Hi all fellow wreck.gardeners!

I haven't been on newsgroups all summer. I can't keep up with it all. Plus
I've really gone over to forums, the info is good, the camaraderie nice, topics
are focused, etc.

There's a new garden forum called The Easy Garden here
http://www.theeasygarden.com/forum/index.php . It's branched off from the
Backyard Chickens forum that I've been busy with, having just put my 15 new
babies into their coop out back. We've been busy getting the girls (and three
boys, unfortunately, they'll have to go, no roosters allowed here due to the
proximity of neighbors, not law or anything) settled, moving gardens, putting in
new ones, making pathways, etc. If you're interested in sharing about gardens
like we do here, come on over. We can post pictures freely (properly sized, of
course!) and share info with like-minded gardeners. Just thought I'd give a
head's up to a nice alternative.

Take care, all, and I hope to see a few of you there!

Ann (new chicken owner, beekeeper, and always hardcore gardener!)

In article ,
Ann wrote:

Charlie expounded:

On 13 Jul 2008 16:36:41 -0700, Ann wrote:

Hi all fellow wreck.gardeners!

I haven't been on newsgroups all summer. I can't keep up with it all.
Plus
I've really gone over to forums, the info is good, the camaraderie nice,
topics
are focused, etc.

There's a new garden forum called The Easy Garden here
http://www.theeasygarden.com/forum/index.php . It's branched off from the
Backyard Chickens forum that I've been busy with, having just put my 15 new
babies into their coop out back. We've been busy getting the girls (and
three
boys, unfortunately, they'll have to go, no roosters allowed here due to
the
proximity of neighbors, not law or anything) settled, moving gardens,
putting in
new ones, making pathways, etc. If you're interested in sharing about
gardens
like we do here, come on over. We can post pictures freely (properly
sized, of
course!) and share info with like-minded gardeners. Just thought I'd give
a
head's up to a nice alternative.

Take care, all, and I hope to see a few of you there!

Ann (new chicken owner, beekeeper, and always hardcore gardener!)

Is this "forum" moderated? Can we talk economics and the need for
gardening as a revolutionary act and political statement? May Bill,
Billy, and Charlie come and play in your "forum"?

Which few of us would you like to see in your "forum"? As far as
sharing info with like-minded gardeners, who/what qualifies as
like-minded? Is there a quiz or sumpthin' to determine if we are like
minded? Some Board of Approverators?

Giving up on usenet, eh, Ann? It's dying anyway, so who the fsck
cares. According to some recent articles, the Army is taking up
monitoring the internet for subversives? Is growing your own a
subversive act, I wonder, and can this be discussed on your new
"forum"? Do you know something that we proles need to know? Are you
abandoning The Usenet because of dangerous associations?

Heh heh, I just looked at your "forum" rules, regulations, and such
stuff...registration, automatic newsletter, yada, yada....the usual
horseshit and loss of privacy.

"It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood......"

Have fun in PollyannaLand, Ann.

Charlie

"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in
moral philosophy: that is the search for a superior moral justification
for selfishness."
-- John Kenneth Galbraith



As sweet as ever, aren't you, Charlie? Loss of privacy has me
stumped. No, your reactionary bullshit wouldn't be welcome, but your
gardening knowledge would be. Can't be nice, can you? Oh well. Yes,
I'm leaving usenet because I have no time in my life for negative
energy. Enjoy wallowing in it!

Loss of privacy - meaning: Are you going to sell the users mail and
email address to junk mailers so you can profit at the expense of others
miss fortunes of getting lots of junk mail.

Taking free existing knowledge and repackaging it for sale?

One needs both, Negative and Positive energy to create a useful balanced
circuit as in life. They go hand in hand. Hens but not one Rooster -
that is just soooo wrong - how unbalanced in life is that. I love that
crowing sound in the morning - It is the sound of a balanced life.

Restricting ones free speech IS bullshit !!!
Long live the Usenet !!!!

Enjoy Life ... Dan

--
Email "dan lehr at comcast dot net". Text only or goes to trash automatically.

In article
,
"Dan L." wrote:

In article ,
Ann wrote:

Charlie expounded:

On 13 Jul 2008 16:36:41 -0700, Ann wrote:

Hi all fellow wreck.gardeners!

