Don Staples

Have a great Easter.


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

In article ,
"symplastless" wrote:

Jangchub

What is your specialty? What do you consider yourself to be?


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

"Jangchub" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 22:12:15 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

That does seem to be the collection point for nut jobs.


It's astounding, really. They vote and they reproduce.


...and they are Christianists too! Kill kill kill, but hands off the
embryos. Geesh, this country is doomed.

The mob wants a crucifixion? Give him some space. Shut up already.
--

Billy

Impeach Pelosi, Bush & Cheney to the Hague
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/
http://rachelcorriefoundation.org/

"symplastless" wrote in message
news
Your time is clicking away. BTW, did you know every hair on your head is
counted? Cookoo!!! OK!


What the hell are you talking about, you burnout???

"symplastless" wrote in message
. ..

"D. Staples" wrote in message
...

"symplastless" wrote in message
. ..
Dear Don Staples: What do you mean when you say "consulting forester"
of PA? In other words what do you mean when you say "consulting
forester"? The reason I ask is I have no clue and your website has a
link defining it but it is dead.
http://www.livingston.net/dstaples/forestry/staples.htm

I mean an educated forester, not a con artist like you.

Now you add educated but still have not told me what you mean when you say
forester? What specifically do you do that helps a forest?

Expose frauds and con artists like you.

"Don Staples" wrote in message
...
"symplastless" wrote in message
. ..

"D. Staples" wrote in message
...

"symplastless" wrote in message
. ..
Dear Don Staples: What do you mean when you say "consulting forester"
of PA? In other words what do you mean when you say "consulting
forester"? The reason I ask is I have no clue and your website has a
link defining it but it is dead.
http://www.livingston.net/dstaples/forestry/staples.htm

I mean an educated forester, not a con artist like you.

Now you add educated but still have not told me what you mean when you
say forester? What specifically do you do that helps a forest?

Expose frauds and con artists like you.


To whom it may concern
I make decisions based on tree biology when possible regarding forest health
as well as tree farming. You refer to that as a fraud and your contribution
to forest health? I understand that you have a background in wood products,
yet that seems limited when you made comments on the use of a Shigometer to
detect the quality of wood. from your website you seem to make decisions
based on board foot ant not tree biology. Your efforts seem to be geared
towards tree farming and not forest health management. When you claim to be
a forester that seems to be miss leading and somewhat fraud like, I.e., if
you must insist on uncovering fraud. not that I don't respect your tree
farming efforts to provide needed wood products for humans. I just claim
that tree biology needs to be considered when managing trees and their
associates in tree farming (commercial sale of wood from once fertile
forest). You call that a fraud and a con artist? I would not feel
comfortable calling you that, but then seldom does progress come from
comfort. If I was involved with a decision making process in tree farming
projects I would insist that other people be involved in the process, e.g.,
including but not limited too, wildlife biologist, soil scientist, water
ecologist as well as my understanding of tree biology. I.e., only when the
person or persons tree farming their single stand or group of trees under
one or more ownership desires to take tree biology into consideration.
SHIGOMETRY would be a very useful tool for someone that understands tree
anatomy such as the difference between sapwood trees and heartwood forming
trees, the difference between sapwood and heartwood, the difference in
electrical resistance of discolored or color altered wood from a wound or
injury from sapwood or heartwood. Exposing the flaws in the heartrot
concept would be of some value. There is just so much more than board feet
to take into consideration when tree farming. I am surely not the only
person who has an understanding of tree biology even though I have studied
tree biology more than most and not as much as some Studying your website
Don Staples, it appears that you are very much into tree farming with a
background in wood products which is limited due to the lack of
understanding of tree anatomy. When we start with a 2x4 and try to
understand wood decay, it becomes very confusing. Many properties of wood
products is determined when the product was part of the growing and ever
changing tree. E. g., wood that was chemically altered from a wound or
injury when it was part of a tree system (redundant, a tree is a system) is
the first place carpenter ants and termites will go when it is made into a
wood product. The quality of the wood can be detected quickly and with
accuracy with a thorough understanding of tree anatomy and the use of a
Shigometer. Wood anatomy is different than tree anatomy which I do not
expect you to understand and I do expect you to argue that fact out of
ignorance. That's tree farming and wood products in a nut shell.

