Billy wrote:

In article ,
sherwindu wrote:


John McCain is one of the bravest, giving, and honorable men ever to
have served his country. He is deserving of the highest levels of
respect.People of good intent my not want him to be president, based on
political views, but that does not detract from his lifetime of
dedication to his heritage and nation.

cheers

I am one lifetime Democrat, who will vote for McCain.

I agree most heartedly. McCain is running on the Republican ticket,
but he is truly an Independent, who is not tied to party dictates, as are
the other candidates. He has a track record to prove his independence.
Pulling out of Iraq without stabilizing the area is one of the worst
things
we can do. Until we can free ourselves from the dependency on oil
(and that will not happen overnight), we need to keep that region safe
from certain factions who are trying to unstablize the Western world. It
is true that there have not been any more terror attacks on the scale of
9/11, but if these crazies get a hold of the oil and the revenue it brings
in,
they will have the capability to do lots more damage. We are still seeing
terror attacks in Europe and Asia, so the terrorist threat is not gone.

True, we are continuing to lose troops in Iraq, but putting things in
perspective, we lost almost as many troops in one day (D-Day), than we
have
lost
in the entire Iraq war. In those days, we did not see the daily names of
soldiers
and sailors lost in WWII because of lack of modern communications and
concerns for support of the war. Now we see daily reports of every single
causualty on our TV's. It keeps the TV networks and newspapers in
business,
but does little to support our troops.

Sherwin

So if we didn't know how we were lied to and cheated and, didn't know
what was going on, we would be in a better position to support our
children who patriotically answered our nation's call?

Hey Billy Goat,

Do you have any children in Iraq? I doubt it. Point is, we are not supporting

our troops in Iraq by undermining them with reports of casualties there. If
you
ask the troops over there, most of them want to stay and get the job done.

But then again,
Doo Doo is a crazed, bigoted Zionist (god, I hate being redundant) whose
first allegiance seems to be to Israel.

What have you done to support this country? Have you served in the U.S.
military? I did.
You like to stick labels on people. I see no conflict between supporting Israel
and the
USA at the same time. Is your first allegiance to the Palestinians?

Sherwin



Bring our boys and girls home NOW.

So we can send them back again to clean up the mess we left.

Billy wrote:

In article
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Billy wrote:

In article
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Billy wrote:
Sorry, I tried to take it out of the group but forgot the header in my
enthusiasm. I'll trim it in the future.

I seem to be in a groove. That should be the last screw-up for awhile.
--

Billy

Promises, promises .....

Sherwin

Billy wrote:

So if we didn't know how we were lied to and cheated and, didn't know
what was going on, we would be in a better position to support our
children who patriotically answered our nation's call?

What's lying and cheating got to do with it? You think we approved the war
because of lies? We approved the war for the opportunity to kill Islamic
Extremists.


But then again,
Doo Doo is a crazed, bigoted Zionist (god, I hate being redundant)
whose first allegiance seems to be to Israel.

We need Israel. Israel can field 18 divisions of infantry and armor on 72
hours notice. This is a 50% larger force than the authorized strength of the
U.S. ground military (10 Army and 2 Marine divisions).

Israel can deploy 625,000 troops, engaged in combat, on three fronts, in
three days with the first quarter-million coming on line in 24 hours. Israel
can fight a sustained war without significant resupply for 30 days - the
best endurance that NATO ever achieved when facing the Soviets was ten days.


Bring our boys and girls home NOW.

Why? These are our warrior class. They exist to kill and blow things up.
They fight for honor, family, home, and glory. Now you've got to ask
yourself just one question: do you want them over there, or roaming our
cities over here?

HeyBub wrote
Billy wrote

So if we didn't know how we were lied to and cheated and, didn't know what was going on, we would be in a better
position to support our children who patriotically answered our nation's call?

What's lying and cheating got to do with it? You think we approved the war because of lies? We approved the war for
the opportunity to kill Islamic Extremists.