I haven't been on newsgroups all summer. I can't keep up with it all.
Plus
I've really gone over to forums, the info is good, the camaraderie nice,
topics
are focused, etc.

There's a new garden forum called The Easy Garden here
http://www.theeasygarden.com/forum/index.php . It's branched off from
the
Backyard Chickens forum that I've been busy with, having just put my 15
new
babies into their coop out back. We've been busy getting the girls (and
three
boys, unfortunately, they'll have to go, no roosters allowed here due to
the
proximity of neighbors, not law or anything) settled, moving gardens,
putting in
new ones, making pathways, etc. If you're interested in sharing about
gardens
like we do here, come on over. We can post pictures freely (properly
sized, of
course!) and share info with like-minded gardeners. Just thought I'd
give
a
head's up to a nice alternative.

Take care, all, and I hope to see a few of you there!

Ann (new chicken owner, beekeeper, and always hardcore gardener!)

Is this "forum" moderated? Can we talk economics and the need for
gardening as a revolutionary act and political statement? May Bill,
Billy, and Charlie come and play in your "forum"?

Which few of us would you like to see in your "forum"? As far as
sharing info with like-minded gardeners, who/what qualifies as
like-minded? Is there a quiz or sumpthin' to determine if we are like
minded? Some Board of Approverators?

Giving up on usenet, eh, Ann? It's dying anyway, so who the fsck
cares. According to some recent articles, the Army is taking up
monitoring the internet for subversives? Is growing your own a
subversive act, I wonder, and can this be discussed on your new
"forum"? Do you know something that we proles need to know? Are you
abandoning The Usenet because of dangerous associations?

Heh heh, I just looked at your "forum" rules, regulations, and such
stuff...registration, automatic newsletter, yada, yada....the usual
horseshit and loss of privacy.

"It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood......"

Have fun in PollyannaLand, Ann.

Charlie

"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in
moral philosophy: that is the search for a superior moral justification
for selfishness."
-- John Kenneth Galbraith



As sweet as ever, aren't you, Charlie? Loss of privacy has me
stumped. No, your reactionary bullshit wouldn't be welcome, but your
gardening knowledge would be. Can't be nice, can you? Oh well. Yes,
I'm leaving usenet because I have no time in my life for negative
energy. Enjoy wallowing in it!

Loss of privacy - meaning: Are you going to sell the users mail and
email address to junk mailers so you can profit at the expense of others
miss fortunes of getting lots of junk mail.

Taking free existing knowledge and repackaging it for sale?

One needs both, Negative and Positive energy to create a useful balanced
circuit as in life. They go hand in hand. Hens but not one Rooster -
that is just soooo wrong - how unbalanced in life is that. I love that
crowing sound in the morning - It is the sound of a balanced life.

Restricting ones free speech IS bullshit !!!
Long live the Usenet !!!!

Enjoy Life ... Dan

http://www.lyricsfreak.com/f/frank+sinatra/love+marriage_20056073.html

Bill who wonders if the lord of lords would let this thru. They must
be all knowing so the potential for growth is defined and ready for
sale. This doesn¹t have much to do with gardens. Yet helping the
garden grow then destroying it harvest we call it. Shows up in a
round about way. Want to have someone control what to think? Gary
Snyder would say the body must be broken for life. I¹d say we must
create or have creation prepared for us. But I digress.

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

On Jul 14, 12:29*am, Charlie wrote:
On 13 Jul 2008 16:36:41 -0700, Ann wrote:





Hi all fellow wreck.gardeners!

I haven't been on newsgroups all summer. *I can't keep up with it all. *Plus
I've really gone over to forums, the info is good, the camaraderie nice, topics
are focused, etc.

There's a new garden forum called The Easy Garden here
http://www.theeasygarden.com/forum/index.php. *It's branched off from the
Backyard Chickens forum that I've been busy with, having just put my 15 new
babies into their coop out back. *We've been busy getting the girls (and three
boys, unfortunately, they'll have to go, no roosters allowed here due to the
proximity of neighbors, not law or anything) settled, moving gardens, putting in
new ones, making pathways, etc. *If you're interested in sharing about gardens
like we do here, come on over. *We can post pictures freely (properly sized, of
course!) and share info with like-minded gardeners. *Just thought I'd give a
head's up to a nice alternative.