Forest health is another topic. With limited to little to no understanding
of tree biology it is hard to understand the unique functions and processes
of a forest. Cutting the wood out of a forest at this date and time is
something that is better left to tree farming and tree farms which I
addressed in the latter paragraph. Logging - Briefly, "with respect." - It
has been published that logging is removing or cutting out present and
future coarse woody debris from a forest, woods or a field. Logging is
removing, probably the single most, present and future, important habitat
and potential niche for the survival of organisms in drastically altered
systems. ...dying and symplastless wood provides one of the two or three
greatest resources for animal species in a forest. ..if fallen timber and
slightly decayed trees are removed the whole system is gravely impoverished
of perhaps more than a fifth of its fauna. Logging is removing future
reservoirs and storehouse of nutrients as well as elements for fauna and
flora. In respect, to such projects as the "Burn and Clearcut Project"" -
Logging is the killing of trees. Logging is removal of most of the stem of
one of the largest, longest lived contributors to the once fertile forest
health. the wood out of a once fertile forest is not in the interest in
forest health. A thorough understanding of the relationship between trees
and their associates in a forest is the backbone of legislature in the USA
to end commercial logging or federal public land and allow these tracts of
land to be the forest they were supposed to be when called National Forest,
etc. My role as the consulting forester which I clearly define in my
dictionary, is to contribute in writing comments based on my understanding
of tree biology (defined in my dictionary) backed by peer reviewed published
data in refereed journals when possible, regarding the importance of such
legislature with respect to forest health. The bill takes steps to help
communities and displaced loggers.

I have great respect for Don Staples and his tree farming business and
website which explains just what he does and so forth. I do think due to
his lack of understanding of tree biology and tree anatomy he would be best
described as a consulting tree farmer. I still believe he should bring in
other people specializing in tree biology and wildlife and so on. Logging
is hard work, which I do not think Don Staples actually picks up a chain
saw, which I have learned by working for a logger. As well as the suggested
4 year course to in wood products to be a tree farmer I would add that a
degree in hemp products would serve well. Hemp farming could provide much
required material for an ever growing industry. If you do not understand
and use a SHIGOMETER in wood product production you are not doing all you
can do to provide high quality products. I do have a great understanding of
wood products in that area due to my understanding of tree anatomy. I am
working on a project that addresses goals of tree farms and one on forestry
(management of forest) goals, their things in common and things not. E.g.,
a fertile forest could be the site of optimum fertility levels for trees, a
tree farm would not.

When either I am consulting on tree farming or forests, some of my
foundations starts with these docs: Its a start.
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT20...get/index.html

Tree Farming and Machine Wounds
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT20...nds_shigo.html

Wood Products Defects:
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT20...cts_shigo.html

Some of my comments on the latter can be found here
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/SOUND/index.html

Closing Statement:
What's important is that tree biology is considered when making decisions on
forest health. Trees have many associates that greatly depend on healthy
systems for survival. History shows that in St. Louis - USA, the
Mississippi Valley Laboratory was established in 1899. The director at that
time was Dr. Herman von Schrenk. Studies on wood decay and discoloration
(woundwood) were done mostly. In time, the studies drifted toward wood
products. In 1907 the lab was discontinued and the Forest Products
Laboratory at Madison, Wisconsin took over. The major focus of the lab was
on wood products decay - "Tree biology never had a chance". For more see
TREE PITHY POINTS by Alex L. Shigo. Too often decisions in tree farming and
on tree farms are based on board foot rather than management based on an
understanding of the ecological stages of trees and their associates. Too
often over looking trees and associates requirements. Sure you can claim I
am not a forester, but first define what you mean when "you" say "forester".
I have in my dictionary.
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT20..._forester.html I do not
claim to be anything else. When commercial interest dictates the method
and treatments of National Forest, associates too often suffer. I see it in
urban wood management. The biggest problem, some say, is getting the wood
out fast enough and without criticism. Is that what you mean when "you" say
"forester"? Surely I have much more to learn then I have learned regarding
the ecological stages of trees and their associates and the relationship
between the two. A once fertile forest does more than just function as a
supply of wood for humans. Surely man would benefit by legalizing
commercial hemp and the products it can produce. It is said that George
Washington's first flag was made of hemp. The Constitution was written on
hemp. Sure I am a consumer. Toilet paper is a requirement to me. We need
to separate the forest from the tree farms. Tree farmers need help and also
would benefit by an understanding of tree biology in managing their
non-renewable natural resource. A good understanding of cellulose and the
role it plays on healthy soils "should" be of interest to tree farmers. Its
sad when it is not. Just my crazy thoughts. Surely no one on this list
endorses me or my thoughts. But they are mine and not theirs. That's what
makes me unique. Imagine a world where all pathogens went away! Ignorance
of tree biology still remains a serious problem for trees and their
associates worldwide. We are an associate, friend or foe. I repeat, by
your definition I am not a forester. Please define what one is
in your words. And I religiously say " don't believe anything because I
said it" "believe it because you see it for yourself". When payment for
making a tree safe, in a once fertile forest, is the harvest of the wood,
its a bad situation. Rather than making a snag which could be safe for many
years, housing many flying squirrels - they are displaced by removing the
wood. The professional who would make the snag should be well paid for that
skill and risk as well as the ground person or persons. Thus not having to
rely on the wood for payment. It
hurts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Again, just my crazy
thoughts!
An interesting book, if you have not read it, is A NEW TREE BIOLOGY. It
comes with its own dictionary. It should be at your local library. The
book is listed at www.shigoandtrees.com. Too many people want to be made
robots. Training without education makes robots. Education without
training makes waste. Waste is an human term for inefficient management of
substance or thing. A forest knows no waste. Sorry about by ignorance in
the difference between a tree farmer, a tree farm and a forester and a
forest. Enough of my thoughts, what're yours?

