Doug Kanter wrote:

"Carl 1 Lucky Texan" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter wrote:


"Carl 1 Lucky Texan" wrote in message
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"Arman" wrote in message
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I have had moderate amount of success with my potted garden but now my
dogs have gone and dug them up. i've managed to salvage about 6 of them
but the casualties of war ran up quite high this time. 6 broken pots
and
20 dead plants later, i've resorted to tie-ins and crating but i would
love any idea that would make my potted plants unappetising and
unappealing to my dogs.

i've been toying with the idea of burying barb wires around the outer
perimeter of my pots. would that help? has anyone tried this before?

any ideas are most welcome. i love my dogs and i love my flowering
plants, so i would like to find a solution that allows them to co-exist
peacefully.

thank you all,
arman.


A short list of living things were complete mistakes. Dogs, mosquitoes
and viruses. You're wondering how to make your dog behave acceptably?
You've got to be kidding. Do the world a favor and slit it throat.

add trolls to the list

Carl


This is not a troll. You've been trained by your dog. With help, you can
get your mind back. It'll be a long road, though. Good luck.

Don't you feel suggesting someone slit their dog's throat seemed harsh?


No, not harsh at all. Like child molesters, dogs have no place in a polite
society. Perhaps they were designed to live in packs, in the woods, and
clean up rotting dead animal flesh, much like maggots. But, they don't
belong anywhere near human populations.



I apologize for the troll remark if I misunderstood.


Apology accepted.


No question folks sometimes do get trained by their dogs, ats and other
pet's behaviors. Once you realize what the animal's motivations are, you
have half the battle won.

Carl


All animals have characteristics which are unchangeable. For instance, if
you step into a tiger's cage, it is assumed that you want to die, because
the vast majority of the time, a tiger will kill you if you stop by for a
visit. Dogs are the same way. You can assume certain things about them. Make
a list of 10 possible things an unattended dog might do, and if 9 of those
things are stupid, destructive or annoying, you can bet a year's pay that
the dog will choose one or more of those 9 things 100% of the time. The only
acceptable thing it might do is sleep. The other 9 include such delights as
crapping on the rug, crapping specifically where innocent people need to
walk, barking until the police arrive, biting someone, chewing furniture,
wrapping their leashes around trees until they're choking (a good thing,
actually, but still stupid), digging in neighbors' gardens.


Well,I think we will have to agree to disagree. many people have found
the 'cost/benefit' ratio of keeping 'domesticated' animals (which the
dogs we speak of are) satisfactory. And humans have found that true for
10s of thousands of years. Certainly one could focus on the negative
aspect of cars, computers and even family members. Doesn't meant they
have no place in our lives. Whether its securing property, searching for
criminals or explosives or avalanche victims, or just helping to ward
off loneliness as a companion, they can be quite useful. Of course, as
you allude to, one should educate oneself as to the 'nature' of dogs
before associating with them. They are like retarded children in many
ways but clearly many can be kept without the problems you mention and
without destroying gardens.

You can have the last word. This seems off topic now.

Carl


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"Arman" wrote in message
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I have had moderate amount of success with my potted garden but now
my
dogs have gone and dug them up. i've managed to salvage about 6 of
them
but the casualties of war ran up quite high this time. 6 broken pots
and
20 dead plants later, i've resorted to tie-ins and crating but i
would
love any idea that would make my potted plants unappetising and
unappealing to my dogs.

i've been toying with the idea of burying barb wires around the outer
perimeter of my pots. would that help? has anyone tried this before?

any ideas are most welcome. i love my dogs and i love my flowering
plants, so i would like to find a solution that allows them to
co-exist
peacefully.

thank you all,
arman.


A short list of living things were complete mistakes. Dogs, mosquitoes
and viruses. You're wondering how to make your dog behave acceptably?
You've got to be kidding. Do the world a favor and slit it throat.

add trolls to the list

Carl


This is not a troll. You've been trained by your dog. With help, you can
get your mind back. It'll be a long road, though. Good luck.

Don't you feel suggesting someone slit their dog's throat seemed harsh?