Take care, all, and I hope to see a few of you there!

Ann (new chicken owner, beekeeper, and always hardcore gardener!)

Is this "forum" moderated? *Can we talk economics and the need for
gardening as a revolutionary act and political statement? *May Bill,
Billy, and Charlie come and play in your "forum"?

Which few of us would you like to see in your "forum"? *As far as
sharing info with like-minded gardeners, who/what qualifies as
like-minded? *Is there a quiz or sumpthin' to determine if we are like
minded? *Some Board of Approverators?

Giving up on usenet, eh, Ann? *It's dying anyway, so who the fsck
cares. *According to some recent articles, the Army is taking up
monitoring the internet for subversives? *Is growing your own a
subversive act, I wonder, and can this be discussed on your new
"forum"? *Do you know something that we proles need to know? *Are you
abandoning The Usenet because of dangerous associations?

Heh heh, I just looked at your "forum" rules, regulations, and such
stuff...registration, automatic newsletter, yada, yada....the usual
horseshit and loss of privacy.

"It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood......"

Have fun in PollyannaLand, Ann.

Charlie

"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in
moral philosophy: that is the search for a superior moral justification
for selfishness."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- John Kenneth Galbraith- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

well.............it's just nice to see you Charlie.........I finally
refound the music you burnt and sent to me. now if only I had the
stereo and burner hooked up to send YOU some music!! lost your
addy......could you send it back to me on my yahoo account? gardening
madly with me Englishman happily rebuilding my life after 30 years of
abuse isn't easy but love makes it WONDERFUL (and absolute
connectivity and respect) I almost don't know how to act if I weren't
so centered and confident that James is my true husband and long
overdue other half..................two cats outa four, the two dawgs,
picked the first ripe tomato, got beans flowering, herb patch along
the rental house is flowering and drawing the pollinators in
masse..........hummers visiting the neighbor's mimosa so it's not all
city birds............I have cow horn sweet peppers (not many but some
is better than NONE) and the few containers I DID manage to get into
the little low slung Buick bucket station wagon (1994) is better than
no gardens. just want to unpack the boxes that aren't unpacked and
find those lost garden hand tools...........SIGH..........or get money
enough to get to karol's and load everything she has (including the
boxes I forgot about with all my beloved and horded old clay and
glazed pots) including things I can't replace once and for
all............................will live here in Greeneville for at
least another year? or until James gets his pension and we can get
our own little piece of land with a little modular or double wide and
have Rhode Island Reds and flowers, fruit trees, berries, gardens and
too much love, music, music music (James is musical not to mention a
musician, writes, plays, adores world music from his exposure when he
was in the Royal Navy when he was a sprout ) and finish raising his
youngest son who will be graduating high school next year and go to
college to be a meteorologist.............holler at me! love to my
garden buddies no matter how much mud is slung around. I visit the
gardenweb forums myself, but always come to the wreck gardens because
it's where I began..........

keep me posted on life in the gardens and patches. I am anxious to
hear from all of youse!
maddie (aka madgardener) stretch gardening in the green bowl
surrounded by the Cherokee National Forest and Appalachian mountains
in zone 7b

"Dan L." expounded:

Loss of privacy - meaning: Are you going to sell the users mail and
email address to junk mailers so you can profit at the expense of others
miss fortunes of getting lots of junk mail.

First of all, Dan, I don't own the forum. I've been on three of Rob's
forums for over a year now and nary a bit of spam has sullied my
inbox. All I wanted to do was to offer some of my friends here on
wreck.gardens a nice little alternative. Of course people who don't
know me (I've posted here since 1994) may think I have ulterior
motives, but those who do know me know I'm a true gardener, that's
what I do, that is what makes me happy. Usenet is fine, but I've come
to enjoy actually meeting people in real life and those connections
were made via these forums. I've met a few from here, too, but the
trolls and bullshit just got to be too much for me. So as of August,
when my Newsguy account comes up for renewal, I'm off. I'll spend the
$69 a year on a Carbonite backup account. I just don't come here
enough to warrant it. If I want to I'll use the lousy Comcast account
after that.

