I've noticed tiny pin holes in the leaves of my bell peppers, egg
plants, ground cherries and cantaloupe. My neighbor told me that he
uses a product called Sevin that comes in a spray bottle ready to use.
Said he's been using it for years and it works quite well for him. I
guess my question is: would this be a good general purpose insecticide
for use in my vegetable garden?

Rich from PA

EVP MAN wrote:
I've noticed tiny pin holes in the leaves of my bell peppers, egg
plants, ground cherries and cantaloupe. My neighbor told me that he
uses a product called Sevin that comes in a spray bottle ready to use.
Said he's been using it for years and it works quite well for him. I
guess my question is: would this be a good general purpose insecticide
for use in my vegetable garden?

Rich from PA


Sevin is the trade name of an insecticide called carbaryl. It is toxic
to mammals, though the feds say of relatively low toxicity. It is an
acetylcholinesterase inhibitor, but is broken down quickly in mammals.
It is *extremely* toxic to bees, and I think, fish IIRC. It remains one
of the most widely used insecticides in American farming, but has been
used much less in recent years by home gardeners. I suggest you do a
search for "tiny holes in leaves of vegetable plants" and assimilate
whatever advice you see in your search. There may be several effective
ways of eliminating the problem with natural compounds. A safer, much
less toxic chemical alternative (note I did not say it's "non-toxic") is
gamma cyhalothrin, sold under the names "Spectracide", "Triazicide" and
others. Frankly, it's not super effective, but it helps, and is safer
in the long run than carbaryl. But at least check out natural controls
first. I can't say specifically which ones, because the tiny holes in
your leaves could be from a variety of different causes.

Tony M.

Thank you for the advice Tony. I'll do that search and try to find an
alternative method of eliminating the insects. I saw a few of them on
my plants. They are as small as a flea or gnat and when you touch one
with your finger, they fly away. I sure don't want to use any chemical
that will harm the bees. Our local bee population is in big trouble as
it is. By the way Tony, did you ever hear about mixing a little dish
detergent with water and using it as a bug spray? I just wonder if it
would work or not? Sure would be less toxic than some of the other
chemicals I would think.

Rich

Tony wrote:
EVP MAN wrote:
I've noticed tiny pin holes in the leaves of my bell peppers, egg
plants, ground cherries and cantaloupe. My neighbor told me that he
uses a product called Sevin that comes in a spray bottle ready to use.
Said he's been using it for years and it works quite well for him. I
guess my question is: would this be a good general purpose insecticide
for use in my vegetable garden?

Rich from PA


Sevin is the trade name of an insecticide called carbaryl. It is toxic
to mammals, though the feds say of relatively low toxicity. It is an
acetylcholinesterase inhibitor, but is broken down quickly in mammals.
It is *extremely* toxic to bees, and I think, fish IIRC. It remains one
of the most widely used insecticides in American farming, but has been
used much less in recent years by home gardeners.


It was widely used against fleas in it's powdered form. From my
observations fleas (at least here) are completely resistant to Sevin and
I would imagine other insects as well. Such is the way with overused
insecticides.

Jeff


I suggest you do a
search for "tiny holes in leaves of vegetable plants" and assimilate
whatever advice you see in your search. There may be several effective
ways of eliminating the problem with natural compounds. A safer, much
less toxic chemical alternative (note I did not say it's "non-toxic") is
gamma cyhalothrin, sold under the names "Spectracide", "Triazicide" and
others. Frankly, it's not super effective, but it helps, and is safer
in the long run than carbaryl. But at least check out natural controls
first. I can't say specifically which ones, because the tiny holes in
your leaves could be from a variety of different causes.

Tony M.

"EVP MAN" wrote in message
...

I've noticed tiny pin holes in the leaves of my bell peppers, egg
plants, ground cherries and cantaloupe. My neighbor told me that he
uses a product called Sevin that comes in a spray bottle ready to use.
Said he's been using it for years and it works quite well for him. I
guess my question is: would this be a good general purpose insecticide
for use in my vegetable garden?


I just posted about Spinosad. It's a bacterium that works by killing the
insects in the pupal stage when they feed on the plants. It is supposed be
be very effective. I'll know soon if it fixes my leaf miner problem. It is
toxic to bees but only when wet. Once dry it is supposed to be mostly
harlmess to them. I sprayed at dusk after any bees had left so by morning
the stuff was dry. It spares beneficial insects that do not feed on the
plants such as spiders and praying mantii.

In article ,
(EVP MAN) wrote:

I've noticed tiny pin holes in the leaves of my bell peppers, egg
plants, ground cherries and cantaloupe. My neighbor told me that he
uses a product called Sevin that comes in a spray bottle ready to use.
Said he's been using it for years and it works quite well for him. I
guess my question is: would this be a good general purpose insecticide
for use in my vegetable garden?

