On Sep 29, 12:47*pm, jellybean stonerfish
wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 08:39:53 -0700, CanopyCo wrote:
On Sep 28, 2:47*pm, Billy wrote:
In article
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This is a good argument for plastic faucets for people, especially
those with young children because a metal faucet is a source of lead in
drinking water.
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Actually, the only lead in the water system of a house is from soldered
joints.
There are plenty of options other then solder for joining metal pipe.
The fact that a valve is metal has nothing to do with if it has led in
the water.
It is all about how you joined that valve to the line, and how the line
is joined at each connection.

First I ramble.
Actually, if you buy a faucet, in CA, there will often be a lead warning
notice, saying something about the faucet having lead, and to let it run
for a moment, to flush it out, before using it for drinking water. *There
was one in my new faucet, purchased a couple of years ago.

Google ( lead faucet ca )

I don't know where you live, but in california, brass plumbing fixtures
do contain lead.

My pipes are copper with "Lead Free" solder. *( is "Lead Free" solder
really lead free? ) and run under dirt, all the way to my faucet, so if I
run the water for 20 seconds, it is nice and cold. *The lead from the
brass, if any, is rinsed away, and all I taste is chlorine and copper.

City water sucks.-

Wow, I'll be dammed.
Even the faucet it's self is contaminated?
We are screwed.

"jellybean stonerfish" wrote in message
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City water sucks.


Nothing wrong with my city water.

On Sep 28, 12:06*pm, Mycosimian wrote:
I was just at the store looking at garden hoses and I noticed that all
of their labels carry a warning which says that they contain lead,
one should not drink from them, and one should wash their hands after
use.

I am wondering if anyone knows where I can find information on lead
exposure from using these hoses.

well, like everything else, if it was anywhere near the amount of risk
that driving is, you'd see people dropping dead from it every day.

that said, i was surprised to see how high the lead content is in some
hoses:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Consumer/S...3369894&page=2
and consumer reports found some hoses that deliver water with 100X
the EPA allowed amount. its not recommended that you fill the wading
pool with them, or let the kids and pets play in the sprinklers;
never thought of that.

of course, you can buy the lead free hose; not sure how much it costs.
all the ones I have came with the outdoor sinks etc. i bought. they
all seem to be clear or white vinyl where you can see the fabric
inside.

even if you have the lead free hoses, you still should let the water
run until it's cold so that you don't drink standing water from the
pipes/hose, for reasons of bacteria if nothing else. again, though, if
it were a big problem you'd see people dying of it left and right. but
it's good practice.

On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 07:58:33 -0500, "Dioclese" NONE wrote:

My well water filtration system, prior to house plumbing entry, runs like
this in series. Sediment filter, air injection bottle, carbon filter.
Change the sediment filter once a month, and the carbon filter every 3
months. Bacteria that come from deep wells are normally anaerobic, not
aerobic in nature. The odor, most likely, is hydrogen sulfide gas made by
such bacteria.

My well water has tested clean, I'd guess mostly because it's drilled
thru almost solid rock. That unfortunately means it's also some of
the hardest water the testers have seen.

Are there any filters effective for hardness, other than a Na or Ka
based softener?

"JustTom" wrote in message
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On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 07:58:33 -0500, "Dioclese" NONE wrote:

My well water filtration system, prior to house plumbing entry, runs like
this in series. Sediment filter, air injection bottle, carbon filter.
Change the sediment filter once a month, and the carbon filter every 3
months. Bacteria that come from deep wells are normally anaerobic, not
aerobic in nature. The odor, most likely, is hydrogen sulfide gas made by
such bacteria.

My well water has tested clean, I'd guess mostly because it's drilled
thru almost solid rock. That unfortunately means it's also some of
the hardest water the testers have seen.

Though your well was undoubtable expensive to drill, you will probably never
encounter bacteria and organic material entering through surface water
migrating into the aquafier.

Are there any filters effective for hardness, other than a Na or Ka
based softener?

Reverse osmosis will remove the minerals, but it isn't practical for whole
house use. Many do it for drinking water only. Personally, I drink hard
water and send the house water through a softener. We have a separate cold
hard water spout at the kitchen sink. There is evidence that drinking hard
well water reduces heart attacks. Speculation is that it's the magnesium in
hard water. Along with calcium, magnesium also gets replaced with sodium or
potassium for soft water. If I had to choose which of the 2 soft waters I
had to drink, it would be potassium.

