Hello (and happy holidays):

I have an awesome set of raspberry bushes on my property in Prince George,
British Columbia. The provided a haul of nearly 40 litres last summer.

These days, I have plenty of leftover seeds from the berries when I puree
them for recipes such as sorbet and then strain the juice to remove the
seeds.

I'm wondering: can I plant the seeds removed from raspberries for producing
new vines? Any recommendations on how to do so in terms of soil, plant food,
etc?

Thanks...

Mark Karjaluoto

I imagine so, but it seems like it would be faster to dig up and transplant
the new plants that keep coming up from the spreading root system. That it
what I do with blackberries and get a wonderful crop.

Dwayne

"Mark Karjaluoto" wrote in message
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Hello (and happy holidays):

I have an awesome set of raspberry bushes on my property in Prince George,
British Columbia. The provided a haul of nearly 40 litres last summer.

These days, I have plenty of leftover seeds from the berries when I puree
them for recipes such as sorbet and then strain the juice to remove the
seeds.

I'm wondering: can I plant the seeds removed from raspberries for
producing new vines? Any recommendations on how to do so in terms of soil,
plant food, etc?

Thanks...

Mark Karjaluoto

raspberry farmers use the canes to propagate next year's crop, i understand.
try google:
http://www.hort.purdue.edu/ext/prunerasp.html
http://www.garden.org/foodguide/brow...raspberry/1457

should i bring the cream?

Mark Karjaluoto wrote:
Hello (and happy holidays):

I have an awesome set of raspberry bushes on my property in Prince George,
British Columbia. The provided a haul of nearly 40 litres last summer.

These days, I have plenty of leftover seeds from the berries when I puree
them for recipes such as sorbet and then strain the juice to remove the
seeds.

I'm wondering: can I plant the seeds removed from raspberries for producing
new vines? Any recommendations on how to do so in terms of soil, plant food,
etc?

Thanks...

Mark Karjaluoto

"Mark Karjaluoto" wrote:

I'm wondering: can I plant the seeds removed from raspberries for producing
new vines? Any recommendations on how to do so in terms of soil, plant food,
etc?

My experience is with cultivated red summerbearing raspberries but I
think it applies to all varieties. They produce on last years canes.
Hence each fall I would prune out most of the old canes and just leave
the new canes that had come up that year. There were plenty of new
canes. I would transplant those that came up outside the row into new
rows. There was no shortage of such new plants.

I have never heard of anyone getting viable plants from seeds. Hybrid
plants such as the ones sold in garden centers will not give plants that
are true to the parent plant They are propagated from suckers or tip
layers. The native wild raspberries may give viable seed, but again
suckers and cuttings are much easier to use.

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Mark Karjaluoto wrote:
Hello (and happy holidays):

I have an awesome set of raspberry bushes on my property in Prince George,
British Columbia. The provided a haul of nearly 40 litres last summer.

These days, I have plenty of leftover seeds from the berries when I puree
them for recipes such as sorbet and then strain the juice to remove the
seeds.

I'm wondering: can I plant the seeds removed from raspberries for producing
new vines? Any recommendations on how to do so in terms of soil, plant food,
etc?

Thanks...

Mark Karjaluoto

You don't need to seed any new canes. The opnes you have will spread.

This is what works for us (Can. Zone 4):

Cut back this year's fruit-bearing canes. If any new ones have come up,
leave them. Fertilise with a generic fertiliser in the spring (I get
50kg bags from the agricultural co-op). The plants will spread, since
they propagate via runners underground, so in a couple of years or so
you will be pulling/digging them up in places where you don't want them.
If you have dry spells and gravelly or sandy soil that won't hold water,
water well, especially when the canes begin to set fruit.

You had a good crop, so you needn't worry about the soil. I layer on
some leaves on the fall - that's what the canes get in the wild (they
grow in clearings in the forest.) I also spread a thin layer of earth
over them, to assist the composting process.

HTH

In article vgGrf.69417$2k.1717@pd7tw1no,
says...
I have an awesome set of raspberry bushes on my property in Prince George,
British Columbia. The provided a haul of nearly 40 litres last summer.
snip
I'm wondering: can I plant the seeds removed from raspberries for producing
new vines? Any recommendations on how to do so in terms of soil, plant food,
etc?

Sure, but a couple of considerations, and some of it depends on
how hard you want to work at it.

1) It may not be the fastest way to propagate. You can lay the
canes down and bury parts of them and they will root where buried.
Not having a robust root system developed, seedlings will likely
take a couple years longer to fruit. Not that the cane method is
without drawbacks - in some areas there is a virus (rust) that kills
the plant and will spread rapidly through connecting canes. You
could cut the connecting canes and/or transplant, or maybe there is
a spray for it, all of which are extra work.

2) If your berries are selective-bred commercial hybrids, you may
get anything but what you expected from seed. Wild varieties should
breed pretty true, however.

In my experience, they are not very picky about soil - I have to
pull seedlings from the gravel in my driveway every year. In the
wild, propagation is by animal droppings or by simply falling off
the vine if nothing eats them. Of course nothing likes hard clay,
but anything crumbly might work, and I would think they should
absolutely thrive with a bit of compost or manure. They tend to
be shallow-rooted, so you probably don't need to bury the seeds
very much if at all.

My own propagation methods are very much labor un-intensive - I eat
a few as I pick and spit seeds in the direction where I think I would
like to see more berries grow. Maybe throw a whole berry a bit deeper
into the brush here and there as I go. Been doing this way for about
6 years now and it's starting to pay off with better crops the last 2.
But that's just my style - I prefer minimal/sustainable.

"Dwayne" wrote in message
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I imagine so, but it seems like it would be faster to dig up and transplant
the new plants that keep coming up from the spreading root system. That it
what I do with blackberries and get a wonderful crop.