As for roosters, I dearly want one, but my neighbors will have a fit,
our houses are just too close together for it. So I'll have happy
hens and eggs, and manure for my gardens, and all will be right with
the world. For the moment.

There's plenty of free speech on the forums, you just can't drag every
single thread down into a political rant that serve no purpose other
than to dig at anyone who thinks a bit differently than you do. I
have no problem with that, because I'm a gardener on a gardening
subject. I save my politics for more appropriate forums.
--
Ann, gardening in Zone 6a
South of Boston, Massachusetts
e-mail address is not checked
******************************

In article ,
Ann wrote:

"Dan L." expounded:

Loss of privacy - meaning: Are you going to sell the users mail and
email address to junk mailers so you can profit at the expense of others
miss fortunes of getting lots of junk mail.

First of all, Dan, I don't own the forum. I've been on three of Rob's
forums for over a year now and nary a bit of spam has sullied my
inbox. All I wanted to do was to offer some of my friends here on
wreck.gardens a nice little alternative. Of course people who don't
know me (I've posted here since 1994) may think I have ulterior
motives, but those who do know me know I'm a true gardener, that's
what I do, that is what makes me happy. Usenet is fine, but I've come
to enjoy actually meeting people in real life and those connections
were made via these forums. I've met a few from here, too, but the
trolls and bullshit just got to be too much for me. So as of August,
when my Newsguy account comes up for renewal, I'm off. I'll spend the
$69 a year on a Carbonite backup account. I just don't come here
enough to warrant it. If I want to I'll use the lousy Comcast account
after that.

As for roosters, I dearly want one, but my neighbors will have a fit,
our houses are just too close together for it. So I'll have happy
hens and eggs, and manure for my gardens, and all will be right with
the world. For the moment.

There's plenty of free speech on the forums, you just can't drag every
single thread down into a political rant that serve no purpose other
than to dig at anyone who thinks a bit differently than you do. I
have no problem with that, because I'm a gardener on a gardening
subject. I save my politics for more appropriate forums.

This isn't going to be a long dramatic good-bye is it? There must be a
drama forum, somewhere, that you could save it for. You had information
for us. You gave it. We thank you for it. Go or stay, as you like, but
this circling the drain is boring.
--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo...eature=related

Billy expounded:

This isn't going to be a long dramatic good-bye is it? There must be a
drama forum, somewhere, that you could save it for. You had information
for us. You gave it. We thank you for it. Go or stay, as you like, but
this circling the drain is boring.

Hey, Billy, who died and made you king? Oh, that's right, no one. I
was speaking to Dan. No drama, just conversation . You have the
option to ignore me, something you have never been able to do. Why
not try it now?
--
Ann, gardening in Zone 6a
South of Boston, Massachusetts
e-mail address is not checked
******************************

On Jul 14, 6:07 pm, Ann wrote:
Billy expounded:

This isn't going to be a long dramatic good-bye is it? There must be a
drama forum, somewhere, that you could save it for. You had information
for us. You gave it. We thank you for it. Go or stay, as you like, but
this circling the drain is boring.

Hey, Billy, who died and made you king? Oh, that's right, no one. I
was speaking to Dan. No drama, just conversation . You have the
option to ignore me, something you have never been able to do. Why
not try it now?
--
Ann, gardening in Zone 6a
South of Boston, Massachusetts
e-mail address is not checked
******************************

Ann
I am sorry to hear that you won't be around. I've enjoyed your posts
very much over the years. Give me an email now and then to say
hello and how you're doing, OK?
Emilie
NorCal

In article , Ann
wrote:

Billy expounded:

This isn't going to be a long dramatic good-bye is it? There must be a
drama forum, somewhere, that you could save it for. You had information
for us. You gave it. We thank you for it. Go or stay, as you like, but
this circling the drain is boring.

Hey, Billy, who died and made you king?

He did. Can't you smell the corpse? He makes one or two good points even so.

Oh, that's right, no one. I
was speaking to Dan. No drama, just conversation . You have the
option to ignore me, something you have never been able to do. Why
not try it now?