Pity saddam wasnt even that. Neither was his regime.

But then again, Doo Doo is a crazed, bigoted Zionist (god, I hate being redundant) whose first allegiance seems to be
to Israel.

We need Israel.

Nope, it wouldnt matter a damn if the ragheads wiped it out completely.

Israel can field 18 divisions of infantry and armor on 72 hours notice.

In fact steps were taken to keep them out of the first Gulf War, because if
they had got involved, all the other middle eastern countrys wouldnt have got
involved and there wouldnt have been anywhere like Saudi to operate from.

It wouldnt have been possible to kick Saddam out of Kuwait from Isreal.

This is a 50% larger force than the authorized strength of the U.S. ground military (10 Army and 2 Marine divisions).

It aint about grunts in boots anymore.

Israel can deploy 625,000 troops, engaged in combat, on three fronts,
in three days with the first quarter-million coming on line in 24 hours.

Fat lot of good that would have been when driving Saddam out of Kuwait.

Or for invading Iraq either.

Israel can fight a sustained war without significant resupply for 30 days

Depends entirely on what sort of war it is.

- the best endurance that NATO ever achieved when facing the Soviets was ten days.

Isreal never tried it against the Soviets, just some ****wits like the Egyptians.

Bring our boys and girls home NOW.

Why?

Because its costing an immense amount of money to get involved in what is just another civil war.

These are our warrior class.

They've passed their useby date. No one is going to attack america militarily again.

They exist to kill and blow things up. They fight for honor, family, home, and glory.

Many of them do it to get american citizenship.

Now you've got to ask yourself just one question: do you want them over there, or roaming our cities over here?

That was survived fine up until Iraq was invaded. And the first Gulf War
didnt stop fools like McVeigh doing obscenitys back in america anyway.

McCain is being seriously misrepresented by the far-right pundits.
He's one of the more libertarian candidates we've seen in a
presidential race in a long time. And he's certainly no closet
democrat or leftist or anything like that. He's a traditional
Republican.

You can find a more substantial analysis of his real record he
http://www.republicofdave.com/?p=272

Dave

On Feb 6, 6:56 pm, "
wrote:
McCain is being seriously misrepresented by the far-right pundits.

Watching McCain get Swiftboated: priceless.

Let the schadenfreude begin!

I don't even know what to do anymore. We are going to be stuck with
an amnesty granting President now that Romney and some others are done
for. Not to mention McCain wants Americans to pay a world tax on
pollution. If he follows through with it, jobs will just go over to
China or some other country, where there are less regulations and the
pollution will be even worse, and yet McCain will make Americans foot
the bill.

In article
,
Keith wrote:

I don't even know what to do anymore. We are going to be stuck with
an amnesty granting President now that Romney and some others are done
for. Not to mention McCain wants Americans to pay a world tax on
pollution. If he follows through with it, jobs will just go over to
China or some other country, where there are less regulations and the
pollution will be even worse, and yet McCain will make Americans foot
the bill.

Won't that surprise the Mexicans. They finally finagle their way into
the States only to find that the jobs have been exported. Bummer. I
mean, why even try?;-)
--

Billy

Bush, Cheney & Pelosi, Behind Bars
http://rachelcorriefoundation.org/site/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movemen...George_W._Bush

On Feb 4, 3:03*pm, "Rod Speed" wrote:

They also wanted some action in response to 9/11 and
without those prepared to do that sort of thing, the US
wouldnt have been able to do anything about Afghanistan etc.

the etc. being Iraq? really good response to 9/11 that was. sure has
solved the problem. hey, how's Bush's plan of "smokin' 'im out" ('im
being bin Laden) going? haven't heard much about it lately.

Well, we showed the world. You mess with us, and we will attack
somebody who sort of reminds us of you (since we're not too good with
races and languages and that foreign stuff), who we also don't like.

