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Furmint Grape Vines Sought
On Jul 4, 1:21*am, Billy wrote:
In article , *Joe Sallustio wrote: On Jul 3, 9:08 am, "Pavel314" wrote: "Billy" wrote in message ... In article , "Pavel314" wrote: "Billy" wrote in message ... In article , "Pavel314" wrote: I've been googling to find a location that sells furmint grape vines without any success. If anyone knows of a vendor, please post. Thanks, Paul http://www.viticlonesupplies.com/id20.htm Don't get excited, it looks like you'll be put on a waiting list.. You might give the University of California at Davis' viticulture department a jingle. They might have a line on it (more likely someone who could or has imported it). If you're planning on making a Tokaj style wine, you had best learn about botrytis cinerea, the mold that can turn a crop of white grapes into gold or garbage. It is botrytis cinerea (a.k.a. bunch rot) that is responsible for Sauternes, trokenbeerenausleses, and Tokaj. Thanks, Billy, I wrote to them both. What I want to make is shipon, a Slovenian white wine made from furmint grapes. (In Slovenian, the "sh" sound is indicated by an "s" with an inverted chevron on top, but I don't have that letter available in my email fonts.) Anyway, it used to *be available everywhere in Cleveland in the 1960's and 1970's but just isn't imported anymore, so I thought I'd grow my own. Paul Does it have a varietal flavor or is it the structure (fruitiness, mouth feel, tannins, ect.) of the wine that you like? If it was cheap, it will have been tank fermented (either a lined concret tank or stainless).. If the weather is anything like Germany, the wines may be 6% to 11% alcohol. I consider that consumer friendly. What did the one you have taste like? After 30 years, I remember it as having spicy tones and being very crisp, somewhat Gewurztraminer-ish. It was my favorite of the Slovenian varieties. I picked up some more recent descriptions on the Web: "It has a lively, fruity, almost peppery nose with some grapey depth to it. The palate is really lively and fresh, with an exuberant fruity, spicy character and a hint of spritz on the bright, acidic finish. This is a very pure, clean, minerally white that's full flavoured but zippy, and would be a versatile food wine. " "The specialty of the area is Sipon: the must can achieve an outstanding content of aromatic oils and sugar, while the acids are less aggressive." I ordered the last seven bottles of Sipon in stock at Zachys in Scarsdale, NY, yesterday. They may be the last seven bottles in the U.S. I'll post a review when they arrive. Paul You could check with Cornell too but Traminette grows well here in the Northeast and sounds very similar. *It's my favorite local white. Joe Traminette is a European hybrid (Joannes Seyve 23.416 x 'Gewürztraminer). It will be less good than a good gewürztraminer, which can be exceptional, with distinctive aromas of rose oil. * I suspect that furmint is more like a good pinot grigio. -- Billy Bush and Pelosi Behind Barshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg&ref=patrick.nethttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU&feature=related- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I make all of those from Northeastern US grapes and the Traminette is by far the best when it comes to nose and spice notes. I get most of this from near Fredonia which isn't too awful far from Cleveland. The seller (Walkers) does buy in grapes from all over the northeast but these are grown locally as I understand it. The Pinot Grigio could be overcropped but all I can tell you is it wasn't even on a par with a well made Chenin Blanc, it's just mediocre, not bad, not good. The Gewurz has a very pronounce grapefruit note that I really don't care for. The Traminette has come out like a nice Gewurz each time I made it. I make these dry so they show the flaws. I may blend the Gewurz or sweeten it to see how that turns out. I gave up on the pinot grigio last year... Once you plant it takes a couple years to see where things end up,I was just speaking to the local region, not the variety in general. Joe Joe |
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Furmint Grape Vines Sought
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, Joe Sallustio wrote: On Jul 4, 1:21*am, Billy wrote: In article , *Joe Sallustio wrote: On Jul 3, 9:08 am, "Pavel314" wrote: "Billy" wrote in message .. . In article , "Pavel314" wrote: "Billy" wrote in message u... In article , "Pavel314" wrote: I've been googling to find a location that sells furmint grape vines without any success. If anyone knows of a vendor, please post. Thanks, Paul http://www.viticlonesupplies.com/id20.htm Don't get excited, it looks like you'll be put on a waiting list. You might give the University of California at Davis' viticulture department a jingle. They might have a line on it (more likely someone who could or has imported it). If you're planning on making a Tokaj style wine, you had best learn about botrytis cinerea, the mold that can turn a crop of white grapes into gold or garbage. It is botrytis cinerea (a.k.a. bunch rot) that is responsible for Sauternes, trokenbeerenausleses, and Tokaj. Thanks, Billy, I wrote to them both. What