No, not harsh at all. Like child molesters, dogs have no place in a
polite society. Perhaps they were designed to live in packs, in the
woods, and clean up rotting dead animal flesh, much like maggots. But,
they don't belong anywhere near human populations.



I apologize for the troll remark if I misunderstood.


Apology accepted.


No question folks sometimes do get trained by their dogs, ats and other
pet's behaviors. Once you realize what the animal's motivations are, you
have half the battle won.

Carl


All animals have characteristics which are unchangeable. For instance, if
you step into a tiger's cage, it is assumed that you want to die, because
the vast majority of the time, a tiger will kill you if you stop by for a
visit. Dogs are the same way. You can assume certain things about them.
Make a list of 10 possible things an unattended dog might do, and if 9 of
those things are stupid, destructive or annoying, you can bet a year's
pay that the dog will choose one or more of those 9 things 100% of the
time. The only acceptable thing it might do is sleep. The other 9 include
such delights as crapping on the rug, crapping specifically where
innocent people need to walk, barking until the police arrive, biting
someone, chewing furniture, wrapping their leashes around trees until
they're choking (a good thing, actually, but still stupid), digging in
neighbors' gardens.
Well,I think we will have to agree to disagree. many people have found the
'cost/benefit' ratio of keeping 'domesticated' animals (which the dogs we
speak of are) satisfactory. And humans have found that true for 10s of
thousands of years. Certainly one could focus on the negative aspect of
cars, computers and even family members. Doesn't meant they have no place
in our lives. Whether its securing property, searching for criminals or
explosives or avalanche victims, or just helping to ward off loneliness as
a companion, they can be quite useful. Of course, as you allude to, one
should educate oneself as to the 'nature' of dogs before associating with
them. They are like retarded children in many ways but clearly many can be
kept without the problems you mention and without destroying gardens.

You can have the last word. This seems off topic now.

Carl

http://www.dec.state.ny.us/website/d...ife/damage.htm

Depending on what kind of attitude a dog owner has when standing in front of
a judge, "wildlife" has been interpreted to include stray dogs, and "farm" &
"cultivated" have been interpreted to mean "your neighbor's 20x20 foot
vegetable garden".

"Arman" wrote in message
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what are you doing in my thread? if you don't have any valid
suggestions ... please go crap in your own thread. and if you aren't a
troll .. i don't know who else qualifies to it !!!!

You have an animal whose way of living involves mischief and destruction if
not watched constantly. You stated this yourself, although you don't like it
being stated a different way. Don't complain when the animal does exactly
what it's expected to do. This is like complaining that your toaster makes
your bread a darker color. It's what toasters do.

"Arman" wrote in message
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Oren Wrote:
On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 05:35:26 +0000, Arman

Try:

1 tbs cayenne pepper
1 tbs garlic powder
1-2 drops of liquid dish soap
2 cups water

Mix in spray bottle, spray around the area. Re-apply after rain.

OR

2 tsp hot sauce
2 crushed cloves
2 tsp liquid dish soap
3 cups water

Mix in spray bottle, spray around the area. Re-apply after rain.

I've used this method to keep dogs from "shittin'" on the lawn. It
won't hurt a lawn and I suspect not your flowers.

Oren


Hi Oren & others who have made some valid suggestions,

Thank you!!!!!

I am going to try the moth ball and this spray suggestion and see how
it goes. Trouble is where I live, its hot ... real hot .. so i have to
water my plants twice a day so they won't wilt. will the moth ball hurt
the plants? also how safe is it in vege containers? right now i am
growing varieties of lettuce, leafy veges (spinach) and beans, is it
safe to keep moth ball in those containers?

Moth balls have absolutely no business being in or near edible plants. Since
you don't like my comments about dogs, you probably won't believe me, so you
might want to call your local poison control center and ask them about it.

that is what the dog whisperer says.... dogs need an hour walk per day. just letting
them out into the back yard doesnt do it for them. Ingrid

"George.com" wrote:
yes, you may be very correct. I windered whether it was a symptom of being
bored perhaps. Dogs need stimulation and the digging may be a reaction to
lack of activities.


