"Carl 1 Lucky Texan" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter wrote:

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Doug Kanter wrote:

"Arman" wrote in message
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I have had moderate amount of success with my potted garden but now my
dogs have gone and dug them up. i've managed to salvage about 6 of them
but the casualties of war ran up quite high this time. 6 broken pots
and
20 dead plants later, i've resorted to tie-ins and crating but i would
love any idea that would make my potted plants unappetising and
unappealing to my dogs.

i've been toying with the idea of burying barb wires around the outer
perimeter of my pots. would that help? has anyone tried this before?

any ideas are most welcome. i love my dogs and i love my flowering
plants, so i would like to find a solution that allows them to co-exist
peacefully.

thank you all,
arman.


A short list of living things were complete mistakes. Dogs, mosquitoes
and viruses. You're wondering how to make your dog behave acceptably?
You've got to be kidding. Do the world a favor and slit it throat.

add trolls to the list

Carl


This is not a troll. You've been trained by your dog. With help, you can
get your mind back. It'll be a long road, though. Good luck.

Don't you feel suggesting someone slit their dog's throat seemed harsh?

No, not harsh at all. Like child molesters, dogs have no place in a polite
society. Perhaps they were designed to live in packs, in the woods, and
clean up rotting dead animal flesh, much like maggots. But, they don't
belong anywhere near human populations.


I apologize for the troll remark if I misunderstood.

Apology accepted.

No question folks sometimes do get trained by their dogs, ats and other
pet's behaviors. Once you realize what the animal's motivations are, you
have half the battle won.

Carl

All animals have characteristics which are unchangeable. For instance, if
you step into a tiger's cage, it is assumed that you want to die, because
the vast majority of the time, a tiger will kill you if you stop by for a
visit. Dogs are the same way. You can assume certain things about them. Make
a list of 10 possible things an unattended dog might do, and if 9 of those
things are stupid, destructive or annoying, you can bet a year's pay that
the dog will choose one or more of those 9 things 100% of the time. The only
acceptable thing it might do is sleep. The other 9 include such delights as
crapping on the rug, crapping specifically where innocent people need to
walk, barking until the police arrive, biting someone, chewing furniture,
wrapping their leashes around trees until they're choking (a good thing,
actually, but still stupid), digging in neighbors' gardens.

what are you doing in my thread? if you don't have any valid suggestions ... please go crap in your own thread. and if you aren't a troll .. i don't know who else qualifies to it !!!!

just like a child molester .. i believe you should be shot on sight !!! for animal cruelty. now go dig for trouble somewhere else.

"Arman" wrote in message
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what are you doing in my thread? if you don't have any valid
suggestions ... please go crap in your own thread. and if you aren't a
troll .. i don't know who else qualifies to it !!!!

You have an animal whose way of living involves mischief and destruction if
not watched constantly. You stated this yourself, although you don't like it
being stated a different way. Don't complain when the animal does exactly
what it's expected to do. This is like complaining that your toaster makes
your bread a darker color. It's what toasters do.

Hey guys don't waste energy discussing dogs with Doug:
he doesnt' like dogs; he's very vocal about it.......
Period.

That's OK though, we love him anyway!

Emilie
NorCal

"mleblanca" wrote in message
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Hey guys don't waste energy discussing dogs with Doug:
he doesnt' like dogs; he's very vocal about it.......
Period.

That's OK though, we love him anyway!

Emilie
NorCal


It's a waste of energy because I'm totally correct. I'm correct because I'm
good at compartmentalizing, which keeps me from being swayed by the fact
that some dogs are actually cute. This keeps my observations pure.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Arman" wrote in message
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what are you doing in my thread? if you don't have any valid
suggestions ... please go crap in your own thread. and if you aren't a
troll .. i don't know who else qualifies to it !!!!