I want to make is shipon, a Slovenian white wine made from furmint grapes. (In Slovenian, the "sh" sound is indicated by an "s" with an inverted chevron on top, but I don't have that letter available in my email fonts.) Anyway, it used to *be available everywhere in Cleveland in the 1960's and 1970's but just isn't imported anymore, so I thought I'd grow my own. Paul Does it have a varietal flavor or is it the structure (fruitiness, mouth feel, tannins, ect.) of the wine that you like? If it was cheap, it will have been tank fermented (either a lined concret tank or stainless). If the weather is anything like Germany, the wines may be 6% to 11% alcohol. I consider that consumer friendly. What did the one you have taste like? After 30 years, I remember it as having spicy tones and being very crisp, somewhat Gewurztraminer-ish. It was my favorite of the Slovenian varieties. I picked up some more recent descriptions on the Web: "It has a lively, fruity, almost peppery nose with some grapey depth to it. The palate is really lively and fresh, with an exuberant fruity, spicy character and a hint of spritz on the bright, acidic finish. This is a very pure, clean, minerally white that's full flavoured but zippy, and would be a versatile food wine. " "The specialty of the area is Sipon: the must can achieve an outstanding content of aromatic oils and sugar, while the acids are less aggressive." I ordered the last seven bottles of Sipon in stock at Zachys in Scarsdale, NY, yesterday. They may be the last seven bottles in the U.S. I'll post a review when they arrive. Paul You could check with Cornell too but Traminette grows well here in the Northeast and sounds very similar. *It's my favorite local white. Joe Traminette is a European hybrid (Joannes Seyve 23.416 x 'Gewürztraminer). It will be less good than a good gewürztraminer, which can be exceptional, with distinctive aromas of rose oil. * I suspect that furmint is more like a good pinot grigio. -- Billy Bush and Pelosi Behind Barshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg&ref=patrick.nethttp://www.you tube.com/watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU&feature=related- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I make all of those from Northeastern US grapes and the Traminette is by far the best when it comes to nose and spice notes. I get most of this from near Fredonia which isn't too awful far from Cleveland. The seller (Walkers) does buy in grapes from all over the northeast but these are grown locally as I understand it. The Pinot Grigio could be overcropped but all I can tell you is it wasn't even on a par with a well made Chenin Blanc, it's just mediocre, not bad, not good. The Gewurz has a very pronounce grapefruit note that I really don't care for. The Traminette has come out like a nice Gewurz each time I made it. I make these dry so they show the flaws. I may blend the Gewurz or sweeten it to see how that turns out. I gave up on the pinot grigio last year... Once you plant it takes a couple years to see where things end up,I was just speaking to the local region, not the variety in general. Joe Great fun Joe. It has always amazed me how easy wine is to make. You fermenting in 5 gal glass bottles or barrels? Used to be that white grapes were ready at 21 to 23 brix and reds at 22 to 24 and a total acid of about .7% but these days everybody is making wine for Robert Parker which means soft, high alcohol wines that are picked at 24 to 28 brix. This is a good time of year to have a cellar full of cool white wine. It's a 101F outside as I type. It's no good for grapes, all they can do in this heat is pump water for evaporative cooling. No energy for ripening grapes. To your health. -- Billy Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo...eature=related |
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Furmint Grape Vines Sought
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, Joe Sallustio wrote: The Traminette has come out like a nice Gewurz each time I made it. I make these dry so they show the flaws. Dry is how the Alsatians do it and it goes really well with quiche or tarte flambée. -- Billy Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo...eature=related |
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Furmint Grape Vines Sought
On Jul 8, 7:08 pm, Billy wrote:
In article , Joe Sallustio wrote: On Jul 4, 1:21 am, Billy wrote: In article , Joe Sallustio wrote: On Jul 3, 9:08 am, "Pavel314" wrote: "Billy" wrote in message .. . In article , "Pavel314" wrote: "Billy" wrote in message u... In article , "Pavel314" wrote: I've been googling to find a location that sells furmint grape vines without any success. If anyone knows of a vendor, please post. Thanks, Paul http://www.viticlonesupplies.com/id20.htm Don't get excited, it looks like you'll be put on a waiting list. You might give the University of California at Davis' viticulture department a jingle. They might have a line on it (more likely someone who could or has imported it). If you're planning on making a Tokaj style wine, you had best learn about botrytis cinerea, the mold that can turn a crop of white grapes into gold or garbage. It is botrytis cinerea (a.k.a. bunch rot) that is responsible for