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Confused about CO2 Kit "Sizes"
I want to put CO2 into my new 275 litre tank and am looking at the JBL
proflora 3 set which comes complete with a PH meter. Only issue is it (and many of the other sets I've seen) says its for tanks upto 200 litres. Why is it limited like that? Surely I can just inject gas at a faster rate in a bigger tank - or is there some issue with the size of the diffuser? If this is the case can I just put a T piece in the CO2 line & run 2 diffusers to increase the output? Lastly what is so special about "CO2 Hoses" - will ordinary airline not work or will it rot or dissolve or something if used for CO2? rgds Iain |
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Hello... I have read somewhere (The Krib?) that silicone tubing can leak out
30% of the CO2 gas bec. of the permeability of the airline. CO2 tubing is made from different materials that keep this from happening. As for the parameters of the setup, maybe it's the diffuser. "Iain Miller" wrote in message ... I want to put CO2 into my new 275 litre tank and am looking at the JBL proflora 3 set which comes complete with a PH meter. Only issue is it (and many of the other sets I've seen) says its for tanks upto 200 litres. Why is it limited like that? Surely I can just inject gas at a faster rate in a bigger tank - or is there some issue with the size of the diffuser? If this is the case can I just put a T piece in the CO2 line & run 2 diffusers to increase the output? Lastly what is so special about "CO2 Hoses" - will ordinary airline not work or will it rot or dissolve or something if used for CO2? rgds Iain |
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In article , "Steve Galupe"
writes: Hello... I have read somewhere (The Krib?) that silicone tubing can leak out 30% of the CO2 gas bec. of the permeability of the airline. CO2 tubing is made from different materials that keep this from happening. I noticed CO2 tubing for sale at Drs. F&S and it was significantly more expensive than regular airline tubing -- I'm using regular airline tubing and get satisfactory CO2 levels in my water...does the CO2 actually damage the tubing and degrade it? Anybody know? Erica http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/mitoem/mitoem/index.htm |
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http://www.thekrib.com/Plants/CO2/tubing.html
found the article! "E. Mito" wrote in message ... In article , "Steve Galupe" writes: Hello... I have read somewhere (The Krib?) that silicone tubing can leak out 30% of the CO2 gas bec. of the permeability of the airline. CO2 tubing is made from different materials that keep this from happening. I noticed CO2 tubing for sale at Drs. F&S and it was significantly more expensive than regular airline tubing -- I'm using regular airline tubing and get satisfactory CO2 levels in my water...does the CO2 actually damage the tubing and degrade it? Anybody know? Erica http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/mitoem/mitoem/index.htm |
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As for the parameters of the setup, maybe it's the diffuser. It is - got a response from JBL (who's kit I am looking at buying) and this is the limiting factor. They sell extension pieces for their diffusers to overcome this. |
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Confused about CO2 Kit "Sizes"
No more DIY CO2 for you!
Have you ever used these pressurized CO2 before? "Iain Miller" wrote in message news:myMz9.639$MR1.59997@newsfep2-gui... As for the parameters of the setup, maybe it's the diffuser. It is - got a response from JBL (who's kit I am looking at buying) and this is the limiting factor. They sell extension pieces for their diffusers to overcome this. |
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"Steve Galupe" wrote in message ... No more DIY CO2 for you! Have you ever used these pressurized CO2 before? Nope ! Not even DIY - couldn't be bothered with it - I know CO2 will work so I went for the easiest possible solution. This kit comes with a PH meter & solenoid so should be fairly easy to control (I hope!). I found a cheap source of either 3 or 6 kilo (food grade) CO2 bottles so I have ordered the kit & looking forward to seeing what it can do. My tank is about 275L (around 90 USG) & the kit is specified for 200l. I havn't bought the extension pieces yet - i'll see how it does with the standard reactor. I have control over the Kh of my water (via a peat filtering rig I built) & I now can remove all the Nitrates as well. My GH is around 10 deg after peat filtering so thats within reasonable limits as well. I can make the Kh whatever I like but am planning towards 4-5 degrees. The tank has only been running for about 10 days (with 6 platties in it for cycling). I already have Nitrates & good filters (2xEheim 2224). Its fairly heavily planted with all kinds of stuff & I am afdding fertilizer (which reminds me, I must put the root tabs in!). I'm thinking about a second rig for my other (community) tank (about 200L). The Nitrates have gone mad in there but I am getting that under control with big water changes with Nitrate free water. (My tap is at 50ppm at least!). I bought a Nitragon filter & it works a treat. Discus in my new tank in about 2-3 months I hope. I. |
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Sounds like a really nice setup.