You have an animal whose way of living involves mischief and destruction
if
not watched constantly. You stated this yourself, although you don't like
it
being stated a different way. Don't complain when the animal does exactly
what it's expected to do.

which is something dog owners take into account when owning them. Kids
destroy things and cost a shit load of money and still destroy things as
they get older (like cars, nights sleep and bank balances) but we still have
them as well.

rob

"George.com" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Arman" wrote in message
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what are you doing in my thread? if you don't have any valid
suggestions ... please go crap in your own thread. and if you aren't a
troll .. i don't know who else qualifies to it !!!!

You have an animal whose way of living involves mischief and destruction
if
not watched constantly. You stated this yourself, although you don't like
it
being stated a different way. Don't complain when the animal does exactly
what it's expected to do.

which is something dog owners take into account when owning them. Kids
destroy things and cost a shit load of money and still destroy things as
they get older (like cars, nights sleep and bank balances) but we still
have
them as well.

rob



Yeah, but as the years pass by, most kids become adults. Dogs, on the other
hand, are just as disgusting and destructive regardless of their age.

On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:30:30 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"George.com" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Arman" wrote in message
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what are you doing in my thread? if you don't have any valid
suggestions ... please go crap in your own thread. and if you aren't a
troll .. i don't know who else qualifies to it !!!!

You have an animal whose way of living involves mischief and destruction
if
not watched constantly. You stated this yourself, although you don't like
it
being stated a different way. Don't complain when the animal does exactly
what it's expected to do.

which is something dog owners take into account when owning them. Kids
destroy things and cost a shit load of money and still destroy things as
they get older (like cars, nights sleep and bank balances) but we still
have
them as well.

rob



Yeah, but as the years pass by, most kids become adults. Dogs, on the other
hand, are just as disgusting and destructive regardless of their age.

And (many) adults are not disgusting and destructive?

Persephone

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"George.com" wrote in message
...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Arman" wrote in message
...

what are you doing in my thread? if you don't have any valid
suggestions ... please go crap in your own thread. and if you aren't
a
troll .. i don't know who else qualifies to it !!!!

You have an animal whose way of living involves mischief and
destruction
if
not watched constantly. You stated this yourself, although you don't
like
it
being stated a different way. Don't complain when the animal does
exactly
what it's expected to do.

which is something dog owners take into account when owning them. Kids
destroy things and cost a shit load of money and still destroy things as
they get older (like cars, nights sleep and bank balances) but we still
have
them as well.

rob



Yeah, but as the years pass by, most kids become adults. Dogs, on the
other
hand, are just as disgusting and destructive regardless of their age.

no, both my dogs have grown more sedate with age. Even hyper active puppy
has moderated. She may still be bouncy but is knows the limits now. Older
lazy mutt was lazy as a pup but gets lazier with age.

As it is, some destructive kids grow into even more vile adults. We have
things called prisons for them.

rob

Doug Kanter wrote:

"Carl 1 Lucky Texan" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter wrote:


"Carl 1 Lucky Texan" wrote in message
gy.net...


Doug Kanter wrote:


"Arman" wrote in message
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I have had moderate amount of success with my potted garden but now my
dogs have gone and dug them up. i've managed to salvage about 6 of them
but the casualties of war ran up quite high this time. 6 broken pots
and
20 dead plants later, i've resorted to tie-ins and crating but i would
love any idea that would make my potted plants unappetising and
unappealing to my dogs.

i've been toying with the idea of burying barb wires around the outer
perimeter of my pots. would that help? has anyone tried this before?

any ideas are most welcome. i love my dogs and i love my flowering
plants, so i would like to find a solution that allows them to co-exist
peacefully.

thank you all,
arman.


A short list of living things were complete mistakes. Dogs, mosquitoes
and viruses. You're wondering how to make your dog behave acceptably?
You've got to be kidding. Do the world a favor and slit it throat.

add trolls to the list

Carl


This is not a troll. You've been trained by your dog. With help, you can
get your mind back. It'll be a long road, though. Good luck.

Don't you feel suggesting someone slit their dog's throat seemed harsh?