And it's your option to ignore Billy. Still, the query was about how you
manage to claim you're leaving usenet time and again but are still here
still complaining about crap hardly worthy of notice. For Billy it
actually qualifies as a reasonable question. I hope you really have
changed your mind about leaving, though frankly, if you're present or not
I might not notice. If usenet's boring or annoying, stepping away from
it's easy.

I leave periodically if I realize I'm spending more than an hour a day.
The time can build up. I use most of my computer time for actual paying
work (not all of it pays well but if it pays anything at all I'll do it
for hours on end. I poke into a smaller and smaller number of newsgroups
to keep from wasting whole days. At the moment rec.gardens is the ONLY
usenet group I'm looking at, but I'm on a couple slightly private boards
for literature and films and whatnot that interest me topically. So
leaving usenet doesn't have to be a "I hate you! I'm leaving!" sort of
thing, it can be more like leaving a touristy alligator farm cuz how many
times can you sit there watching some one-armed dumbass wrastle a gator.

-paghat the ratgirl
--
visit my temperate gardening website:
http://www.paghat.com
visit my film reviews website:
http://www.weirdwildrealm.com

In article ,
Ann wrote:

Billy expounded:

This isn't going to be a long dramatic good-bye is it? There must be a
drama forum, somewhere, that you could save it for. You had information
for us. You gave it. We thank you for it. Go or stay, as you like, but
this circling the drain is boring.

Hey, Billy, who died and made you king? Oh, that's right, no one. I
was speaking to Dan. No drama, just conversation . You have the
option to ignore me, something you have never been able to do. Why
not try it now?

I'm glad you found a way out of this crummy newsgroup. I thanked you for
the information. I'm glad this isn't going to be dramatic .
.. . round and round and round . . .
--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo...eature=related

On 7/14/08 10:04 PM, in article
,
"mleblanca" wrote:

On Jul 14, 6:07 pm, Ann wrote:
Billy expounded:

This isn't going to be a long dramatic good-bye is it? There must be a
drama forum, somewhere, that you could save it for. You had information
for us. You gave it. We thank you for it. Go or stay, as you like, but
this circling the drain is boring.

Hey, Billy, who died and made you king? Oh, that's right, no one. I
was speaking to Dan. No drama, just conversation . You have the
option to ignore me, something you have never been able to do. Why
not try it now?
--
Ann, gardening in Zone 6a
South of Boston, Massachusetts
e-mail address is not checked
******************************

Ann
I am sorry to hear that you won't be around. I've enjoyed your posts
very much over the years. Give me an email now and then to say
hello and how you're doing, OK?
Emilie
NorCal
And I'll echo the thought. But I won't be missing Ann as I joined the forum
she posted.

Cheryl

On Jul 15, 8:42*am, Cheryl Isaak wrote:
On 7/14/08 10:04 PM, in article
,



"mleblanca" wrote:
On Jul 14, 6:07 pm, Ann wrote:
Billy expounded:

This isn't going to be a long dramatic good-bye is it? There must be a
drama forum, somewhere, that you could save it for. You had information
for us. You gave it. We thank you for it. Go or stay, as you like, but
this circling the drain is boring.

Hey, Billy, who died and made you king? *Oh, that's right, no one. *I
was speaking to Dan. *No drama, just conversation . *You have the
option to ignore me, something you have never been able to do. *Why
not try it now?
--
Ann, gardening in Zone 6a
South of Boston, Massachusetts
e-mail address is not checked
******************************

Ann
I am sorry to hear that you won't be around. I've enjoyed your posts
very much over the years. Give me an email now and then to say
hello and how you're doing, OK?
Emilie
NorCal

And I'll echo the thought. But I won't be missing Ann as I *joined the forum
she posted.

Cheryl

Ditto what Cheryl said!!
Nan in DE

In article ,
Ann wrote:

First of all, Dan, I don't own the forum. I've been on three of Rob's
forums for over a year now and nary a bit of spam has sullied my
inbox.

Most web forums do send lots of junk mail. I avoid them when I can.
Even though I have many email accounts - all are filtered.