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dont use moth balls anywhere outside. they are very very toxic.
yes, the ground up egg shells would be doing it. my dogs eat raw eggs shell and all.
dont use blood or bone meal either. and fish or seaweed might temp them too.
you might want to try superslurp... those crystals that hold a lot of water so you
dont have to water every day.
Ingrid

Arman wrote:
I am going to try the moth ball

i like using organic fertiliser, so some i mulch and i also use tea
leaves and grounded up egg shells, could they be attracting the dogs?

rob, you might have a point abt the dogs being bored. i train and show
dogs but recently i've been so busy between work, my toddler, my
evening classes at the university and a bunch of house guests who show
sign of leaving that i have actually neglected my dogs quite a bit. so
like someone here said, now that i've realised that they are bored,
maybe doing something abt that will help get them off my plants.
hmmm... !!



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"Doug Kanter" wrote in
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Dogs are the same way. You can assume certain things about
them. Make a list of 10 possible things an unattended dog
might do, and if 9 of those things are stupid, destructive
or annoying, you can bet a year's pay that the dog will
choose one or more of those 9 things 100% of the time. The
only acceptable thing it might do is sleep. The other 9
include such delights as crapping on the rug, crapping
specifically where innocent people need to walk, barking
until the police arrive, biting someone, chewing furniture,
wrapping their leashes around trees until they're choking
(a good thing, actually, but still stupid), digging in
neighbors' gardens.

i realize your neighbors are idiots & have badly trained
dogs, but not all, or even most, dogs are like that. really.
i'm NOT a dog person, but 99% of problem dogs are stupid
owners... not only that, but most of those problem dogs could
fairly easily be retrained to be good dogs if thier owners
cared.
i have neighbors with barky dogs (fortunately they're 1/4
mile away). i *did* have a newbie ex-city neighbor who let his
dog roam, but the application of a $500 fine stopped that
pretty quick...(or said dog was about to meet my .22).
the problem is stupid humans, not the dogs.
lee
--
war is peace
freedom is slavery
ignorance is strength
1984-George Orwell

Arman wrote in
:
Hi Oren & others who have made some valid suggestions,

Thank you!!!!!

I am going to try the moth ball and this spray suggestion
and see how it goes. Trouble is where I live, its hot ...
real hot .. so i have to water my plants twice a day so
they won't wilt. will the moth ball hurt the plants? also
how safe is it in vege containers? right now i am growing
varieties of lettuce, leafy veges (spinach) and beans, is
it safe to keep moth ball in those containers?

i like using organic fertiliser, so some i mulch and i also
use tea leaves and grounded up egg shells, could they be
attracting the dogs?

rob, you might have a point abt the dogs being bored. i
train and show dogs but recently i've been so busy between
work, my toddler, my evening classes at the university and
a bunch of house guests who show sign of leaving that i
have actually neglected my dogs quite a bit. so like
someone here said, now that i've realised that they are
bored, maybe doing something abt that will help get them
off my plants. hmmm... !!

you have a toddler? forget the mothballs!!! you shouldn't use
them in near food anyway, but they're VERY toxic (and very
attractive to toddlers).
i strongly suspect doggy boredom, so try taking care of that
first. if the plant pots are not very accessable to the child,
you might try a solar powered electric fence around them. my
son knew all about electric fences at 2, so if you can explain
not touching the wires, your child should be ok.
oh, you could possibly use an invisble fence to keep the dogs
out too... i just use electric fence for my dogs because thier
play area is fed off my pasture fencing.
lee
--
war is peace
freedom is slavery
ignorance is strength
1984-George Orwell

"enigma" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in
:

Dogs are the same way. You can assume certain things about
them. Make a list of 10 possible things an unattended dog
might do, and if 9 of those things are stupid, destructive
or annoying, you can bet a year's pay that the dog will
choose one or more of those 9 things 100% of the time. The
only acceptable thing it might do is sleep. The other 9
include such delights as crapping on the rug, crapping
specifically where innocent people need to walk, barking
until the police arrive, biting someone, chewing furniture,
wrapping their leashes around trees until they're choking
(a good thing, actually, but still stupid), digging in
neighbors' gardens.

i realize your neighbors are idiots & have badly trained
dogs, but not all, or even most, dogs are like that. really.
i'm NOT a dog person, but 99% of problem dogs are stupid
owners... not only that, but most of those problem dogs could
fairly easily be retrained to be good dogs if thier owners
cared.