I have a tip. Make sure it is hidden well. DON'T let the sun hit it or put it near a heat source bec. the pressure in the tank will change (hot air expands, cold air contracts). Even with a needle valve, the pressure will change. It might cause the tank to be overdosed with CO2. Have an air pump, in case it does happen, to help aerate the tank. But maybe the pH meter and solenoid will help stop it. Keep an eye on the tank. GOOD LUCK! "Iain Miller" wrote in message ... "Steve Galupe" wrote in message ... No more DIY CO2 for you! Have you ever used these pressurized CO2 before? Nope ! Not even DIY - couldn't be bothered with it - I know CO2 will work so I went for the easiest possible solution. This kit comes with a PH meter & solenoid so should be fairly easy to control (I hope!). I found a cheap source of either 3 or 6 kilo (food grade) CO2 bottles so I have ordered the kit & looking forward to seeing what it can do. My tank is about 275L (around 90 USG) & the kit is specified for 200l. I havn't bought the extension pieces yet - i'll see how it does with the standard reactor. I have control over the Kh of my water (via a peat filtering rig I built) & I now can remove all the Nitrates as well. My GH is around 10 deg after peat filtering so thats within reasonable limits as well. I can make the Kh whatever I like but am planning towards 4-5 degrees. The tank has only been running for about 10 days (with 6 platties in it for cycling). I already have Nitrates & good filters (2xEheim 2224). Its fairly heavily planted with all kinds of stuff & I am afdding fertilizer (which reminds me, I must put the root tabs in!). I'm thinking about a second rig for my other (community) tank (about 200L). The Nitrates have gone mad in there but I am getting that under control with big water changes with Nitrate free water. (My tap is at 50ppm at least!). I bought a Nitragon filter & it works a treat. Discus in my new tank in about 2-3 months I hope. I. |
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On Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:24:33 -0800, "Steve Galupe"
wrote: Even with a needle valve, the pressure will change. It might cause the tank to be overdosed with CO2. Well, with a regulator, the output pressure shouldn't change even if the tank pressure increases. My room temp (and therefore the temp of the CO2 tank in the room) varies from about 55F up to 90F, and the output pressure of the regulator never varies, by even 1 psi. That is really the job of the regulator. Regulators often have a problem when the tank pressure drops to a VERY low level, normally somewhere under 400psi, which only happens when the tank is just about empty. On my regulator, the output pressure is set at a rock-solid 7 psi, but when I am just about out of CO2, the output pressure has risen to around 12psi. With a needle valve in the system, the impact is still zero. But, it's still not a good idea to keep the CO2 tank in a place that will cause it to heat up, because if it heats up enough, it can build up to a dangerous pressure, which would cause a safety valve in the regulator to blow, releasing CO2 into the room. Chuck Gadd http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua |
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Confused about CO2 Kit "Sizes"
The CO2 gas is under so little pressure I am expecting that the leakage is
rather small. Take for an example a garden hose that has had small pin holes poked into it. If there is little to no back pressure on the system the leakage will be either none or very small as the water wants to find the easiest way to release. I would assume that CO2 gas functions in pretty much the same manner. Since the back pressure on our CO2 systems is small I would expect the same results. Just my two cents... Earl "Steve Galupe" wrote in message ... http://www.thekrib.com/Plants/CO2/tubing.html found the article! "E. Mito" wrote in message ... In article , "Steve Galupe" writes: Hello... I have read somewhere (The Krib?) that silicone tubing can leak out 30% of the CO2 gas bec. of the permeability of the airline. CO2 tubing is made from different materials that keep this from happening. I noticed CO2 tubing for sale at Drs. F&S and it was significantly more expensive than regular airline tubing -- I'm using regular airline tubing and get satisfactory CO2 levels in my water...does the CO2 actually damage the tubing and degrade it? Anybody know? Erica http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/mitoem/mitoem/index.htm |
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