand the bamboo might just
punch it's way through the plastic.

One more question about solarization in general, does it work in New
England? The papers I see on the web are from UC Davis. Ma is a lot
cooler than Ca. For solarization to work it needs to get the soil
temperature pretty high, will it get high enough here?

Adopt a Border Collie.
Pen it where the bamboo is. ;-)

She killed mine and she's controlling my Star Jasmine for me at the
moment!
--

They any good at controlling bindweed and morning glory? ;-)

CHarlie

Probably. g

I just try to weed it out when it comes up if it's growing where I don't
want it. I like my bindweed as long as it's not anywhere near garden
beds.

I'm going to have trouble controlling it this year. I let it take over
last year as my gardening was minimal. The BC is confined to the front
yard. The bindweed is out back.
--
--

Peace! Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a Bitch."
-- Jack Nicholson

"General Schvantzkopf" wrote in message
. ..
My old garden (14'x60') has two problems, on the left side where I've
been growing green vegetables I have a terrible bamboo problem. On the
right side where I've been growing tomatoes I have a wilt problem. I have
a new garden (15'x20') this year so I'm planning on letting at least part
of my old garden lay fallow. I'm going to solarize the tomato side to
kill the wilt pathogens. I've been using roundup on the bamboo but it's
never been able to eliminate it. I was wondering if solarization would
kill bamboo? It's supposed to be pretty effective against weeds as well
as pathogens so it might work. On the other hand the bamboo might just
punch it's way through the plastic.

One more question about solarization in general, does it work in New
England? The papers I see on the web are from UC Davis. Ma is a lot
cooler than Ca. For solarization to work it needs to get the soil
temperature pretty high, will it get high enough here?

What's solarization?

Mary

On Mon, 05 May 2008 11:09:08 +0100, Mary Fisher wrote:

"General Schvantzkopf" wrote in message
. ..
My old garden (14'x60') has two problems, on the left side where I've
been growing green vegetables I have a terrible bamboo problem. On the
right side where I've been growing tomatoes I have a wilt problem. I
have a new garden (15'x20') this year so I'm planning on letting at
least part of my old garden lay fallow. I'm going to solarize the
tomato side to kill the wilt pathogens. I've been using roundup on the
bamboo but it's never been able to eliminate it. I was wondering if
solarization would kill bamboo? It's supposed to be pretty effective
against weeds as well as pathogens so it might work. On the other hand
the bamboo might just punch it's way through the plastic.

One more question about solarization in general, does it work in New
England? The papers I see on the web are from UC Davis. Ma is a lot
cooler than Ca. For solarization to work it needs to get the soil
temperature pretty high, will it get high enough here?

What's solarization?

Mary

Solarization is done by covering the garden with clear plastic for the
entire summer. The plastic acts as a greenhouse so it raises the
temperature of the soil to 110F.

In article ,
says...


What's solarization?

http://ag.arizona.edu/gardening/news/articles/12.8.html

"General Schvantzkopf" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 05 May 2008 11:09:08 +0100, Mary Fisher wrote:

"General Schvantzkopf" wrote in message
. ..
My old garden (14'x60') has two problems, on the left side where I've
been growing green vegetables I have a terrible bamboo problem. On the
right side where I've been growing tomatoes I have a wilt problem. I
have a new garden (15'x20') this year so I'm planning on letting at
least part of my old garden lay fallow. I'm going to solarize the
tomato side to kill the wilt pathogens. I've been using roundup on the
bamboo but it's never been able to eliminate it. I was wondering if
solarization would kill bamboo? It's supposed to be pretty effective
against weeds as well as pathogens so it might work. On the other hand
the bamboo might just punch it's way through the plastic.

One more question about solarization in general, does it work in New
England? The papers I see on the web are from UC Davis. Ma is a lot
cooler than Ca. For solarization to work it needs to get the soil
temperature pretty high, will it get high enough here?

What's solarization?

Mary

Solarization is done by covering the garden with clear plastic for the
entire summer. The plastic acts as a greenhouse so it raises the
temperature of the soil to 110F.

Thank you. It would also keep the soil dry though, which isn't good for most
plants.

Mary

On Mon, 05 May 2008 15:21:12 +0100, Mary Fisher wrote:

"General Schvantzkopf" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 05 May 2008 11:09:08 +0100, Mary Fisher wrote:

"General Schvantzkopf" wrote in message
. ..
My old garden (14'x60') has two problems, on the left side where I've
been growing green vegetables I have a terrible bamboo problem. On
the right side where I've been growing tomatoes I have a wilt
problem. I have a new garden (15'x20') this year so I'm planning on
letting at least part of my old garden lay fallow. I'm going to
solarize the tomato side to kill the wilt pathogens. I've been using
roundup on the bamboo but it's never been able to eliminate it. I was
wondering if solarization would kill bamboo? It's supposed to be
pretty effective against weeds as well as pathogens so it might work.
On the other hand the bamboo might just punch it's way through the
plastic.