Well, that's mostly correct. Too many owners have those stupid extendable
leash things, and let their dogs run 30 feet into other peoples' property,
which often means "right in the flower beds". I ask them politely to not let
their dogs stop in my yard in the future, and they say "Well...I'm gonna
clean it up". Ummm...no. The dog just ****ed on my flower bed, and I'm 2
minutes away from wanting to work with my hands in that very spot. And, even
if they clean up the crap, the scent remains and attracts stray dogs,
something I've observed for over 25 years. So, the only acceptable response,
when I tell them to do it elsewhere, is "Yes. OK." But, as I've mentioned
elsewhere, dogs train humans to do what's convenient, not what's
considerate, intelligent and legal.

wrote:
sigh. it is a training thing. put a leash on them. walk them up to the plant,
point to it, yell no and haul them away.

This is not good, teaching them it's bad to follow your lead. Try
mouse traps, immediate and virtually harmless reinforcement.

Hey guys don't waste energy discussing dogs with Doug:
he doesnt' like dogs; he's very vocal about it.......
Period.

That's OK though, we love him anyway!

Emilie
NorCal

"mleblanca" wrote in message
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Hey guys don't waste energy discussing dogs with Doug:
he doesnt' like dogs; he's very vocal about it.......
Period.

That's OK though, we love him anyway!

Emilie
NorCal


It's a waste of energy because I'm totally correct. I'm correct because I'm
good at compartmentalizing, which keeps me from being swayed by the fact
that some dogs are actually cute. This keeps my observations pure.

Hi lee,

thank you for the suggestion. my skin kid is now 1.5 yrs old and my fur kids are now 4 yrs old, so i guess the mothballs are out. where did u get ur fence? how much did it cost to get it installed?

thanks again,
arman.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Arman" wrote in message
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what are you doing in my thread? if you don't have any valid
suggestions ... please go crap in your own thread. and if you aren't a
troll .. i don't know who else qualifies to it !!!!

You have an animal whose way of living involves mischief and destruction
if
not watched constantly. You stated this yourself, although you don't like
it
being stated a different way. Don't complain when the animal does exactly
what it's expected to do.

which is something dog owners take into account when owning them. Kids
destroy things and cost a shit load of money and still destroy things as
they get older (like cars, nights sleep and bank balances) but we still have
them as well.

rob

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"enigma" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in
:

Dogs are the same way. You can assume certain things about
them. Make a list of 10 possible things an unattended dog
might do, and if 9 of those things are stupid, destructive
or annoying, you can bet a year's pay that the dog will
choose one or more of those 9 things 100% of the time. The
only acceptable thing it might do is sleep. The other 9
include such delights as crapping on the rug, crapping
specifically where innocent people need to walk, barking
until the police arrive, biting someone, chewing furniture,
wrapping their leashes around trees until they're choking
(a good thing, actually, but still stupid), digging in
neighbors' gardens.

i realize your neighbors are idiots & have badly trained
dogs, but not all, or even most, dogs are like that. really.
i'm NOT a dog person, but 99% of problem dogs are stupid
owners... not only that, but most of those problem dogs could
fairly easily be retrained to be good dogs if thier owners
cared.

Well, that's mostly correct. Too many owners have those stupid extendable
leash things, and let their dogs run 30 feet into other peoples' property,
which often means "right in the flower beds". I ask them politely to not
let
their dogs stop in my yard in the future, and they say "Well...I'm gonna
clean it up". Ummm...no. The dog just ****ed on my flower bed, and I'm 2
minutes away from wanting to work with my hands in that very spot.

wear gloves, end of problem.

And, even
if they clean up the crap, the scent remains and attracts stray dogs,
something I've observed for over 25 years. So, the only acceptable
response,
when I tell them to do it elsewhere, is "Yes. OK." But, as I've mentioned
elsewhere, dogs train humans to do what's convenient

like wearing gardening gloves

rob