Sauternes, trokenbeerenausleses, and Tokaj. Thanks, Billy, I wrote to them both. What I want to make is shipon, a Slovenian white wine made from furmint grapes. (In Slovenian, the "sh" sound is indicated by an "s" with an inverted chevron on top, but I don't have that letter available in my email fonts.) Anyway, it used to be available everywhere in Cleveland in the 1960's and 1970's but just isn't imported anymore, so I thought I'd grow my own. Paul Does it have a varietal flavor or is it the structure (fruitiness, mouth feel, tannins, ect.) of the wine that you like? If it was cheap, it will have been tank fermented (either a lined concret tank or stainless). If the weather is anything like Germany, the wines may be 6% to 11% alcohol. I consider that consumer friendly. What did the one you have taste like? After 30 years, I remember it as having spicy tones and being very crisp, somewhat Gewurztraminer-ish. It was my favorite of the Slovenian varieties. I picked up some more recent descriptions on the Web: "It has a lively, fruity, almost peppery nose with some grapey depth to it. The palate is really lively and fresh, with an exuberant fruity, spicy character and a hint of spritz on the bright, acidic finish. This is a very pure, clean, minerally white that's full flavoured but zippy, and would be a versatile food wine. " "The specialty of the area is Sipon: the must can achieve an outstanding content of aromatic oils and sugar, while the acids are less aggressive." I ordered the last seven bottles of Sipon in stock at Zachys in Scarsdale, NY, yesterday. They may be the last seven bottles in the U.S. I'll post a review when they arrive. Paul You could check with Cornell too but Traminette grows well here in the Northeast and sounds very similar. It's my favorite local white. Joe Traminette is a European hybrid (Joannes Seyve 23.416 x 'Gewürztraminer). It will be less good than a good gewürztraminer, which can be exceptional, with distinctive aromas of rose oil. I suspect that furmint is more like a good pinot grigio. -- Billy Bush and Pelosi Behind Barshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg&ref=patrick.nethttp://www.you tube.com/watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU&feature=related- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I make all of those from Northeastern US grapes and the Traminette is by far the best when it comes to nose and spice notes. I get most of this from near Fredonia which isn't too awful far from Cleveland. The seller (Walkers) does buy in grapes from all over the northeast but these are grown locally as I understand it. The Pinot Grigio could be overcropped but all I can tell you is it wasn't even on a par with a well made Chenin Blanc, it's just mediocre, not bad, not good. The Gewurz has a very pronounce grapefruit note that I really don't care for. The Traminette has come out like a nice Gewurz each time I made it. I make these dry so they show the flaws. I may blend the Gewurz or sweeten it to see how that turns out. I gave up on the pinot grigio last year... Once you plant it takes a couple years to see where things end up,I was just speaking to the local region, not the variety in general. Joe Great fun Joe. It has always amazed me how easy wine is to make. You fermenting in 5 gal glass bottles or barrels? Used to be that white grapes were ready at 21 to 23 brix and reds at 22 to 24 and a total acid of about .7% but these days everybody is making wine for Robert Parker which means soft, high alcohol wines that are picked at 24 to 28 brix. This is a good time of year to have a cellar full of cool white wine. It's a 101F outside as I type. It's no good for grapes, all they can do in this heat is pump water for evaporative cooling. No energy for ripening grapes. To your health. -- Billy Bush and Pelosi Behind Barshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg&ref=patrick.nethttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU&feature=related Billy, I use carboys and demijohns and usually ferment with heavy toast oak chips or cubes. I don't understand the higher alcohol trend, balance is balance. I have never made a wine over 14% ABV that didn't taste hot; I just don't care for them. I have had a nice old vine Zin that high but I didn't make it, my grapes aren't of that caliber. Joe |
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Furmint Grape Vines Sought
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, Joe Sallustio wrote: On Jul 8, 7:08 pm, Billy wrote: In article , Joe Sallustio wrote: On Jul 4, 1:21 am, Billy wrote: In article , Joe Sallustio wrote: On Jul 3, 9:08 am, "Pavel314" wrote: "Billy" wrote in message . au.. . In article , "Pavel314" wrote: "Billy" wrote in message et.a u... In article , "Pavel314" wrote: I've been googling to find a location that sells furmint grape vines without any success. If anyone knows of a vendor, please post. Thanks, Paul http://www.viticlonesupplies.com/id20.htm Don't get excited, it looks like you'll be put on a waiting list. You might give the University of California at Davis' viticulture department a jingle. They might have a line on it (more likely someone who could or has imported it). If you're planning on making a Tokaj style wine, you had