Steve Young

On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 14:36:16 -0400, "Steve Young"
bowtieATbrightdslDOTnet wrote:

Reverse osmosis will remove the minerals, but it isn't practical for whole
house use. Many do it for drinking water only. Personally, I drink hard
water and send the house water through a softener. We have a separate cold
hard water spout at the kitchen sink. There is evidence that drinking hard
well water reduces heart attacks. Speculation is that it's the magnesium in
hard water. Along with calcium, magnesium also gets replaced with sodium or
potassium for soft water. If I had to choose which of the 2 soft waters I
had to drink, it would be potassium.


Yes, the testing company recommended a softener for the house, and an
RO under the kitchen sink for drinking water. I believe the price
for installation of both systems was quoted to be around $2300.

I believe the RO price was somewhere around $800 for a 50 gpd system ,
and then had to deal with expense of the filters. After thinking
hard about it, decided that paying $33 cents a gallon for the RO
Culligan water at Walmart made more sense, and even with a softener,
will continue to do this for my drinking water.

As for the softener, I've been delaying installation, because of the
way my outside lines are laid out. I used to have public water and
the outside lines to my pastures and barn was teed off where the
public line came. Unfortunately, I had to dig the well on the other
side of the house, resulting in the animal and garden water sources
now going first into the house.

I am/was concerned about my cattle/pigs and small animals
(rabbits/chickens/ducks) drinking the sodium boosted water, so I've
held off for about a year trying to come up with another solution
other than redigging all of the outside lines. But my water is so
hard (36) that I fear for my appliances and hot water heaters,
clothes don't seem to come as clean, and I'm tired of eating off of
plates and glasses that look like they've been dipped in chalk, or
rather my wife is tired of having guests do so.

"JustTom" wrote

On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 14:36:16 -0400, "Steve Young"
bowtieATbrightdslDOTnet wrote:

Reverse osmosis will remove the minerals, but it isn't practical for whole
house use. Many do it for drinking water only. Personally, I drink hard
water and send the house water through a softener. We have a separate
cold hard water spout at the kitchen sink. There is evidence that
drinking hard well water reduces heart attacks. Speculation is that it's
the magnesium in hard water. Along with calcium, magnesium also gets
replaced with sodium or potassium for soft water. If I had to choose
which of the 2 soft waters I had to drink, it would be potassium.

Yes, the testing company recommended a softener for the house, and an
RO under the kitchen sink for drinking water. I believe the price
for installation of both systems was quoted to be around $2300.

I believe the RO price was somewhere around $800 for a 50 gpd system ,
and then had to deal with expense of the filters. After thinking
hard about it, decided that paying $33 cents a gallon for the RO
Culligan water at Walmart made more sense, and even with a softener,
will continue to do this for my drinking water.

As for the softener, I've been delaying installation, because of the
way my outside lines are laid out. I used to have public water and
the outside lines to my pastures and barn was teed off where the
public line came. Unfortunately, I had to dig the well on the other
side of the house, resulting in the animal and garden water sources
now going first into the house.

I am/was concerned about my cattle/pigs and small animals
(rabbits/chickens/ducks) drinking the sodium boosted water, so I've
held off for about a year trying to come up with another solution
other than redigging all of the outside lines. But my water is so
hard (36) that I fear for my appliances and hot water heaters,
clothes don't seem to come as clean, and I'm tired of eating off of
plates and glasses that look like they've been dipped in chalk, or
rather my wife is tired of having guests do so.

How does water straight from your well taste? If it isn't so high in iron
that it makes it unpalatable, I would be inclined, (for health reasons), to
drink it with only minimal processing. ( i.e. a .5 micron beverage filter).
The only problem/concern is where the hard water is used in coffee makers
and other boiling devices, as it requires frequent cleaning to not become
clogged with mineral deposits.

I would supply hard unprocessed water for all drinking, gardening, livestock
and then route the household water through a softener and into the house
distribution system. I would install a separate line for a hard water tap
at the kitchen sink and to ice makers. Personally, I have no love for RO or
distilled water. I believe they are damaging to ones health. Distilled
water is a leaching solvent and I would rather keep the minerals in my
bones.

I had a hardy 6 foot tall uncle that drank only distilled water the last 30
years of his life and when he died, he was a little over 3 feet tall. (a
little exaggeration, but not by that much

Steve Young

In article ,
se (JustTom) wrote:

After thinking
hard about it, decided that paying $33 cents a gallon for the RO
Culligan water at Walmart made more sense, and even with a softener,
will continue to do this for my drinking water.

The drinking water at my job is deionized Culligan water. Unfortunately,
it comes in a number "seven" polycarbonate five gallon bottle. Most of
us bring our own water.
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Billy
Republican and Democratic "Leadership" Behind Bars
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