You *cultivate* blackberries? boggle You *want* them in your yard?

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Claire Petersky wrote:
"Dwayne" wrote in message
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I imagine so, but it seems like it would be faster to dig up and transplant
the new plants that keep coming up from the spreading root system. That it
what I do with blackberries and get a wonderful crop.



You *cultivate* blackberries? boggle You *want* them in your yard?


Deep dish apple and blackberry pie like my granny used to make... yum!
There's not many better things in this world. :-)

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"Dwayne" wrote in message
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I imagine so, but it seems like it would be faster to dig up
and
transplant the new plants that keep coming up from the
spreading
root system. That it what I do with blackberries and get a
wonderful crop.


You *cultivate* blackberries? boggle You *want* them in your
yard?

You are probably thinking of the non-native Himalayan black
berry.

--

Travis in Shoreline (just North of Seattle) Washington
USDA Zone 8
Sunset Zone 5

"Claire Petersky" wrote:

"Dwayne" wrote:
I imagine so, but it seems like it would be faster to dig up and transplant
the new plants that keep coming up from the spreading root system. That it
what I do with blackberries and get a wonderful crop.

You *cultivate* blackberries? boggle You *want* them in your yard?

There are 230 species of blackberry family in the USA. The most
obnoxious one is the Himalayan blackberry (Rubus discolor), however it
produces large delicious fruit.

However, many of the native blackberries are small creeping plants that
produce small fruit that is even better tasting.

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"Ol' Duffer" wrote in message
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In article vgGrf.69417$2k.1717@pd7tw1no,
says...
I have an awesome set of raspberry bushes on my property in Prince
George,
British Columbia. The provided a haul of nearly 40 litres last summer.
snip
I'm wondering: can I plant the seeds removed from raspberries for
producing
new vines? Any recommendations on how to do so in terms of soil, plant
food,
etc?

Sure, but a couple of considerations, and some of it depends on
how hard you want to work at it.

1) It may not be the fastest way to propagate. You can lay the
canes down and bury parts of them and they will root where buried.
Not having a robust root system developed, seedlings will likely
take a couple years longer to fruit. Not that the cane method is
without drawbacks - in some areas there is a virus (rust) that kills
the plant and will spread rapidly through connecting canes. You
could cut the connecting canes and/or transplant, or maybe there is
a spray for it, all of which are extra work.

2) If your berries are selective-bred commercial hybrids, you may
get anything but what you expected from seed. Wild varieties should
breed pretty true, however.

In my experience, they are not very picky about soil - I have to
pull seedlings from the gravel in my driveway every year. In the
wild, propagation is by animal droppings or by simply falling off
the vine if nothing eats them. Of course nothing likes hard clay,
but anything crumbly might work, and I would think they should
absolutely thrive with a bit of compost or manure. They tend to
be shallow-rooted, so you probably don't need to bury the seeds
very much if at all.

My own propagation methods are very much labor un-intensive - I eat
a few as I pick and spit seeds in the direction where I think I would
like to see more berries grow. Maybe throw a whole berry a bit deeper
into the brush here and there as I go. Been doing this way for about
6 years now and it's starting to pay off with better crops the last 2.
But that's just my style - I prefer minimal/sustainable.

Aye, ol'Duffer. Like that style!

When ( rarely) I take on the task of fertilizing cane-berries, I just use
composted stable waste.. neighbors have it in quantity and I have permission
to take as much as I want. ]

I cut down the canes that fruited last. I find I can do this here in
Western Maine as early in the spring as I care to be out there.. a
function of having to be insulated well from thorns. Old clothes,
substantial gloves, heavy soled shoes, and a lopper that is quite sharp.

You'll know the old canes from the new canes by the appearance of the bark
on the canes-- old canes will be dull in appearance and usually have some
crispy/crumbly bark, maybe evidence of the old fruiting scapes. New canes
are brighter, the bark is tight and fresh. It won't matter a whit if you
take some new canes with the old, what you are doing is renewing the patch.

Cut out the old canes and take some of the new ones if you find the bed
crowded, your yield on strong, healthy new canes will pay off, as will ease
of picking. There are only 2 kinds of canes in your berry patch in Early
Spring ( and I mean EARLY-- this is before new growth)-- spent canes that
will not fruit, and "floricanes" that will produce your next crop.

Once you've cut, lay on the composted manure/stable waste, or some REALLY
CHEAP granular 5-5-5. The Berry Patch is not the place for bark mulch or
home compost unless it is your ONLY crop, or you are doing a PYO
farm..... these berries will do well with cheap stuff.

What will happen is that the Floricanes for the next crop will love their
space, sunlight and room, they will set fruit more heavily , that fruit will
be larger and easier to pick ( greater yield) and they will in turn send up
strong replacement Floricanes for the following years crop.

Lazy b**ch that I am, I typically make the effort in
the berries about every 3 years.

And since I am short of stature, I will "TRY" to go thru the bed at
flowering time and lop off anything in flower
that is taller than I want to stretch to reach. This puts all the yield
in my reach, pleases the bees who pollinate, results in larger berries on
shorter canes, and tells the mother plants to put up MORE canes.

Cane fruits are exceedingly willing to propogate via root stolons/offsets,
and equally agreeable to putting up new growth from seed or stem pieces.

What-ever you do will not be wrong until you think .. gee... my yield is
declining, I guess I better go out there and pay attention.

Yes there is a virus/rust that affects all cane-bearing fruits. We've
had good luck over 20 years by isolating affected areas and making the
affected areas a controlled burn pile. YMMV, we havent eradicated it but
we have slowed it.

One can bring a tangle of berries into submission.

Sue
Western Maine