All I wanted to do was to offer some of my friends here on
wreck.gardens a nice little alternative. Of course people who don't
know me (I've posted here since 1994) may think I have ulterior
motives, but those who do know me know I'm a true gardener, that's
what I do, that is what makes me happy. Usenet is fine, but I've come
to enjoy actually meeting people in real life and those connections
were made via these forums. I've met a few from here, too, but the
trolls and bullshit just got to be too much for me. So as of August,
when my Newsguy account comes up for renewal, I'm off. I'll spend the
$69 a year on a Carbonite backup account. I just don't come here
enough to warrant it. If I want to I'll use the lousy Comcast account
after that.

$69 per year for Newsguy !!!! are you nuts !!! Why !!! When you have
Comcast !!! What's wrong with Comcast? 2 GIG's per month not enough?

You must be downloading / uploading a ton of movies or porn.
And then why download movies when you have On-demand? Movies are at a
much higher resolution than the internet based ones. Get a DVD recorded,
works great. iPod for music. Newsguy ????

Carbonite backup account ??? Why ??? Buy two large external Hard Drives,
swap them out, keep one in a fireproof safe. For backing up home movies,
burn them to DVD's and stick them in the safe as well. That is what I
do. Not as costly as you might think.

Just about every computer in the world has been hacked. I never put my
personal finance information on a computer that is hooked up to internet.
All taxes - done by hand. I use only one credit card for purchases on
the net. I would never never store other such info on someone else's
computer system. Do not put much faith in encryption - most can be
cracked in minutes with good code cracking software.

As for roosters, I dearly want one, but my neighbors will have a fit,
our houses are just too close together for it. So I'll have happy
hens and eggs, and manure for my gardens, and all will be right with
the world. For the moment.

If you can have hens, you can have roosters. If your land is rated AG
for agriculture - you can have a rooster. Cows are allowed to Moo, Goats
are allowed to Baa, Dogs are allowed to Bark, Roosters can crow. Tell
your neighbors to get lost and let them have a fit. Almost all courts
favor the AG owner on this topic. Unless you are living in a residential
area you are breaking the law for just having any farm animals (Hens).

Enjoy Life ... Dan

--
Email "dan lehr at comcast dot net". Text only or goes to trash automatically.

On Jul 15, 11:35 am, "Dan L." wrote:

If you can have hens, you can have roosters. If your land is rated AG
for agriculture - you can have a rooster. Cows are allowed to Moo, Goats
are allowed to Baa, Dogs are allowed to Bark, Roosters can crow. Tell
your neighbors to get lost and let them have a fit.

....tells me a lot about Dan.
Ann seems to be considerate in not having a rooster -- something that
is foreign to some here.
I live in the boonies for many reasons, principal among them is to be
far from inconsiderate noise producing knuckle-draggers.
I also bother nobody when I play VERY loud classical music on
occasion.

Da Svadanya, Ann

oz

In article
,
MajorOz wrote:

On Jul 15, 11:35 am, "Dan L." wrote:

If you can have hens, you can have roosters. If your land is rated AG
for agriculture - you can have a rooster. Cows are allowed to Moo, Goats
are allowed to Baa, Dogs are allowed to Bark, Roosters can crow. Tell
your neighbors to get lost and let them have a fit.

...tells me a lot about Dan.
Ann seems to be considerate in not having a rooster -- something that
is foreign to some here.
I live in the boonies for many reasons, principal among them is to be
far from inconsiderate noise producing knuckle-draggers.
I also bother nobody when I play VERY loud classical music on
occasion.

Da Svadanya, Ann

oz

Hmmmm ....

I also live in the boonies, for the same reasons!
Except - I play VERY loud alternative music ... on occasion.

I am very considerate. That is why I moved to the boonies a long time
ago also. Sometimes one has to stand up to those that tell others on how
to live their lives - I am not one of them. I tell others to stand up
for their lives - I just move and avoid confrontation. Is there a
paradox in the those statements

I love the boonies - No lawn cutting laws, no amateur radio antenna
restrictions, I can have a stinky compost pile, I can have farm animals,
no noise restrictions, no police department, no fire department and no
.... hospitals ... uh oh.

Enjoy Life ... Dan

--
Garden in Zone 5 South East Michigan.