Rich from PA


http://www.helpfulgardener.com/phpBB...pic.php?t=1595
"We do know that carbaryl is quite toxic to honey bees, certain
beneficial insects such as lady beetles, and parasitic wasps and bees,
certain species of aquatic insects, and some forms of shellfish such as
shrimp and crabs. Care must be taken when using carbaryl in areas where
these organisms exist."

http://www.safe2use.com/poisons-pest...sevin-carbaryl
-old.htm
SEVIN (Carbaryl): A CONTROVERSIAL INSECTICIDE
by
Winand K. Hock
Extension Pesticide Specialist
Penn State University
If you can believe the headlines which appeared in newspapers from the
Delaware Valley and New Jersey last spring, the manufacturers of
carbaryl (Sevin) must have developed and released to the public a
'chemical black death' which will make Love Canal, DDT, PCB's, and
Kepone in the Chesapeake Bay seem rather insignificant.
One Canadian environmental organization in a letter addressed to local
citizens cites some of the 'documented' effects of carbaryl.
1. It causes birth defects in mammals, especially dogs.
2. It worsens the condition of people with hypertension and people on
anti-depressant drugs.
3. It impairs the function of the pituitary gland, the thyroid gland,
and the reproductive system.
4. It causes hyperactivity and learning disabilities in mammals.
5. It could increase the chance of heart attack in people with weak
hearts.
6. The main break-down product, nitrosocarbaryl, which is easily
created in the human gut, is a potent cancer-causing agent.
7. It causes irreversible chromosomal damage to human DNA (the genes
in our cells).
----

You might expect some "blow-back", if you have any neighbors with
vegetable gardens.
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html

In article ,
(EVP MAN) wrote:

Thank you for the advice Tony. I'll do that search and try to find an
alternative method of eliminating the insects. I saw a few of them on
my plants. They are as small as a flea or gnat and when you touch one
with your finger, they fly away. I sure don't want to use any chemical
that will harm the bees. Our local bee population is in big trouble as
it is. By the way Tony, did you ever hear about mixing a little dish
detergent with water and using it as a bug spray? I just wonder if it
would work or not? Sure would be less toxic than some of the other
chemicals I would think.

Rich

In general, you're better off using soap instead of detergent, Ivory,
Castile, Dr. Bonners are examples. The insecticidal soaps are pure
soaps, that come with directions for use.

Try some on a small portion of your "target" plant to see if the plant
reacts. Sometimes it will burn the leaves. Always give the plant time to
react before spraying more.
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html

EVP MAN wrote:
I've noticed tiny pin holes in the leaves of my bell peppers, egg
plants, ground cherries and cantaloupe. My neighbor told me that he
uses a product called Sevin that comes in a spray bottle ready to use.
Said he's been using it for years and it works quite well for him. I
guess my question is: would this be a good general purpose insecticide
for use in my vegetable garden?

Rich from PA



Sevin is good, but don't use it when there are any bees around --
and I mean ANY bees. (Sevin gets on a few worker bees and it will
kill the whole hive)

Bob

In article ,
Jeff Thies wrote:

Tony wrote:
EVP MAN wrote:
I've noticed tiny pin holes in the leaves of my bell peppers, egg
plants, ground cherries and cantaloupe. My neighbor told me that he
uses a product called Sevin that comes in a spray bottle ready to use.
Said he's been using it for years and it works quite well for him. I
guess my question is: would this be a good general purpose insecticide
for use in my vegetable garden?

Rich from PA


Sevin is the trade name of an insecticide called carbaryl. It is toxic
to mammals, though the feds say of relatively low toxicity. It is an
acetylcholinesterase inhibitor, but is broken down quickly in mammals.
It is *extremely* toxic to bees, and I think, fish IIRC. It remains one
of the most widely used insecticides in American farming, but has been
used much less in recent years by home gardeners.


It was widely used against fleas in it's powdered form. From my
observations fleas (at least here) are completely resistant to Sevin and
I would imagine other insects as well. Such is the way with overused
insecticides.

Jeff


I suggest you do a
search for "tiny holes in leaves of vegetable plants" and assimilate
whatever advice you see in your search. There may be several effective
ways of eliminating the problem with natural compounds. A safer, much
less toxic chemical alternative (note I did not say it's "non-toxic") is
gamma cyhalothrin, sold under the names "Spectracide", "Triazicide" and
others. Frankly, it's not super effective, but it helps, and is safer
in the long run than carbaryl. But at least check out natural controls
first. I can't say specifically which ones, because the tiny holes in
your leaves could be from a variety of different causes.

Tony M.


We should not forget

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhopal_disaster

--
Bill S. Jersey USA zone 5 shade garden
What use one more wake up call?

(EVP MAN) wrote:

did you ever hear about mixing a little dish
detergent with water and using it as a bug spray?

Not detergent, use soap. An ounce of Murphy's Oil Soap to a gallon of
water sprayed on plants and on the soil makes a good insect deterent.