One more thing to take into consideration. My professor who was the chief
scientist in a pioneering expedition into tree decay with the US Forest
Service was, including but not limited too, a tree biologist, a mycologist,
and ecologist, a forest researcher, a teacher, a genus with trees and a
musician left us with his last TREE PITHY POINT #950 and I quote "Ignorance
of tree biology has been, and still is, the major cause of tree problems
worldwide." Knowing the man very well I would say that that includes tree
farms as well as forest. Not to forget he was a wood products specialist,
starting with the tree to understand decay, the succession of microorganism,
termites, ants and much more with respect to wood products.


Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Tree Biologist with respect to forest and / or tree farms.
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...
"symplastless" wrote in message
news
Your time is clicking away. BTW, did you know every hair on your head is
counted? Cookoo!!! OK!


What the [snip] are you talking about, you burnout???

Your comment:
"But, it's fun to pull his chain and see him get nuttier and nuttier in
such a short period of time. He could have a real ball in another
newsgroup, talk.politics.guns."


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

Beware of tree experts who don't have supervision to be sure they stay on
their meds.

"symplastless" wrote in message
...

Hey, fraud, tell us of your education in forestry, to be able to call
yourself a forester. Or, to start, tell us of any advanced, organized,
public or private college level education you may have, or claim to have.
Tell us of the biology course work you have taken. Tell us of ANY advanced
work you have taken, other than as a saw hand for Dr. Shigo.

You are a fraud, a con artist, a liar and to complete the series, nuts.

"Jangchub" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 20:21:13 -0400, "symplastless"
wrote:

Jangchub

What is your specialty? What do you consider yourself to be?

I am a suffering sentient being who sees Ultimate Reality as it is and
strive to see emptiness directly. I am a Buddhist practitioner with
flaws and make many mistakes. I strongly advise anyone reading
anything I say to second check it up and get another opinion. I do
not have the defining last word on any subject. However, when I worked
before becoming disabled I was the manager of a specialty garden
center and greenhouse operation which sold plants grows specifically
for the Brooklyn Botanica Gardens as well as The New York Botanical
Gardens in the Bronx, NY. My specialty was herbs which I grew from
cuttings. I attended SUNY Farmingdale for Greenhouse Management. I
am just a simple person with an opinion like every other person I
know. One day, I hope to NOT have any opinion and my effort toward
living in the perfection of wisdom.

And you?

I had no idea of your experience. I respect that. Your experience in green
house plants is something I admire. I am going to try a veggie garden this
year. My part is getting the soil (organic mushroom soil) and leaf compost
to help keep down unwanted plants of ones that I do not understand. The
garden will pretty much be new to me. I now know a person to contact
regarding herbs and green houses. I strongly advise that no one believe it
because I say it but because they see it for themselves. I had no clue as
to who you were or your background. Please forgive me for any statements I
have made that might have offended you.