One more question about solarization in general, does it work in New
England? The papers I see on the web are from UC Davis. Ma is a lot
cooler than Ca. For solarization to work it needs to get the soil
temperature pretty high, will it get high enough here?

What's solarization?

Mary

Solarization is done by covering the garden with clear plastic for the
entire summer. The plastic acts as a greenhouse so it raises the
temperature of the soil to 110F.

Thank you. It would also keep the soil dry though, which isn't good for
most plants.

Mary

It's not supposed to be good for the plants that are there, it's supposed
to kill them. Solarization is a means of sterilizing the soil, the idea
is to cook the fungi, weeds and other undesirable pests out of the soil.
It takes the whole summer so you can't use that piece of garden again
until the next year. I have enough garden space so that I can afford to
let some land lay fallow and I'm keen to give solarization a try assuming
it can work in my area. It's apparently a very effective technique in the
hot parts of the country, but it's not clear that it will work here in
Massachusetts which is why I'm asking if anyone has used it in a New
England like climate.

In article , Charlie wrote:

On Sun, 04 May 2008 21:55:29 -0700, Billy wrote:

In article , Persephone wrote:

On Sun, 04 May 2008 19:52:43 -0500, Charlie wrote:

I'm going to solarize the tomato side to
kill the wilt pathogens.

NOW you tell me! I just put my tomato seeds in
last week. Very late for this area. Praying to whichever
gods will listen to me that the whole crop doesn't get
wilted out like last year.

You mean I shudda baked the earth for 'n' day/weeks,
and that woudda done it!

Dang!

Persephone

Charlie obviously meant that he had wilt in his garden and he
hopes that heating it would get rid of it. It probably won't.
If your soil was good last year, it probably will be good this
year too. Here in northern California the soil is almost 70F,
on the north side of a hill, so it is probably a propitious time
for you to plant your tomato seeds. Good luck, good health, and
bon appetit.


WTF...is Charlie drunked er summat? Charlie seems to be missin'
sumpthin' Charlie writed?!??!! Charlie gots no wilt inna garden...wilt
be elsewherses....Charlie thinks.

Charlie, er, I am Charlie, ain't I?

What, you been left out of the loop?
--

Billy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo...eature=related

In article ,
"Mary Fisher" wrote:

"General Schvantzkopf" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 05 May 2008 11:09:08 +0100, Mary Fisher wrote:

"General Schvantzkopf" wrote in message
. ..
My old garden (14'x60') has two problems, on the left side where I've
been growing green vegetables I have a terrible bamboo problem. On the
right side where I've been growing tomatoes I have a wilt problem. I
have a new garden (15'x20') this year so I'm planning on letting at
least part of my old garden lay fallow. I'm going to solarize the
tomato side to kill the wilt pathogens. I've been using roundup on the
bamboo but it's never been able to eliminate it. I was wondering if
solarization would kill bamboo? It's supposed to be pretty effective
against weeds as well as pathogens so it might work. On the other hand
the bamboo might just punch it's way through the plastic.

One more question about solarization in general, does it work in New
England? The papers I see on the web are from UC Davis. Ma is a lot
cooler than Ca. For solarization to work it needs to get the soil
temperature pretty high, will it get high enough here?

What's solarization?

Mary

Solarization is done by covering the garden with clear plastic for the
entire summer. The plastic acts as a greenhouse so it raises the
temperature of the soil to 110F.

Thank you. It would also keep the soil dry though, which isn't good for most
plants.

Mary, the point is to sterilize the ground, to get rid of
vegetative pests. So, yeah, it wouldn't be good for any plant
under the plastic. A little moisture though, would probably help
in the transfer of heat.
--

Billy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo...eature=related

Charlie wrote in message
...

Carpie Diem

Carpe diem.

Don't use another language unless you're familiar with it ... :-)

Mary

"Mary Fisher" wrote:

Don't use another language unless you're familiar with it ... :-)

Does this mean I can't even use English v. American?

(Maybe Charlie meant "seize the carp.")


Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic
Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G

"Gary Woods" wrote in message
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"Mary Fisher" wrote:

Don't use another language unless you're familiar with it ... :-)

Does this mean I can't even use English v. American?

Most people seem to use American - even Brits! That doesn't mean that they
use it effectively, much less correctly.

(Maybe Charlie meant "seize the carp.")

In that case (!) he might have said goldfish ...

Mary

In article ,
"Mary Fisher" wrote:

Charlie wrote in message
...

Carpie Diem

Carpe diem.

Don't use another language unless you're familiar with it ... :-)

Mary

Latin is a dead language,
as dead as it can be,
It killed the ancient Romans,
and now it's killing me.
--

Billy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo...eature=related