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I'm sorry but food is a political issue
lencoo12 wrote:
'Dan L.[_2_ Wrote: ;900474']In article , Bill who putters wrote: - 'TinyURL.com - shorten that long URL into a tiny URL' (http://preview.tinyurl.com/27ldgob) or 'Food Politics: How the Food Industry ... - Google Books' (http://tinyurl.com/2uch3kd) d+politics&source=bl&ots=4rU9bKzNwB&sig=_rGXfRoSMn JragGHmKS4cuC1oJ8&hl=en &ei=jyiSTJiYL8K78gb8semiBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct= result&resnum=3&ved=0CD MQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false Seems some folks want to control what we eat and how we eat. I think that stinks. Don't like it eat some artificial crab meat. 'Mystery Meat: Imitation Crab | Mark's Daily Apple' (http://tinyurl.com/cwzstd)- Nothing to Apologize about. Someday gardens are trees maybe not needed. Just like in the movie classic, "Silent Running" with Bruce Dern. In that movie the entire planet consumed artificial foods. Also the "high fructose corn syrup" to be renamed "Corn Sugar". 'Corn syrup producers want sweeter name: Corn sugar - USATODAY.com' (http://tinyurl.com/2asexss) Sounds much nicer -- Enjoy Life... Dan Garden in Zone 5 South East Michigan. Using a Laptop It would be a misnomer as corn sugar is glucose. High fructose corn syrup is something else but is functionally identical to sucrose when put in the high acid environment of sodas. Food police should bitch about something real. We went through this with Frank. If you can show some evidence of how long it would take sucrose to split into glucose and fructose in a soda bottle at room temperature it would advance the discussion. This reaction is usually done at high temperature or with enzymes involved to make it happen quickly. Consider also that HFCS is now replaces sucrose in many other foods that are not so acidic where sucrose was stable. So even if it is true that all the sucrose sweetened soft drink amounted to glucose and fructose (and so switching from sucrose to HFCS made no difference there) the intake per capita of fructose has been rising through direct replacement of sucrose with HFCS in other foods. As Billy points out there is a growing body of evidence that this is not good for us. David |
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I'm sorry but food is a political issue
Rick wrote:
On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 12:56:59 +1000, "David Hare-Scott" wrote: lencoo12 wrote: 'Dan L.[_2_ Wrote: ;900474']In article , Bill who putters wrote: - 'TinyURL.com - shorten that long URL into a tiny URL' (http://preview.tinyurl.com/27ldgob) or 'Food Politics: How the Food Industry ... - Google Books' (http://tinyurl.com/2uch3kd) d+politics&source=bl&ots=4rU9bKzNwB&sig=_rGXfRoSMn JragGHmKS4cuC1oJ8&hl=en &ei=jyiSTJiYL8K78gb8semiBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct= result&resnum=3&ved=0CD MQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false Seems some folks want to control what we eat and how we eat. I think that stinks. Don't like it eat some artificial crab meat. 'Mystery Meat: Imitation Crab | Mark's Daily Apple' (http://tinyurl.com/cwzstd)- Nothing to Apologize about. Someday gardens are trees maybe not needed. Just like in the movie classic, "Silent Running" with Bruce Dern. In that movie the entire planet consumed artificial foods. Also the "high fructose corn syrup" to be renamed "Corn Sugar". 'Corn syrup producers want sweeter name: Corn sugar - USATODAY.com' (http://tinyurl.com/2asexss) Sounds much nicer -- Enjoy Life... Dan Garden in Zone 5 South East Michigan. Using a Laptop It would be a misnomer as corn sugar is glucose. High fructose corn syrup is something else but is functionally identical to sucrose when put in the high acid environment of sodas. Food police should bitch about something real. We went through this with Frank. If you can show some evidence of how long it would take sucrose to split into glucose and fructose in a soda bottle at room temperature it would advance the discussion. This reaction is usually done at high temperature or with enzymes involved to make it happen quickly. Consider also that HFCS is now replaces sucrose in many other foods that are not so acidic where sucrose was stable. So even if it is true that all the sucrose sweetened soft drink amounted to glucose and fructose (and so switching from sucrose to HFCS made no difference there) the intake per capita of fructose has been rising through direct replacement of sucrose with HFCS in other foods. As Billy points out there is a growing body of evidence that this is not good for us. David I looked into the question and really do not think there is quality emperic evidence comparing the effect of pure fructose, HFCS and sucrose on metaboloic disorders and/or obesity- even in animal models. Certainly not in humans. We tend to eat a complex mixture of nutrients, including sugars and it is the overeating that causes the real problems, not just one form of energy. Here are a couple of references that are fairly decent