No, not harsh at all. Like child molesters, dogs have no place in a polite
society. Perhaps they were designed to live in packs, in the woods, and
clean up rotting dead animal flesh, much like maggots. But, they don't
belong anywhere near human populations.



I apologize for the troll remark if I misunderstood.


Apology accepted.


No question folks sometimes do get trained by their dogs, ats and other
pet's behaviors. Once you realize what the animal's motivations are, you
have half the battle won.

Carl


All animals have characteristics which are unchangeable. For instance, if
you step into a tiger's cage, it is assumed that you want to die, because
the vast majority of the time, a tiger will kill you if you stop by for a
visit. Dogs are the same way. You can assume certain things about them. Make
a list of 10 possible things an unattended dog might do, and if 9 of those
things are stupid, destructive or annoying, you can bet a year's pay that
the dog will choose one or more of those 9 things 100% of the time. The only
acceptable thing it might do is sleep. The other 9 include such delights as
crapping on the rug, crapping specifically where innocent people need to
walk, barking until the police arrive, biting someone, chewing furniture,
wrapping their leashes around trees until they're choking (a good thing,
actually, but still stupid), digging in neighbors' gardens.


Well,I think we will have to agree to disagree. many people have found
the 'cost/benefit' ratio of keeping 'domesticated' animals (which the
dogs we speak of are) satisfactory. And humans have found that true for
10s of thousands of years. Certainly one could focus on the negative
aspect of cars, computers and even family members. Doesn't meant they
have no place in our lives. Whether its securing property, searching for
criminals or explosives or avalanche victims, or just helping to ward
off loneliness as a companion, they can be quite useful. Of course, as
you allude to, one should educate oneself as to the 'nature' of dogs
before associating with them. They are like retarded children in many
ways but clearly many can be kept without the problems you mention and
without destroying gardens.

You can have the last word. This seems off topic now.

Carl


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Doug Kanter wrote:

"Carl 1 Lucky Texan" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter wrote:


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Doug Kanter wrote:


"Arman" wrote in message
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I have had moderate amount of success with my potted garden but now
my
dogs have gone and dug them up. i've managed to salvage about 6 of
them
but the casualties of war ran up quite high this time. 6 broken pots
and
20 dead plants later, i've resorted to tie-ins and crating but i
would
love any idea that would make my potted plants unappetising and
unappealing to my dogs.

i've been toying with the idea of burying barb wires around the outer
perimeter of my pots. would that help? has anyone tried this before?

any ideas are most welcome. i love my dogs and i love my flowering
plants, so i would like to find a solution that allows them to
co-exist
peacefully.

thank you all,
arman.


A short list of living things were complete mistakes. Dogs, mosquitoes
and viruses. You're wondering how to make your dog behave acceptably?
You've got to be kidding. Do the world a favor and slit it throat.

add trolls to the list

Carl


This is not a troll. You've been trained by your dog. With help, you can
get your mind back. It'll be a long road, though. Good luck.

Don't you feel suggesting someone slit their dog's throat seemed harsh?


No, not harsh at all. Like child molesters, dogs have no place in a
polite society. Perhaps they were designed to live in packs, in the
woods, and clean up rotting dead animal flesh, much like maggots. But,
they don't belong anywhere near human populations.



I apologize for the troll remark if I misunderstood.


Apology accepted.


No question folks sometimes do get trained by their dogs, ats and other
pet's behaviors. Once you realize what the animal's motivations are, you
have half the battle won.