It's like that scene in over the top crime movies, where the head bad
guy tries to threaten the hero, by shooting one of his own men "You
see what I'm capable of? I wasn't even mad at him, imagine what I will
do to you".

On Feb 4, 3:05*pm, "Dave Bugg" wrote:

Americans want what this country was founded on: FREEDOM.

this country was founded on the freedom of religious nuts to oppress
people of very slightly different religions, which they couldn't do at
home.

z wrote:
Rod Speed wrote
Billy wrote

My point is that the tax payers who pay for your "services" want PEACE so we
can raise our kids, keep our jobs, and watch Super Bowl on 40" flat screens.

They also wanted some action in response to 9/11 and
without those prepared to do that sort of thing, the US
wouldnt have been able to do anything about Afghanistan etc.

the etc. being Iraq?

Nope, Pakistan etc.

really good response to 9/11 that was. sure has solved the problem.

Yep, terminal stupidity.

hey, how's Bush's plan of "smokin' 'im out" ('im being
bin Laden) going? haven't heard much about it lately.

Hardly surprising. Big hard to find someone who
choses to hide in a cave in the wilds of Pakistan etc.

Well, we showed the world. You mess with us, and we will attack
somebody who sort of reminds us of you (since we're not too good
with races and languages and that foreign stuff), who we also don't like.

Or even the stupidest yanks can work out where the terrorist training camps
are in places like Afghanistan and **** them over very comprehensively indeed.

It's like that scene in over the top crime movies, where the head bad guy
tries to threaten the hero, by shooting one of his own men "You see what
I'm capable of? I wasn't even mad at him, imagine what I will do to you".

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.

z wrote
Dave Bugg wrote

Americans want what this country was founded on: FREEDOM.

this country was founded on the freedom of religious nuts to oppress
people of very slightly different religions, which they couldn't do at home.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have
never ever had a ****ing clue about anything at all, ever.

On Feb 7, 4:18*pm, "Rod Speed" wrote:
z wrote

Dave Bugg wrote
Americans want what this country was founded on: FREEDOM.
this country was founded on the freedom of religious nuts to oppress
people of very slightly different religions, which they couldn't do at home.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have
never ever had a ****ing clue about anything at all, ever.

sorry, can't hear you with that baked potato stuck in your mouf

On Feb 7, 4:17*pm, "Rod Speed" wrote:
z wrote:
Rod Speed wrote
Billy wrote
My point is that the tax payers who pay for your "services" want PEACE so we
can raise our kids, keep our jobs, and watch Super Bowl on 40" flat screens.
They also wanted some action in response to 9/11 and
without those prepared to do that sort of thing, the US
wouldnt have been able to do anything about Afghanistan etc.
the etc. being Iraq?

Nope, Pakistan etc.

really good response to 9/11 that was. sure has solved the problem.

Yep, terminal stupidity.

hey, how's Bush's plan of "smokin' 'im out" ('im being
bin Laden) going? haven't heard much about it lately.

Hardly surprising. Big hard to find someone who
choses to hide in a cave in the wilds of Pakistan etc.

Well, we showed the world. You mess with us, and we will attack
somebody who sort of reminds us of you (since we're not too good
with races and languages and that foreign stuff), who we also don't like..

Or even the stupidest yanks can work out where the terrorist training camps
are in places like Afghanistan and **** them over very comprehensively indeed.

It's like that scene in over the top crime movies, where the head bad guy
tries to threaten the hero, by shooting one of his own men "You see what
I'm capable of? I wasn't even mad at him, imagine what I will do to you"..

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.

well, keep searching the alleys of Baghdad, i'm sure bin Laden will
show up there sooner or later.

Don Klipstein wrote:


Bush II got re-elected by being against the "terrorists" but has gone
through over 7 years, and over 6 of those after "9/11", without capturing
Osama bin Laden either dead or alive!

- Don Klipstein )

They are in no hurry to make a martyr out of O'slima Ben-lyeing, the
just want to make him totally irrelevant, which is what they are doing.