reviews. Of course one can also find reviews that claim fructose is the devil, HFCS and sucrose its cousins and glucose a gift from the gods. However, a calorie is a calorie, and the loss or gain of an ATP molecule or two during the catabolism of a sugar molecule seems to me to be inherently less important than the essentially nutritionally null 500 cals one might consume in a softdrink. Most of us grow fruit and veggies and so most of us enjoy our fructose. All things in moderation said Aristotle- I think. Ann N Y Acad Sci. 2010 Mar;1190(1):15-24. Fructose consumption: recent results and their potential implications. Stanhope KL, Havel PJ. Department of Molecular Biosciences, School of Veterinary Medicine, University of California, Davis, California 95616, USA. Abstract In addition to acquiring a better understanding of foods that may have intrinsic health benefits, increasing our knowledge of dietary components that may adversely impact health and wellness, and the levels of consumption at which these adverse effects may occur, should also be an important priority for the Foods for Health initiative. This review discusses the evidence that additional research is needed to determine the adverse effects of consuming added sugars containing fructose. Current guidelines recommend limiting sugar consumption in order to prevent weight gain and promote nutritional adequacy. However, recent data suggest that fructose consumption in human results in increased visceral adiposity, lipid dysregulation, and decreased insulin sensitivity, all of which have been associated with increased risk for cardiovascular disease and type 2 diabetes. A proposed model for the differential effects of fructose and glucose is presented. The only published study to directly compare the effects of fructose with those of commonly consumed dietary sweeteners, high fructose corn syrup and sucrose, indicates that high fructose corn syrup and sucrose increase postprandial triglycerides comparably to pure fructose. Dose-response studies investigating the metabolic effects of prolonged consumption of fructose by itself, and in combination with glucose, on lipid metabolism and insulin sensitivity in both normal weight and overweight/obese subjects are needed. PMID: 20388133 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] But... J Diabetes Sci Technol. 2010 Jul 1;4(4):1008-11. The health implications of sucrose, high-fructose corn syrup, and fructose: what do we really know? Rippe JM. Rippe Lifestyle Institute, Shrewsbury, Massachusetts 01545, USA. Abstract The epidemic of obesity and related metabolic diseases continues to extract an enormous health toll. Multiple potential causes for obesity have been suggested, including increased fat consumption, increased carbohydrate consumption, decreased physical activity, and, most recently, increased fructose consumption. Most literature cited in support of arguments suggesting a link between obesity and fructose consumption is epidemiologic and does not establish cause and effect. The causes of obesity are well-known and involve the overconsumption of calories from all sources. Research employing a pure fructose model distorts the real-world situation of fructose consumption, which predominantly comes from sweeteners containing roughly equal proportions of glucose and fructose. The fructose hypothesis has the potential to distract us from further exploration and amelioration of known causes of obesity. Randomized prospective trials of metabolic consequences of fructose consumption at normal population levels and from sources typically found in the human diet such as sucrose and high-fructose corn syrup are urgently needed. PMID: 20663468 [PubMed - in process]PMCID: PMC2909536 [Available on 2011/7/1] and from the other side: J Diabetes Sci Technol. 2010 Jul 1;4(4):1003-7. Fructose: pure, white, and deadly? Fructose, by any other name, is a health hazard. Bray GA. Pennington Biomedical Research Centre, Louisiana State University, Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70808, USA. Abstract The worldwide consumption of sucrose, and thus fructose, has risen logarithmically since 1800. Many concerns about the health hazards of calorie-sweetened beverages, including soft drinks and fruit drinks and the fructose they provide, have been voiced over the past 10 years. These concerns are related to higher energy intake, risk of obesity, risk of diabetes, risk of cardiovascular disease, risk of gout in men, and risk of metabolic syndrome. Fructose appears to be responsible for most of the metabolic risks, including high production of lipids, increased thermogenesis, and higher blood pressure associated with sugar or high fructose corn syrup. Some claim that sugar is natural, but natural does not assure safety. PMID: 20663467 [PubMed - in process]PMCID: PMC2909535 [Available on 2011/7/1] Hmmm... As a consumer, I do not purchase any food products with HFCS or corn sugar in them. -- Enjoy Life... Dan L (Garden in zone 5a Michigan) |
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