As far as me - an letter addressed to Don Staples:
I make decisions based on tree biology when possible regarding forest health
or tree farm health. You refer to that as a fraud and your contribution to
forest health? I understand that you have a background in wood products,
yet that seems limited when you made comments on the use of a Shigometer to
detect the quality of wood. from your website you seem to make decisions
based on board foot ant not tree biology. Your efforts seem to be geared
towards tree farming and not forest health management. When you claim to be
a forester that seems to be miss leading and somewhat fraud like, I.e., if
you must insist on uncovering fraud. not that I don't respect your tree
farming efforts to provide needed wood products for humans. I just claim
that tree biology needs to be considered when managing trees and their
associates in tree farming (commercial sale of wood from once fertile
forest). You call that a fraud and a con artist? I would not feel
comfortable calling you that, but then seldom does progress come from
comfort. If I was involved with a decision making process in tree farming
projects I would insist that other people be involved in the process, e.g.,
including but not limited too, wildlife biologist, soil scientist, water
ecologist as well as my understanding of tree biology. I.e., only when the
person or persons tree farming their single stand or group of trees under
one or more ownership desires to take tree biology into consideration.
SHIGOMETRY would be a very useful tool for someone that understands tree
anatomy such as the difference between sapwood trees and heartwood forming
trees, the difference between sapwood and heartwood, the difference in
electrical resistance of discolored or color altered wood from a wound or
injury from sapwood or heartwood. Exposing the flaws in the heartrot
concept would be of some value. There is just so much more than board feet
to take into consideration when tree farming. I am surely not the only
person who has an understanding of tree biology even though I have studied
tree biology more than most and not as much as some Studying your website
Don Staples, it appears that you are very much into tree farming with a
background in wood products which is limited due to the lack of
understanding of tree anatomy. When we start with a 2x4 and try to
understand wood decay, it becomes very confusing. Many properties of wood
products is determined when the product was part of the growing and ever
changing tree. E. g., wood that was chemically altered from a wound or
injury when it was part of a tree system (redundant, a tree is a system) is
the first place carpenter ants and termites will go when it is made into a
wood product. The quality of the wood can be detected quickly and with
accuracy with a thorough understanding of tree anatomy and the use of a
Shigometer. Wood anatomy is different than tree anatomy which I do not
expect you to understand and I do expect you to argue that fact out of
ignorance. That's tree farming and wood products in a nut shell.

Forest health is another topic. With limited to little to no understanding
of tree biology it is hard to understand the unique functions and processes
of a forest. Cutting the wood out of a forest at this date and time is
something that is better left to tree farming and tree farms which I
addressed in the latter paragraph. Logging - Briefly, "with respect." - It
has been published that logging is removing or cutting out present and
future coarse woody debris from a forest, woods or a field. Logging is
removing, probably the single most, present and future, important habitat
and potential niche for the survival of organisms in drastically altered
systems. ...dying and symplastless wood provides one of the two or three
greatest resources for animal species in a forest. ..if fallen timber and
slightly decayed trees are removed the whole system is gravely impoverished
of perhaps more than a fifth of its fauna. Logging is removing future
reservoirs and storehouse of nutrients as well as elements for fauna and
flora. In respect, to such projects as the "Burn and Clearcut Project"" -
Logging is the killing of trees. Logging is removal of most of the stem of
one of the largest, longest lived contributors to the once fertile forest
health. the wood out of a once fertile forest is not in the interest in
forest health. A thorough understanding of the relationship between trees
and their associates in a forest is the backbone of legislature in the USA
to end commercial logging or federal public land and allow these tracts of
land to be the forest they were supposed to be when called National Forest,
etc. My role as the consulting forester which I clearly define in my
dictionary, is to contribute in writing comments based on my understanding
of tree biology (defined in my dictionary) backed by peer reviewed published
data in refereed journals when possible, regarding the importance of such
legislature with respect to forest health. The bill takes steps to help
communities and displaced loggers.