best learn about botrytis cinerea, the mold that can turn a crop of white grapes into gold or garbage. It is botrytis cinerea (a.k.a. bunch rot) that is responsible for Sauternes, trokenbeerenausleses, and Tokaj. Thanks, Billy, I wrote to them both. What I want to make is shipon, a Slovenian white wine made from furmint grapes. (In Slovenian, the "sh" sound is indicated by an "s" with an inverted chevron on top, but I don't have that letter available in my email fonts.) Anyway, it used to be available everywhere in Cleveland in the 1960's and 1970's but just isn't imported anymore, so I thought I'd grow my own. Paul Does it have a varietal flavor or is it the structure (fruitiness, mouth feel, tannins, ect.) of the wine that you like? If it was cheap, it will have been tank fermented (either a lined concret tank or stainless). If the weather is anything like Germany, the wines may be 6% to 11% alcohol. I consider that consumer friendly. What did the one you have taste like? After 30 years, I remember it as having spicy tones and being very crisp, somewhat Gewurztraminer-ish. It was my favorite of the Slovenian varieties. I picked up some more recent descriptions on the Web: "It has a lively, fruity, almost peppery nose with some grapey depth to it. The palate is really lively and fresh, with an exuberant fruity, spicy character and a hint of spritz on the bright, acidic finish. This is a very pure, clean, minerally white that's full flavoured but zippy, and would be a versatile food wine. " "The specialty of the area is Sipon: the must can achieve an outstanding content of aromatic oils and sugar, while the acids are less aggressive." I ordered the last seven bottles of Sipon in stock at Zachys in Scarsdale, NY, yesterday. They may be the last seven bottles in the U.S. I'll post a review when they arrive. Paul You could check with Cornell too but Traminette grows well here in the Northeast and sounds very similar. It's my favorite local white. Joe Traminette is a European hybrid (Joannes Seyve 23.416 x 'Gewürztraminer). It will be less good than a good gewürztraminer, which can be exceptional, with distinctive aromas of rose oil. I suspect that furmint is more like a good pinot grigio. -- Billy Bush and Pelosi Behind Barshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg&ref=patrick.nethttp://www .you tube.com/watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU&feature=related- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I make all of those from Northeastern US grapes and the Traminette is by far the best when it comes to nose and spice notes. I get most of this from near Fredonia which isn't too awful far from Cleveland. The seller (Walkers) does buy in grapes from all over the northeast but these are grown locally as I understand it. The Pinot Grigio could be overcropped but all I can tell you is it wasn't even on a par with a well made Chenin Blanc, it's just mediocre, not bad, not good. The Gewurz has a very pronounce grapefruit note that I really don't care for. The Traminette has come out like a nice Gewurz each time I made it. I make these dry so they show the flaws. I may blend the Gewurz or sweeten it to see how that turns out. I gave up on the pinot grigio last year... Once you plant it takes a couple years to see where things end up,I was just speaking to the local region, not the variety in general. Joe Great fun Joe. It has always amazed me how easy wine is to make. You fermenting in 5 gal glass bottles or barrels? Used to be that white grapes were ready at 21 to 23 brix and reds at 22 to 24 and a total acid of about .7% but these days everybody is making wine for Robert Parker which means soft, high alcohol wines that are picked at 24 to 28 brix. This is a good time of year to have a cellar full of cool white wine. It's a 101F outside as I type. It's no good for grapes, all they can do in this heat is pump water for evaporative cooling. No energy for ripening grapes. To your health. -- Billy Bush and Pelosi Behind Barshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg&ref=patrick.nethttp://www.you tube.com/watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU&feature=related Billy, I use carboys and demijohns and usually ferment with heavy toast oak chips or cubes. I don't understand the higher alcohol trend, balance is balance. I have never made a wine over 14% ABV that didn't taste hot; I just don't care for them. I have had a nice old vine Zin that high but I didn't make it, my grapes aren't of that caliber. Joe I agree. Higher grape sugars make for nice sipping wines but 21% to 24% make for better table wines, IMHO. Harvest for sparkling wines will start in about a month here. Better start cleaning your equipment ;-) -- Billy Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo...eature=related |
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It has a lively, fruity, about fiery adenoids with some grapey abyss to it. The aficionado is absolutely active and fresh, with an animated fruity, spicy character and a adumbration of flow on the bright, acerb finish. This is a very pure, clean, minerally white that's abounding flavoured but zippy, and would be a versatile aliment wine.
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