Carl


All animals have characteristics which are unchangeable. For instance, if
you step into a tiger's cage, it is assumed that you want to die, because
the vast majority of the time, a tiger will kill you if you stop by for a
visit. Dogs are the same way. You can assume certain things about them.
Make a list of 10 possible things an unattended dog might do, and if 9 of
those things are stupid, destructive or annoying, you can bet a year's
pay that the dog will choose one or more of those 9 things 100% of the
time. The only acceptable thing it might do is sleep. The other 9 include
such delights as crapping on the rug, crapping specifically where
innocent people need to walk, barking until the police arrive, biting
someone, chewing furniture, wrapping their leashes around trees until
they're choking (a good thing, actually, but still stupid), digging in
neighbors' gardens.
Well,I think we will have to agree to disagree. many people have found the
'cost/benefit' ratio of keeping 'domesticated' animals (which the dogs we
speak of are) satisfactory. And humans have found that true for 10s of
thousands of years. Certainly one could focus on the negative aspect of
cars, computers and even family members. Doesn't meant they have no place
in our lives. Whether its securing property, searching for criminals or
explosives or avalanche victims, or just helping to ward off loneliness as
a companion, they can be quite useful. Of course, as you allude to, one
should educate oneself as to the 'nature' of dogs before associating with
them. They are like retarded children in many ways but clearly many can be
kept without the problems you mention and without destroying gardens.

You can have the last word. This seems off topic now.

Carl

http://www.dec.state.ny.us/website/d...ife/damage.htm

Depending on what kind of attitude a dog owner has when standing in front of
a judge, "wildlife" has been interpreted to include stray dogs, and "farm" &
"cultivated" have been interpreted to mean "your neighbor's 20x20 foot
vegetable garden".

"Doug Kanter" wrote in
:

Dogs are the same way. You can assume certain things about
them. Make a list of 10 possible things an unattended dog
might do, and if 9 of those things are stupid, destructive
or annoying, you can bet a year's pay that the dog will
choose one or more of those 9 things 100% of the time. The
only acceptable thing it might do is sleep. The other 9
include such delights as crapping on the rug, crapping
specifically where innocent people need to walk, barking
until the police arrive, biting someone, chewing furniture,
wrapping their leashes around trees until they're choking
(a good thing, actually, but still stupid), digging in
neighbors' gardens.

i realize your neighbors are idiots & have badly trained
dogs, but not all, or even most, dogs are like that. really.
i'm NOT a dog person, but 99% of problem dogs are stupid
owners... not only that, but most of those problem dogs could
fairly easily be retrained to be good dogs if thier owners
cared.
i have neighbors with barky dogs (fortunately they're 1/4
mile away). i *did* have a newbie ex-city neighbor who let his
dog roam, but the application of a $500 fine stopped that
pretty quick...(or said dog was about to meet my .22).
the problem is stupid humans, not the dogs.
lee
--
war is peace
freedom is slavery
ignorance is strength
1984-George Orwell

"enigma" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in
:

Dogs are the same way. You can assume certain things about
them. Make a list of 10 possible things an unattended dog
might do, and if 9 of those things are stupid, destructive
or annoying, you can bet a year's pay that the dog will
choose one or more of those 9 things 100% of the time. The
only acceptable thing it might do is sleep. The other 9
include such delights as crapping on the rug, crapping
specifically where innocent people need to walk, barking
until the police arrive, biting someone, chewing furniture,
wrapping their leashes around trees until they're choking
(a good thing, actually, but still stupid), digging in
neighbors' gardens.

i realize your neighbors are idiots & have badly trained
dogs, but not all, or even most, dogs are like that. really.
i'm NOT a dog person, but 99% of problem dogs are stupid
owners... not only that, but most of those problem dogs could
fairly easily be retrained to be good dogs if thier owners
cared.

Well, that's mostly correct. Too many owners have those stupid extendable
leash things, and let their dogs run 30 feet into other peoples' property,
which often means "right in the flower beds". I ask them politely to not let
their dogs stop in my yard in the future, and they say "Well...I'm gonna
clean it up". Ummm...no. The dog just ****ed on my flower bed, and I'm 2
minutes away from wanting to work with my hands in that very spot. And, even
if they clean up the crap, the scent remains and attracts stray dogs,
something I've observed for over 25 years. So, the only acceptable response,
when I tell them to do it elsewhere, is "Yes. OK." But, as I've mentioned
elsewhere, dogs train humans to do what's convenient, not what's
considerate, intelligent and legal.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"enigma" wrote in message
. ..
"Doug Kanter" wrote in
:

Dogs are the same way. You can assume certain things about
them. Make a list of 10 possible things an unattended dog
might do, and if 9 of those things are stupid, destructive
or annoying, you can bet a year's pay that the dog will
choose one or more of those 9 things 100% of the time. The
only acceptable thing it might do is sleep. The other 9
include such delights as crapping on the rug, crapping
specifically where innocent people need to walk, barking
until the police arrive, biting someone, chewing furniture,
wrapping their leashes around trees until they're choking
(a good thing, actually, but still stupid), digging in
neighbors' gardens.

i realize your neighbors are idiots & have badly trained
dogs, but not all, or even most, dogs are like that. really.
i'm NOT a dog person, but 99% of problem dogs are stupid
owners... not only that, but most of those problem dogs could
fairly easily be retrained to be good dogs if thier owners
cared.

Well, that's mostly correct. Too many owners have those stupid extendable
leash things, and let their dogs run 30 feet into other peoples' property,
which often means "right in the flower beds". I ask them politely to not
let
their dogs stop in my yard in the future, and they say "Well...I'm gonna
clean it up". Ummm...no. The dog just ****ed on my flower bed, and I'm 2
minutes away from wanting to work with my hands in that very spot.

wear gloves, end of problem.

And, even
if they clean up the crap, the scent remains and attracts stray dogs,
something I've observed for over 25 years. So, the only acceptable
response,
when I tell them to do it elsewhere, is "Yes. OK." But, as I've mentioned
elsewhere, dogs train humans to do what's convenient

like wearing gardening gloves

rob

"George.com" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"enigma" wrote in message
. ..
"Doug Kanter" wrote in
:

Dogs are the same way. You can assume certain things about
them. Make a list of 10 possible things an unattended dog
might do, and if 9 of those things are stupid, destructive
or annoying, you can bet a year's pay that the dog will
choose one or more of those 9 things 100% of the time. The
only acceptable thing it might do is sleep. The other 9
include such delights as crapping on the rug, crapping
specifically where innocent people need to walk, barking
until the police arrive, biting someone, chewing furniture,
wrapping their leashes around trees until they're choking
(a good thing, actually, but still stupid), digging in
neighbors' gardens.

i realize your neighbors are idiots & have badly trained
dogs, but not all, or even most, dogs are like that. really.
i'm NOT a dog person, but 99% of problem dogs are stupid
owners... not only that, but most of those problem dogs could
fairly easily be retrained to be good dogs if thier owners
cared.

Well, that's mostly correct. Too many owners have those stupid extendable
leash things, and let their dogs run 30 feet into other peoples'
property,
which often means "right in the flower beds". I ask them politely to not
let
their dogs stop in my yard in the future, and they say "Well...I'm gonna
clean it up". Ummm...no. The dog just ****ed on my flower bed, and I'm 2
minutes away from wanting to work with my hands in that very spot.

wear gloves, end of problem.

And, even
if they clean up the crap, the scent remains and attracts stray dogs,
something I've observed for over 25 years. So, the only acceptable
response,
when I tell them to do it elsewhere, is "Yes. OK." But, as I've
mentioned
elsewhere, dogs train humans to do what's convenient

like wearing gardening gloves

rob




You said I should wear gloves. Do you understand that by saying that, you've
stepped into a logical and legal quagmire, and that a judge would lead your
around his/her courtroom by the nose until you confessed to being silly?
Here's what the judge would probably ask you to think about. You notice some
noise outside your house. You step outside and see someone spray painting
words on your house in day-glo orange. While your wife's calling the cops,
you restrain the guy and ask him what the hell he thinks he's doing. He says
"Wear a blindfold, or stay inside and don't look".

When the police arrive, what would you expect them to do? How would you
expect all of it to proceed, from start to finish? Most important, which
basic law was broken when the person spray painted your house? Hint: The law
is basically the same everywhere in the United States, Canada, and most of
Europe.