I have great respect for Don Staples and his tree farming business and
website which explains just what he does and so forth. I do think due to
his lack of understanding of tree biology and tree anatomy he would be best
described as a consulting tree farmer. I still believe he should bring in
other people specializing in tree biology and wildlife and so on. Logging
is hard work, which I do not think Don Staples actually picks up a chain
saw, which I have learned by working for a logger. As well as the suggested
4 year course to in wood products to be a tree farmer I would add that a
degree in hemp products would serve well. Hemp farming could provide much
required material for an ever growing industry. If you do not understand
and use a SHIGOMETER in wood product production you are not doing all you
can do to provide high quality products. I do have a great understanding of
wood products in that area due to my understanding of tree anatomy. I am
working on a project that addresses goals of tree farms and one on forestry
(management of forest) goals, their things in common and things not. E.g.,
a fertile forest could be the site of optimum fertility levels for trees, a
tree farm would not.



When either I am consulting on tree farming or forests, some of my
foundations starts with these docs: Its a start.

http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT20...get/index.html



Tree Farming and Machine Wounds

http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT20...nds_shigo.html



Wood Products Defects:

http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT20...cts_shigo.html



Some of my comments on the latter can be found here
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/SOUND/index.html



Closing Statement:

What's important is that tree biology is considered when making decisions on
forest health. Trees have many associates that greatly depend on healthy
systems for survival. History shows that in St. Louis - USA, the
Mississippi Valley Laboratory was established in 1899. The director at that
time was Dr. Herman von Schrenk. Studies on wood decay and discoloration
(woundwood) were done mostly. In time, the studies drifted toward wood
products. In 1907 the lab was discontinued and the Forest Products
Laboratory at Madison, Wisconsin took over. The major focus of the lab was
on wood products decay - "Tree biology never had a chance". For more see
TREE PITHY POINTS by Alex L. Shigo. Too often decisions in tree farming and
on tree farms are based on board foot rather than management based on an
understanding of the ecological stages of trees and their associates. Too
often over looking trees and associates requirements. Sure you can claim I
am not a forester, but first define what you mean when "you" say "forester".
I have in my dictionary.
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT20..._forester.html I do not
claim to be anything else. When commercial interest dictates the method
and treatments of National Forest, associates too often suffer. I see it in
urban wood management. The biggest problem, some say, is getting the wood
out fast enough and without criticism. Is that what you mean when "you" say
"forester"? Surely I have much more to learn then I have learned regarding
the ecological stages of trees and their associates and the relationship
between the two. A once fertile forest does more than just function as a
supply of wood for humans. Surely man would benefit by legalizing
commercial hemp and the products it can produce. It is said that George
Washington's first flag was made of hemp. The Constitution was written on
hemp. Sure I am a consumer. Toilet paper is a requirement to me. We need
to separate the forest from the tree farms. Tree farmers need help and also
would benefit by an understanding of tree biology in managing their
non-renewable natural resource. A good understanding of cellulose and the
role it plays on healthy soils "should" be of interest to tree farmers. Its
sad when it is not. Just my crazy thoughts. Surely no one on this list
endorses me or my thoughts. But they are mine and not theirs. That's what
makes me unique. Imagine a world where all pathogens went away! Ignorance
of tree biology still remains a serious problem for trees and their
associates worldwide. We are an associate, friend or foe. I repeat, by
your definition I am not a forester. Please define what one is
in your words. And I religiously say " don't believe anything because I
said it" "believe it because you see it for yourself". When payment for
making a tree safe, in a once fertile forest, is the harvest of the wood,
its a bad situation. Rather than making a snag which could be safe for many
years, housing many flying squirrels - they are displaced by removing the
wood. The professional who would make the snag should be well paid for that
skill and risk as well as the ground person or persons. Thus not having to
rely on the wood for payment. It
hurts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Again, just my crazy
thoughts!
An interesting book, if you have not read it, is A NEW TREE BIOLOGY. It
comes with its own dictionary. It should be at your local library. The
book is listed at www.shigoandtrees.com. Too many people want to be made
robots. Training without education makes robots. Education without
training makes waste. Waste is an human term for inefficient management of
substance or thing. A forest knows no waste. Sorry about by ignorance in
the difference between a tree farmer, a tree farm and a forester and a
forest. Enough of my thoughts, what're yours?