EVP MAN wrote:
Thank you for the advice Tony. I'll do that search and try to find an
alternative method of eliminating the insects. I saw a few of them on
my plants. They are as small as a flea or gnat and when you touch one
with your finger, they fly away. I sure don't want to use any chemical
that will harm the bees. Our local bee population is in big trouble as
it is. By the way Tony, did you ever hear about mixing a little dish
detergent with water and using it as a bug spray? I just wonder if it
would work or not? Sure would be less toxic than some of the other
chemicals I would think.

Rich

Mixing the dish liquid with water makes an excellent *carrier* for any
pesticide you want to stay on the leaves (some people claim good luck
using merely tabasco sauce in the water/dish liquid mix), but I don't
think the dish liquid is terribly effective by itself.

Tony M.

In article ,
zxcvbob wrote:

EVP MAN wrote:
I've noticed tiny pin holes in the leaves of my bell peppers, egg
plants, ground cherries and cantaloupe. My neighbor told me that he
uses a product called Sevin that comes in a spray bottle ready to use.
Said he's been using it for years and it works quite well for him. I
guess my question is: would this be a good general purpose insecticide
for use in my vegetable garden?

Rich from PA



Sevin is good, but don't use it when there are any bees around --
and I mean ANY bees. (Sevin gets on a few worker bees and it will
kill the whole hive)

Bob

I like ladybugs better, you can put a floating row cover over the plants
and add a pint of lady bugs - no more insects. After 3 or 4 days you can
pull the cover and the lady bugs will spread out looking for more pests.
Put a ladybug house out in the early fall and they will overwinter in it.

Doug

In article ,
Bill who putters wrote:

In article ,
Jeff Thies wrote:

Tony wrote:
EVP MAN wrote:
I've noticed tiny pin holes in the leaves of my bell peppers, egg
plants, ground cherries and cantaloupe. My neighbor told me that he
uses a product called Sevin that comes in a spray bottle ready to use.
Said he's been using it for years and it works quite well for him. I
guess my question is: would this be a good general purpose insecticide
for use in my vegetable garden?

Rich from PA


Sevin is the trade name of an insecticide called carbaryl. It is toxic
to mammals, though the feds say of relatively low toxicity. It is an
acetylcholinesterase inhibitor, but is broken down quickly in mammals.
It is *extremely* toxic to bees, and I think, fish IIRC. It remains one
of the most widely used insecticides in American farming, but has been
used much less in recent years by home gardeners.


It was widely used against fleas in it's powdered form. From my
observations fleas (at least here) are completely resistant to Sevin and
I would imagine other insects as well. Such is the way with overused
insecticides.

Jeff


I suggest you do a
search for "tiny holes in leaves of vegetable plants" and assimilate
whatever advice you see in your search. There may be several effective
ways of eliminating the problem with natural compounds. A safer, much
less toxic chemical alternative (note I did not say it's "non-toxic") is
gamma cyhalothrin, sold under the names "Spectracide", "Triazicide" and
others. Frankly, it's not super effective, but it helps, and is safer
in the long run than carbaryl. But at least check out natural controls
first. I can't say specifically which ones, because the tiny holes in
your leaves could be from a variety of different causes.

Tony M.


We should not forget

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhopal_disaster

A timely connection Bill, thank you.
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html

In article ,
zxcvbob wrote:

EVP MAN wrote:
I've noticed tiny pin holes in the leaves of my bell peppers, egg
plants, ground cherries and cantaloupe. My neighbor told me that he
uses a product called Sevin that comes in a spray bottle ready to use.
Said he's been using it for years and it works quite well for him. I
guess my question is: would this be a good general purpose insecticide
for use in my vegetable garden?

Rich from PA



Sevin is good, but don't use it when there are any bees around --
and I mean ANY bees. (Sevin gets on a few worker bees and it will
kill the whole hive)

Bob

It's basically a nerve gas (acetylcholinesterase) in diluted, powdered
form.
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html

In article ,
Doug Houseman wrote:

In article ,
zxcvbob wrote:

EVP MAN wrote:
I've noticed tiny pin holes in the leaves of my bell peppers, egg
plants, ground cherries and cantaloupe. My neighbor told me that he
uses a product called Sevin that comes in a spray bottle ready to use.
Said he's been using it for years and it works quite well for him. I
guess my question is: would this be a good general purpose insecticide
for use in my vegetable garden?

Rich from PA



Sevin is good, but don't use it when there are any bees around --
and I mean ANY bees. (Sevin gets on a few worker bees and it will
kill the whole hive)

Bob

I like ladybugs better, you can put a floating row cover over the plants
and add a pint of lady bugs - no more insects. After 3 or 4 days you can
pull the cover and the lady bugs will spread out looking for more pests.
Put a ladybug house out in the early fall and they will overwinter in it.

Doug

An excellent solution :O)
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html