One more thing to take into consideration. My professor who was the chief
scientist in a pioneering expedition into tree decay with the US Forest
Service was, including but not limited too, a tree biologist, a mycologist,
and ecologist, a forest researcher, a teacher, a genus with trees and a
musician left us with his last TREE PITHY POINT #950 and I quote "Ignorance
of tree biology has been, and still is, the major cause of tree problems
worldwide." Knowing the man very well I would say that that includes tree
farms as well as forest. Not to forget he was a wood products specialist,
starting with the tree to understand decay, the succession of microorganism,
termites, ants and much more with respect to wood products.





Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Tree Biologist with respect to forest and / or tree farms.

http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

"Jangchub" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 21:29:11 -0400, "symplastless"
wrote:



Now you add educated but still have not told me what you mean when you say
forester? What specifically do you do that helps a forest?

Far as I can see, here is the list:

# Timber and Land Appraisal
# Timber and Land Sales
# Timber Marketing
# Estimates of Timber Volume
# Boundary Line Maintenance
# Land Acquisition and Sales
# Salvage And Restoration
# Management Plans
# Forest Resource Studies
# Soil Mapping
# Urban Forestry
# Wildlife Management
# Precommercial Thinnings
# Long-Term Forest Management
# Lease Management
# Litigation - Expert Witness
# Assistance In Vendor Location And Supervision
# Ad Valorem Tax Assistance

What part of it don't you comprehend?

Where tree biology falls into the picture.


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

"Jangchub" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 20:36:13 -0400, "symplastless"
wrote:


"Jangchub" wrote in message
. ..
On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 22:28:23 -0400, "symplastless"
wrote:

With what, doughnuts?

With socialization. You are a doughnut with problems.

Again I want to make it perfectly clear, lucid, I am into "non-violent
direct action". I will settle for no less.

I think you are one of those people that hate trees as well as their
associates. See this is a gardening news group. Don't they have a news
group for people like yourself? What is your goal here? What is you
objective? What are you and what is your topic. Why are you talking to
me?
Pruning woody plants, i.e., plants made up of mostly cellulose that
compartmentalize and seal pruning wounds if desired, and done correctly
was
the topic. What is going through you mind? Why are you hear? What is
your
purpose or need their of? You babble and so does Don Staples.

Um, I think if you think about it for a second I have given plenty of
helpful replies to people without self promotion of my website, as you
have. I don't answer questions with non- sequiturs as you do,
constantly. I have plants on my property approximately ten trees and
this is a property which is half acre and had three old growth, climax
live oaks which are numbered and registered with the county. If I cut
them down there is a ten thousand dollar fine per tree.

I have a complete understanding of what a fungal mat is, as well as a
rhizophere, which has nothing to do with minor weeds found in mulch. I
have read books written by everyone from Ruth Stout and Sara Stein, to
Dirr and never once have I found any of these experienced
professionals blather on about what you seem to blather on about.

We GET it. You have a website. You love yourself. You love your
"scientific" findings. You are a tree surgeon. Great. However, many
of the times you reply, it has NOTHING to do with the question.

I also believe in non-violence. I am not violent myself. Not even
toward an insect. I know how to prune trees, I sent photos to you and
you ignored them. I showed you the "donut" growing inward over the
properly cut limb outside the tree collar.

Shush up already. Go find a tree newsgroup because nothing you post
here has anything to do with gardening.

Why not get together and dissect some of your doughnuts. Your wounds were
big and I was not sure of them. My ignorance. I would have to dissect like
I did with the peach tree.


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

"symplastless" wrote in message
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"Jangchub" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 21:29:11 -0400, "symplastless"
wrote:



Now you add educated but still have not told me what you mean when you
say
forester? What specifically do you do that helps a forest?

Far as I can see, here is the list:

# Timber and Land Appraisal
# Timber and Land Sales
# Timber Marketing
# Estimates of Timber Volume
# Boundary Line Maintenance
# Land Acquisition and Sales
# Salvage And Restoration
# Management Plans
# Forest Resource Studies
# Soil Mapping
# Urban Forestry
# Wildlife Management
# Precommercial Thinnings
# Long-Term Forest Management
# Lease Management
# Litigation - Expert Witness
# Assistance In Vendor Location And Supervision
# Ad Valorem Tax Assistance

What part of it don't you comprehend?

Where tree biology falls into the picture.

Every where, unlike you, I have the education, and the experience. What do
you have, deadwood?

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article ,
"symplastless" wrote:

I am working on the three day deal. Your comments will be taken into
consideration.
--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com

John, your stress is palpable. You are making simple reading mistakes. We
don't know what is going on with you, but you seem to care, and we don't
doubt your wanting to help.

Well i certainly doubt "wanting to help" explains persistent irrational
claims of expertise. If someone pretends to be a doctor and attempts to
give medical advice, that's overtly harmful and dangerous, also crazy if
the chap believes he's really a doctor. So too giving oneself all sorts of
biology and arborist and forestry titles without any license or education
to back that up is just a tad loony.

So I rather suspect a mental disorder born of justifiably low self esteem
having given rise to a desire to be regarded as "the" expert without the
wherewithal to first obtain any expertise. We all tend to feel transiently
expert in any topic for which we just finished reading and enjoying one
book. The sane don't persist for years and years in advertising such
expertise without basis in reality.

-paghat the ratgirl
--
visit my temperate gardening website:
http://www.paghat.com.html
visit my film reviews webiste:
http://www.weirdwildrealm.com

In article ,
(paghat) wrote:

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article ,
"symplastless" wrote:

I am working on the three day deal. Your comments will be taken into
consideration.
--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com

John, your stress is palpable. You are making simple reading mistakes. We
don't know what is going on with you, but you seem to care, and we don't
doubt your wanting to help.

Well i certainly doubt "wanting to help" explains persistent irrational
claims of expertise. If someone pretends to be a doctor and attempts to
give medical advice, that's overtly harmful and dangerous, also crazy if
the chap believes he's really a doctor. So too giving oneself all sorts of
biology and arborist and forestry titles without any license or education
to back that up is just a tad loony.

So I rather suspect a mental disorder born of justifiably low self esteem
having given rise to a desire to be regarded as "the" expert without the
wherewithal to first obtain any expertise. We all tend to feel transiently
expert in any topic for which we just finished reading and enjoying one
book. The sane don't persist for years and years in advertising such
expertise without basis in reality.

-paghat the ratgirl

So you take the person who compulsively washes their hands, and tie
their hands together? You saw the movie "M". What did Peter Lorre say
about compulsions? For Christ's sake, is it so freakin' difficult for
you to ignore his posts? And you claim to be "normal"?
--

Billy

Impeach Pelosi, Bush & Cheney to the Hague
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/
http://rachelcorriefoundation.org/

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article ,
(paghat) wrote:

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article ,
"symplastless" wrote:

I am working on the three day deal. Your comments will be taken into
consideration.
--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com

John, your stress is palpable. You are making simple reading mistakes. We
don't know what is going on with you, but you seem to care, and we don't
doubt your wanting to help.

Well i certainly doubt "wanting to help" explains persistent irrational
claims of expertise. If someone pretends to be a doctor and attempts to
give medical advice, that's overtly harmful and dangerous, also crazy if
the chap believes he's really a doctor. So too giving oneself all sorts of
biology and arborist and forestry titles without any license or education
to back that up is just a tad loony.

So I rather suspect a mental disorder born of justifiably low self esteem
having given rise to a desire to be regarded as "the" expert without the
wherewithal to first obtain any expertise. We all tend to feel transiently
expert in any topic for which we just finished reading and enjoying one
book. The sane don't persist for years and years in advertising such
expertise without basis in reality.

-paghat the ratgirl

So you take the person who compulsively washes their hands, and tie
their hands together? You saw the movie "M". What did Peter Lorre say
about compulsions? For Christ's sake, is it so freakin' difficult for
you to ignore his posts? And you claim to be "normal"?

I never claimed to be normal, maybe more so in middle age than I'm proud
of, but never entirely. But i do find it easy to ignore symptomless's
posts. I doubt I read more than one in 1,000 of his bazillion posts, and
that one only because I wasn't paying attention to what I was opening.
He's been doing this same stuff for years, has been chased away
periodically from sundry newsgroups, but always returns, sometimes with
amazing paranoid rants a boasts of mightiness in his imaginary realm.
There's never anything new so no reason to read it again -- but I greatly
enjoy reading peoples' responses, partly so as to be sure everyone already
knows not to take the advice seriously (they almost always do know that),
but even more because responders are often very witty and one of the cool
things about usenet is the comedy.

-paghat the ratgirl
--
visit my temperate gardening website:
http://www.paghat.com.html
visit my film reviews webiste:
http://www.weirdwildrealm.com